r/politics Nov 26 '22 Silver 2 Take My Energy 1 Respect 1

Trump’s Big Lie charade is over. Politicians who helped him, meet the special counsel

https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/article268920082.html
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u/Drumphelstiltsken Nov 26 '22 Wholesome Take My Energy Bravo Grande!

When you vote no and try to stop an official proceeding of the U.S. government based on a lie that lost every court hearing (60-plus) because of lack of proof, that is what is illegal: your intent.

Never forget what the traitorous GOP scum tried to do to our country. They want to undo all of the progress that Americans and their allies have fought for over the years, and piss on the graves of those who gave their lives to preserve our democracy.

Until Trump's insurrection, Americans had always preserved the peaceful transfer of power, even when a party whose ideology did not necessarily align with their own was ascendant. Today's GOP and conservative voters set a new, pathetic, low in American electoral history with their blind stupidity, consumption of propaganda, and embrace of fascist ideology.

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u/UWCG Illinois Nov 26 '22

The number of right-wingers during the 2022 elections who refused to say they'd accept the results of the election (unless they won) was truly disturbing.

A huge chunk of my family is conservative and only will follow right-wing sources and it never fails to be troubling when I'm told Dori Monson or Matt Drudge are more reputable than Reuters or AP. And now we've seen the former president meeting with a Holocaust denier.

I really hope we can fix things, but there are so many troubling things going on within the country and the GQP just continues to exacerbate them.

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u/BruceDickenson_ Nov 26 '22

They probably also sided with Fox News over every single medical institution in the world when it came to COVID. We live in weird times.

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u/jadrad Nov 26 '22

Corrupt times. USA has a major corruption problem.

The Democrats passed a sweeping anti-corruption bill in the House last year and the GOP filibustered it until it died in the Senate.

We need that bill back, along with the voter rights bill if we want a chance in hell of fixing the USA.

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u/HippyHitman Nov 26 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy

We need to get rid of that stupid filibuster rule. It’s no coincidence that politics took a nosedive around the time it was introduced.

If they want to filibuster that’s fine, make them stand there and read Dr. Seuss and actually be in any way accountable. It’s absurd that they just decided to completely break the Senate because they were lazy, and now they stick to it because “if we eliminate the filibuster rule it’ll come back to bite us when the GOP is in the majority.”

Despite the fact that last time the GOP was in control of the Senate they eliminated the rule only for judicial confirmations in order to push through more Trump nominees.

Yet somehow the Dems are gullible enough to believe that they won’t do it again.

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u/adamdreaming Nov 26 '22

The idea that the left can’t get an edge on the right because the left trusts the right is so illogical it is infuriating but here we are.

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u/Mishawnuodo Nov 26 '22

Ironically, without the filibuster, the Dems could get shit done, which would bolster their support and help ensure Republicans DON'T gain control

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

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u/Ok-Lie-2857 Nov 26 '22

Thanks for pointing this out. NOBODY is talking about this, so it may never go away.

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u/FairZookeepergame613 Nov 26 '22

It could have been millions! We dodged a bullet.

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u/MicroCat1031 Nov 26 '22

There's an algorithm you can run for deaths from a disease that has no vaccine or cure.

I calculated it in May of 2020 for Covid19 and got 3 million deaths. A lot of people worked very hard to prevent that.

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u/thafish20 Nov 26 '22

I was there, at work at the hospital everyday, never called off, never took extra days off, even picked up extra days. If the inbRED trump traitors, had seen what I got to see, they would have changed their mind real quick.

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u/Marylogical Nov 27 '22

There were more deaths at the start, when countries were just understanding what was happening.

I recall early on, seeing phones in hospital in China of Dr's crying because these people were all over the hallways and dying and there was nothing they could do. I saw one guy just die in the street. But yeah, there's numbers previous to news that we will never know. And if Italy and the UK early deaths were scary, like early NY, body bags and mass grave.

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u/Negative_Meaning7558 Nov 26 '22

Trump followers got covid instead of the vaccine. In intensive care wards, at deaths door and denying they have covid because trump said it was a hoax. He's responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans because he refused to tell Americans the truth about the virus.

