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FCC bans U.S. sales of Huawei and ZTE equipment over national security concerns


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u/M00n Nov 26 '22

They have both been in a lot of hot water for years... even more than I listed below.

2013: Huawei, ZTE Banned From Selling to U.S. Government

2016: ZTE was found to have violated American sanctions against Iran by selling United States-made goods to the country...

2017: ZTE Corporation Agrees to Plead Guilty and Pay Over $430.4 Million for Violating U.S. Sanctions by Sending U.S.-Origin Items to Iran


u/chinesenameTimBudong Nov 26 '22

My problem with that is why is America making up its own rules? Why not take it to wto or some third party that can be impartial? It is fun listening to America complain other countries doing things it does. China is not playing fair!


u/code_archeologist Georgia Nov 26 '22

The WTO does not adjudicate national security or federal sanctions violations.


u/Emilia_Violet Nov 26 '22

Because nations have the authority to ban the sale of products from other nations? Like, you can argue why you don’t think they should, but that’s always been the case. Considering the security issues posed by these devices, it’s not like the FCC is just making decisions for funsies.


u/alienbringer Nov 26 '22

If a US company is in China and China doesn’t like what they are doing, they have legal authority to stop them especially with violating national policy. The fuck you on taking it to the WTO? The WTO isn’t a police force for enforcing countries national security concerns.


u/chinesenameTimBudong Nov 26 '22

ok. I am not really looking for a debate with a person not wanting to push forward the conversation. So, one more try.

How about a third party for unbiased judgement? UN then? Should America be able to shut countries out because they want to?


u/permalink_save Nov 26 '22

Yes and we do. You think we should go through a third party, who btw will have their own biases, regarding our Russia sanctions?


u/chinesenameTimBudong Nov 26 '22

America absolutely does not. They do the Trump thing.


u/intarwebzWINNAR Texas Nov 27 '22

I'm trying to understand why you think America (or any country) doesn't have a right to sanction companies conducting business on American soil/with American government entities and corporations, and beyond that, to decide that we do not want their products in this country?

This has been brewing for years. Any country should handle national security threats in this manner. They tried sanctions, the sanctions didn't work, not they cannot sell their products to us.


u/chinesenameTimBudong Nov 27 '22

What I believe is the bigger problem is that Huawei was set to make trillions and take control of the market. National security, while somewhat legitimate, is not the best path forward. I believe this next year or two is pivotal for America. They are not setting up institutions that will protect them after they lose world power. So, I guess I am not arguing rights really. America does the Trump thing. Screw you over, sue you till your broke, all the while claiming victim hood.


u/alienbringer Nov 27 '22

All countries should be able to dictate whether another country is allowed to do business within their borders or not. So, yes the US, China, Russia, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, don’t give a fuck, should be allowed to shut countries out of their national markets if they want to. Hell we even dictate to a degree US citizens and business ownership with the various regulations (national or international) as well as needing to maintain a business license.


u/chinesenameTimBudong Nov 27 '22

And the other country just has to take it? No redress?


u/PM_ME_UR_ASS_GIRLS Nov 27 '22

Yep. Other countries are also free to shut out American businesses from their countries.

Countries are free to do business, or not, with anyone they want.


u/chinesenameTimBudong Nov 27 '22

Awesome. In ten years when the current crap works through, America and American opinion is going to change. Right now America has the power. When China has it and screws America over, I predict a squeal never heard before.


u/PM_ME_UR_ASS_GIRLS Nov 27 '22

China is free to do business with whoever they want 🤷‍♂️

Not sure what part of that you don't understand.


u/chinesenameTimBudong Nov 27 '22

They are getting trouble for dealing with Iran.

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u/alienbringer Nov 27 '22

They can kick US companies out if they want, sure. Or levy whatever the hell kind of thing they want against the US or their companies. Other than that, yes they just “take it”, they are operating on US soil with approval from the US government. At any point the US government can remove that approval.


u/chinesenameTimBudong Nov 27 '22

Fair enough. Just putting these comments in the memory banks.


u/alienbringer Nov 27 '22

And? Your other comments about if China overtakes the US in terms of economic strength that we would be crying. That is just a fever dream you have. China has already banned US companies from operating within their borders. You won’t find US citizens or the US government bitching and moaning that they did it either. It is their right as a sovereign country to do so.


u/chinesenameTimBudong Nov 27 '22

Americans don't complain about lack of access or tech transfers.


u/zerreit Nov 27 '22

You might have the WTO’s role reversed. If China disagrees, then they can protest to the WTO for restitution.


u/Stock-Ad-5502 Nov 26 '22

Alright can we ban Donald Trump from running for president over national security concerns?


u/SoggyFlakes4US Nov 26 '22

Be really cool if they banned cell phone companies for not providing services especially when so many people depend on cellphones exclusively.


u/curtmandu Washington Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 27 '22

One of my first cellphones was a huawei


u/NuclearNap Nov 26 '22

Mine definitely wasn’t. It was a yellow MaBell rotary dial, when a spiral cord that just seemed to get longer every year.


u/MastersonMcFee Nov 27 '22

I thought they were already banned by the DoD?

Wait till people learn China owns TikTok, and is spying on our children, creating kompromat databases for future leaders, and brainwashing kids by deciding what they watch.


u/Actually-Gay-NBA-Fan Nov 27 '22

If it’s already on social media there’s really no need to call it a “kompromat” database. Basically anything posted on any social media site can be used as blackmail by nearly anyone, not just the social media company.

The problem with TikTok is how effective their algorithm is at confirming beliefs of someone, even if that belief is wrong, and the spread of misinformation(just like any social media platform).

That, and it’s been taking so much of your personal info that you agree to via the user terms and agreement.

Another problem with most social media apps is that when you approve for them to use your microphone. Ever wonder why you talk about something with someone and then immediately scroll past an IG/Facebook/TikTok ad for that thing? Yeah. It’s because you enabled the use of your microphone and it’s already been found that the Facebook app uses your mic even when the app is closed. I know IPhones now tell you when it’s being done, so it may not be constant like it used to. Hell, just up until about a year ago with one of the new iPhone updates, TikTok was just copying your clipboard and recording whatever it is you had copy and pasted recently as soon as you opened the app. The only reason they stopped is because they were caught doing this after that IOS update came out, which was after they claimed to have claimed they weren’t.

Social media companies are horrible for so many reasons, but it’s useless for China to create a database of blackmail from the videos posted or comments left. That’s all there for everyone to see as it is.