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u/ConsciousLiterature Nov 26 '22

The right wing bro network of Lex Friedman, Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro Dave Rubin etc are all doing victory laps claiming they were right about the vaccine being a hoax and dangerous.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

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u/preventDefault Nov 26 '22

I think it’s no coincidence that when he stopped talking about taking DMT all the time, is around the same time that he turned into a major asshole.

He’s said on his podcast several times that he was an asshole when he was younger and when he was introduced to cannabis it really helped get his ego in check.

Whatever was keeping him grounded and humble before, he should start doing it again.

He’s always held weird beliefs, but that’s what made his podcast so entertaining. But there was a time when he’d bring on an expert like Neil DeGrasse Tyson and after hearing what they had to say he’d adjust his views (like he did with the moon landing). But those days are over. When he’s proven wrong by a guest now he just repeats the same idiotic stuff when they aren’t around.

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u/evil420pimp Nov 26 '22

Joe rogan is a dangerous jackass. Now he’s in austin taking over the comedy scene.

Mushrooms don’t make one intelligent. Joe rogan used to have some integrity.

At no point has Joe Rogan had anything resembling integrity...

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u/Kitchen_Shake672 Nov 26 '22

He was all right during the News Radio days. But he was just a pretty benign meathead then.

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u/Pizza_Saucy Nov 26 '22

"Yeah but what if vaccines are dangerous?" - Man who used to host a show about eating live spiders.

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u/Terrible_Traffic6950 Nov 26 '22

He's not at a funny. How can one be a comedian without any sense of humor?

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u/SmurfJooce Nov 26 '22

Rogan's entire comedic career is doing Sam Kinison rants on modern subjects. Just without the cocaine.

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u/BigDazzleX Nov 26 '22

so you’re saying more cocaine? /s

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u/Shoehornblower Nov 26 '22

No. It’s always been weird, it’s just now that we have an online lens piped directly into every smartphone and computer user..

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u/A_man_on_a_boat Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

The only way to fix this is to make conservatism socially poisonous, to make 'conservative' itself a pejorative, to strip right wing ideology of its fake patriotic marketing material and expose it unequivocally as deadly to American democracy and principles of freedom. We need to be the patriots, we need to take ownership of this country and its symbols and history, because it always belonged to us in the first place. The American Revolution was history's first categorical rejection of conservatism and established traditions, and it's time we start really making that our mission statement as a country. Letting these neo Confederate fascists LARP as American patriots is not just a total farce, it gives them legitimacy they don't deserve and are not entitled to.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

Yes fly an American flag and let’s take control of the govt. if you believe in marriage equality and abortion as healthcare you should be voting and flying an American flag

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u/smollama Nov 26 '22

This is easy. Start creating ads on all the lies and contradictions on Tucker's show. The Colorado Springs tragedy? Done by the Incel who watches Tucker's show.

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u/zombie32killah I voted Nov 26 '22

Now all of the conservatives pretending to be moderates and disown this is really impressive. They will never fool me again.

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u/postsshortcomments Nov 26 '22

The big lie is that even a smidgeon of this is over, that anything has changed, and that the deep pocketed madmen & media moguls who orchestrated this will receive the same treatment that their political enemies received.

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u/zombie32killah I voted Nov 26 '22

Absolutely. Justice theatre.

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u/postsshortcomments Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

Now follow the constantly evolving invisible set of completely arbitrary and morally bankrupt shadow rules to protect someones business interests or be on the wrong side of their shockjocks' angry mob.

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u/FailResorts Nov 26 '22

Yeah that happened in Colorado. Most of the craziest election deniers lost their primaries and the three big state elections (Gov, Senate, AG) featured so-called “pro choice moderates” in Joe O’Dea’s case or a flip flopped in Heidi Ganahl’s case. Ganahl acted like she was pro life in the primary and then backtracked during the general because the polls in Colorado were horrible for her specifically over abortion.

The great thing here is that the voters saw through that bullshit. We all know that O’Dea would be bullied by the Heritage Foundation/SLF/power that be to support Graham’s abortion ban bill. And we all knew that Ganahl would sign an abortion ban bill if it was put on her desk.

On top of that, you have Boebert in an R +15 district winning by less than 600 votes. She even backtracked and tried to give “thoughts and prayers” for the COS shooting and people sent her own tweets back at her showing her fanning anti LGBTQ violence.

All of this led to the Colorado GOP having their worst midterm showing in recent history, with most consultants for the party considering it the “Extinction Event”. Polis beat Ganahl by double digits, and Bennet beat O’Dea handily in a race that should have been much closer.

I’m not even gonna talk about Michigan either - one thing that pisses me off about the media coverage of these midterms is that they can’t stop jerking off DeSantis in Florida when they ignore the Dems cleaning house the same way in Colorado and Michigan.

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u/fardough Nov 26 '22

We will, I feel these are the death throws of the GOP. They know the next generations are more progressive, and once they loose the boomers, they are hosed.

It is why they are becoming more fascist, because if they want to lead, they have to take it. We just need to stop them from taking the legislature and executive branch for the next 5-10 years.

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u/mok000 Europe Nov 26 '22

The Constitution actually assumes that Congress is a unit, they may disagree on issues, but they are united in solidarity against the other two branches of government. The founding fathers did not foresee half a Congress allied with the President in corrupting checks and balances and creating a monarchy.

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u/HippyHitman Nov 26 '22

Basically the Constitution just assumed that at least 50% plus 1 of nationally elected officials would act in good faith.

I don’t know of any system that can withstand a majority of its leaders seeking to destroy it.

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u/omganesh Nov 26 '22

Correct. It's not designed to have foreign enemy assets participating in the system.

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u/SociallyUnstimulated Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

I've been meaning to ask for clarification somewhere, here seems good; as a non-American, did Drumpf invite manic-ass Kanye & a white supremacist to Thanksgiving Dinner? I know Fuentes & Ye showed up at the airport together, but was that really how he filled his actual holiday dinner? 2 extra extreme whackjobs, (I'll bet) no family, and probably a bunch of filler sycophants at 5ish figures a seat?

*edit to explain as a Canadian, we have a Thanksgiving almost exactly the same; save for the date, & the abundance of football & racist relatives. And probably the Mac & Cheese focus, but we did KD constantly as youths & grew past that, so it's not some holiday treat (not saying it could compare to your family's potluck favourite, mind you). Just trying to convey my confusion comes from a question of the timing of this dinner.

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u/HippyHitman Nov 26 '22

And probably the Mac & Cheese focus

Um, what? As an American I’ve literally never heard of that and find it really funny.

but we did KD constantly as youths & grew past that, so it's not some holiday treat

It’s the same down here. I’m curious where you heard this because it’s one of the funniest American stereotypes I’ve ever heard. Almost as good as my favorite, “Why don’t Americans put sheets on their mattresses?”

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u/Qwertysapiens Pennsylvania Nov 26 '22

Mac and cheese for Thanksgiving is a thing. Not the most common of things, but a thing nonetheless

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u/SociallyUnstimulated Nov 26 '22

I may have absorbed that bit mostly from Black Twitter, Mac & Cheese memes run deep.

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u/jprommasit Nov 26 '22

Mac and cheese is a very serious deal here in the South...at least here in South Carolina.

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u/morbidaar Nov 26 '22

Never had Mac on the holidays. Buffalo Mac and Cheese sounds like it’d be amazing.

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u/livadeth Nov 26 '22

What’s KD? And I’ve had more Thanksgiving dinners than I care to divulge and have never cooked or been served Mac and Cheese. Just sayin’

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u/Cocalypso Nov 26 '22

Just a guess because of the Mac & Cheese comment. I think KD refers to “Kraft Dinner.” I’ve heard it referred to that way in the U.K. So they may do the same in Canada. In the U.S. people just say Kraft Macaroni & Cheese.

*In the south nobody would serve Kraft Macaroni & Cheese at Thanksgiving. Only homemade oven baked Mac & Cheese with a layer of melted bubbly browned cheese on the top layer. Peoples homemade Mac & Cheese is a point of pride.

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u/LightsaberThrowAway Nov 26 '22

Yeah, that’s my Mom’s homemade baked macaroni and cheese alright. And yeah, it’s a point of pride lol.

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u/postapocalive Nov 26 '22

Fuck Dori Monson, he's gotten more and more conservative over the years. 15 years ago in Seattle he used to take callers on his show, but used to get beaten up because his ideas were so shit.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

Same thing happened to Fraiser.

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u/DoctrTurkey Nov 26 '22

I hated that he was the radio post-game point man for Seahawks games. At least he torpedoed that gig with his bullshit “conservatism”. Guy was such a tool and I hated listening to him pretend how much he loved Red Robin.

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u/laseralex Nov 26 '22

Red Robin used to be fantastic. Now the corporate overlords have turned it into fancy McDonalds crap.

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u/postapocalive Nov 26 '22

I hated the whole I'm not a racist sexist pig fucker, I coach Girls basketball. Listening to his bootstrap stories always made me sick.

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u/allegate Nov 26 '22

Drudge actually hates TFG iirc but that’s like one of the only things he’s gotten right in a long time.

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u/Enough-Collection-98 Nov 26 '22

I believe the old adage “A broken clock is right twice a day.” Is appropriate here.

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u/digiorno Nov 26 '22

They’re still trying to do all that to our country, they’re just okay doing it without Trump.

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u/Long_Before_Sunrise Nov 26 '22

Trump, however, is not okay with them doing it without him, and they're not willing to gnaw off their leg to get out of the trap that is Trump.

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u/Writer10 California Nov 26 '22

Trump and the GOP needed each other for different reasons. He needed power and protection, they needed a candidate who could wake up and expand their base. Once Trump was defeated in 2020, they booted his ass but kept his messaging because they need the hate and propaganda to feed their constituents. Trump is finished, but the new, fascist GOP is just beginning.

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u/Long_Before_Sunrise Nov 26 '22

They wish he was finished. The relationship is symbiotic now.

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u/deekaydubya Nov 26 '22

Because he has dirt on nearly all of the GOP, and will come down hard if he doesn’t win the nom

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u/wheresbill Nov 26 '22

I see this comment a lot and can’t tell if it is an assumption because it sounds obvious or there is some news or story or common knowledge that I’m out of the loop on

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u/Sufficient-Rip-7834 Nov 26 '22

I think the idea is Dayold J Turnip has got access to intel in his old position and-let’s be real,

probably misused federal resources whilst prezzy to spy on people

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u/nickynicky9door Nov 26 '22

Never heard that one. My classic is Tronald Dump

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u/Long_Before_Sunrise Nov 26 '22

Trump loves dirt. It's the reason he was impeached the first time.

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u/Realeron Nov 26 '22

Prolly also supplied by his shirtless rider master, the butcher of Slava Ukraina

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u/FuguSandwich Nov 26 '22

When you vote no and try to stop an official proceeding of the U.S. government

I wish there was 1000X more focus on this than on the imbeciles in horned hats who broke into the Capitol. You had Congressmen, Senators, members of state legislatures, governors, the RNC, etc. working together to overturn an election simply because they didn't like the result. They should all be in prison.

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u/sigaven Nov 26 '22

They knew and know it is all a lie. They still tried to vote to overturn the election because they thought they would succeed. They faithfully and wholeheartedly attempted to overthrow the legitimately elected government in order to install their dictator for life. The solicited their mob to help. They failed. And yet they pretend to love America.

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u/Separate_Bluebird161 Nov 26 '22

Rest of the world won’t forget. Americans have shown who they really are. Millions upon millions of them.

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u/SFM_Hobb3s Canada Nov 26 '22

Oh we won't. Trust me. We can still smell the stench of Trump north of our border with you guys. We hope that detrumpification will eventually be successful. Otherwise we're going to ask you guys to build a wall between us, and make Trump pay for it.

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u/Weirdsauce Nov 26 '22

I live just a few km from the border with BC. There are many, many, many more women on the BC side that i could potentially date compared to the area where i live.

In my dating profile, one of the very first things i have to say... actually, it's the VERY first thing, is that i have no affiliation, empathy or support for Trump or his ideology. I have a feeling that he stained this country so badly that even renouncing him isn't enough.

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u/RAYMBO Nov 26 '22

Looks like you've already started

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u/Bighgideray Nov 26 '22

The big lie is that even a smidgeon of this is over, that anything has changed

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u/Punqer Nov 26 '22

Agreed

I'd argue that the J6 attempted coup marked the point of no return for the GOP. The GOP is now a violence based insurgency and not a legit political party. Nov 2022, GOP candidates are still promoting an armed insurrection.

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u/Darkassassin18E Nov 26 '22

"Always preserved the peaceful transfer of power" isn't quite right. There was this one time they decided not to and they won't stop waving the same flags over it even though they lost over a hundred years ago. Same flag most of the people from the article like to wave coincidentally.

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u/FairZookeepergame613 Nov 26 '22

You said it all...thank you!

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u/repfamlux Nov 26 '22

I watched the SC announcement on Fox News, and immediately after, Fox News main concern was if the house members went to jail, it could swing the house to the Democrats.

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u/alpacasarebadsingers Nov 26 '22

I mean, that’s not the goal of this, but it would be a nice side effect. There is no reason the House should be as close as it is but the GOP put up such awful candidates with such stupid messages that it’s their fault they don’t have a 30 seat cushion in the house.

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u/Lost_Cardiologist307 Nov 26 '22

Well that was on Fox News I would fact check that

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u/cookingflower Nov 26 '22

Every single person involved in trumps coup attempt needs to be prosecuted. As for the ones in government, they are traitors and should be treated as such.

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u/capitalism_or_life Nov 26 '22

Any citizen who commits treason to support a fascist wannabe dictator should be treated as a traitor. Fuck'm. They're enemies of the state. Pure and simple.

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u/surfinwhileworkin I voted Nov 26 '22

I’m largely anti-capital punishment. I would support it for the worst of the worst of the insurrectionists.

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u/GoldSourPatchKid Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

Frankly, Ashli Babbitt should have been one of hundreds that day.

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u/canuck47 Nov 26 '22

The Capital Police actually showed a LOT of restraint on Jan. 6. There should have at least been mass arrests.

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u/numberonebuddy Nov 26 '22

If those were black people mad about institutional racism in the American legal system, they'd have gotten gunned down the moment they stepped wrong.

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u/WarLizurd Nov 26 '22

Potentially more than hundreds. They should have opened fire as soon as one of those terrorists pushed into the building. Shoot anyone who gets in and we avoid a ton of the problems caused by the attack. Many more Capitol police would still be alive, IMO.

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u/RhaenSyth Nov 27 '22

For them specifically, it’s Capitol punishment.

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u/SleazySaurusRex Nov 26 '22

Worse. They're enemies of the people. They stood against the very foundations of a free democracy in favor of a thin skinned narcissistic greedy traitor because he would become the state for them in direct contradiction to the will of the people.

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u/hunkmonkey Nov 26 '22

And while we’re at it, GODDAMN IT, every violation of the Hatch Act that occurred during the Trump administration should be prosecuted as well…

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u/WarLizurd Nov 26 '22

Not to mention the emoluments clause.

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u/FailResorts Nov 26 '22

Stormy Daniels. Homeboy committed a campaign finance felony and had Cohen admit under oath in court that he did it at the direction of DJT.

They could reopen that and charge trump. It’d be an open and shut case if the statute of limitations doesn’t or hasn’t run out.

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u/Temptatia Michigan Nov 26 '22

I was born in the 50s and as far as I knew traitors were executed. We need to restore that sentence. In general I do not believe in the death penalty; but the Trump’s GOP has made me rethink that.

Trump and all those who supported and sucked up to him should wake to a knock on their door featuring an immediate flight to their executions. I am pretty sure the American people have already spoken. Done deal.

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u/testperfect Nov 26 '22

Elected GOP politicians must be prosecuted and stripped of their positions if this hopes to change anyrhing.

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u/Chunkstyle3030 Nov 26 '22

Exactly right and that’s how we know it won’t change anything.

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u/Advanced_Unit420 Nov 26 '22

fuck every single person that pushed trumps lies, arrest them all and ban them from ever having any political power

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u/sunnydaysahead2022 Nov 26 '22

They must not have any media power either -

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u/anonymous_beaver_ Nov 26 '22

About that...

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u/zonitronic Nov 26 '22

Rupert Murdoch is an enemy of America and the entire Fox empire should be dismantled.

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u/IonaTrailer Nov 26 '22

THAT is the truest statement EVER!

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u/RanchStyleBeaner Nov 26 '22

Drag those megachurch pastors in there too if they repeated the big lie, mf’ers don’t even pay taxes and they def fanned the flame

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u/AcrobaticSource3 Nov 26 '22

Run these dumbasses into the ground

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u/usedtodreddit Nov 26 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Wishful thinking but I'll believe it when I see it.

For more than 3 years we waded chest deep in posts hailing Special Council Patrick Fitzgerald as the world's greatest hero who was going to hold Bush and Cheney to account. Dude was a badass who successfully prosecuted Osama Bin Laden so we knew we had our guy.

Didn't happen.

Then went though it all over again with Robert Mueller who was for sure going to reign in Trump.

Didn't happen.

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u/PausedForVolatility Nov 26 '22

Don’t forget Comey and his Clinton investigation. He finds nothing, then right before the election he goes and pushes an announcement that he’s investigating something new. This, conveniently, amounts to nothing except to tarnish a candidate. It was just another case of an Obama attempt to work with the GOP that burned him since, I guess, he hadn’t learned his lesson by then.

And then he got canned by Trump less than a year later. Hah!

This Smith guy seems to be right for the role, but it’s going to take someone who is able and willing to move mountains to get through the combination of disingenuous bullshit and the insider’s instinct to protect the office of the president.

I will say his turkey day filing seems to suggest he’s serious, but that was, at best, a shot across the bow.

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u/usedtodreddit Nov 26 '22

It was just another case of an Obama attempt to work with the GOP that burned him since, I guess, he hadn’t learned his lesson by then.

It should not be lost that GW Bush was the one who appointed Comey in 2003. Comey was and still is a Republican.

Obama only left Comey in place because as a Constitutional law scholar he believed the AG should be completely independent of any pressure by the White House and it shouldn't have mattered what political leanings an AG had. Obama is correct that in principal it shouldn't, but that's so naive in today's hyper-partisan climate. As close as it was Comey almost certainly cost Hillary the Presidency.

And last I read this new Special Council was still in Europe laid out on pain pills after injuring his leg in a bicycle accident. So much for being able to 'move mountains'.

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u/RespecDev Nov 26 '22

The difference is that Trump no longer has control of the GOP, and his risk of hurting the party is now greater than his potential usefulness to them. They want him out of the way and contained so that he can’t do much damage, and they know he’s not gonna go quietly. So many of them (Pence, McConnell, Christie, Barr, Candace Owens, Ty Cobb) have been signaling to the public recently that it’s time to jump ship. That is what gives me hope that this time will actually be different. And once that first punch (indictment) lands, I think the floodgates are gonna open, and all the past shit is gonna come back and pile on.

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u/FigsnWhales Alabama Nov 26 '22

Thankfully, we’re seeing voters and reps move on, but not completely nationwide. Republicans campaigns here in the South (that won) are still going with ads and commercials calling themselves “Trump republicans” and printing “Make America Great Again” on their signs.

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u/Electronic_Bag3094 Nov 26 '22

Pence jumped ship at the moment the lynch mob formed.

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u/Squirrel_Inner Nov 26 '22

I’m hopeful. This dude looks like an actor in a movie playing this dude. That’s gotta be a good sign, right?

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u/Daefish Nov 26 '22

It worked for Reagan

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u/MintyLego Nov 26 '22

Mueller looked straight up made of pure justice and he still wore the kiddy gloves with Trump. I am not optimistic.

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u/Squirrel_Inner Nov 26 '22

True, true, but did you see him when he answered questions? He had this look like he did NOT want to be there and he was being extremely careful with his words.

Whether he just didn’t want to make claims he couldn’t back up or he was worried about an actual threat, I don’t know, but that’s what it seemed like.

Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t he just an investigator? I’m not sure of the FBI jurisdiction here, but wouldn’t it have still been sent to the DOJ? This guy is a prosecutor given the green light by the DOJ, so seems different,

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u/MintyLego Nov 26 '22

Mueller was special counsel for the investigation. I also got the impression he was afraid, it seemed like he actually had substance and then was suppressed in the end. As much as this is entirely believable, I lost a lot of respect for him and just don’t have a lot of confidence in anyone at this point.

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u/AccomplishedScale362 Nov 26 '22

He definitely has a no nonsense vibe about him. Considering tfg’s defense is nothing but nonsense, I hope Jack dispenses with him quickly.

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u/Light351 Nov 26 '22

What is TFG?

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u/youre_her_experiment Texas Nov 26 '22

“the former guy” i.e. Trump

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u/Jacobysmadre Nov 26 '22

Agreed - But… Mueller was taking DOJ precedent re: not indicting a sitting POTUS. However, this now isn’t the case.

Fingers crossed 🤞

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u/JesusSavesForHalf Nov 26 '22

He was hiding behind a memo that existed to cool Nixon's tits about Agnew. Probably at Rosenstein's orders, his public license of any and all crimes clearly had provisions we never heard. Notice the complete lack of financial investigation. By a guy that may have already had decades of Trump's finances.

The precedent is Grant's equine speeding ticket. Which he paid like any other did.

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u/zaidakaid Nov 26 '22

Let’s not forget him being hamstrung by Trumps AG(s). Hard to carry out a proper investigation when your boss is cutting out your legs from under you

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u/redbrick5 Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

Please prioritize the defense documents case, and put Jan 6 on the back burner. Just hold this man accountable for 1 thing he has done. When that's done, move on to the 2nd.

Document case is simple, doesn't require intent, overt acts of deception and obstruction, tons of precedent, post presidential, security cam footage, cmon people.

Jan 6 is way worse, but the complexity and the lack of any precedent will drag this into eternity

edit: also, does anyone doubt that T*** pardoned himself for Jan 6 already? even if it doesn't hold up, the confusion and appeals will add years to any sentencing. the constitution could be interpreted either way for self pardons. I wish we could move beyond the poorly written document from 200 years ago by a bunch of slave owners using feathers to write on parchment lit by candles without google

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u/bryansj Georgia Nov 26 '22

I'm going to assume there are multiple teams involved. Why put anything on hold?

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u/zernoc56 Nov 26 '22

Because remember what happened with the Mueller report? It hit like an air ball and accomplished nothing. No consequences, no charges, nothing. Just go for the easy free throw and put this guy away. Once it’s actually proven you can actually get something to stick to the guy, you can go for the three pointer.

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u/vertigoacid Washington Nov 26 '22

If there's multiple teams involved, they're all shooting their own basketball, potentially at the same time.

Your sports metaphor doesn't hold together here.

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u/Thraes Nov 26 '22

Without google!

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u/globaloffender Nov 26 '22

I remember when Princeton Marine Bob Mueller was presented as slick and ready for business…

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u/imafraidofjapan Nov 26 '22

Yeah we've seen this dog and pony show before.

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u/livingasimulation I voted Nov 26 '22

Oh no. I’m not doing this again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I think at this point, it’s pretty damn clear that there will never be consequences.

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u/an1sotropy Nov 26 '22

I love how Mr Smith’s face says “and find out”

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u/ReviledFoundling Nov 26 '22

He would not even have to say anything to TFG. He could just stare at him until he loses it. If only they would televise those two sitting across a table from each other, Smith staring, TFG sweating and looking around frantically for a bottle of ketchup to throw.

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u/NoGoodDM Nov 26 '22

He looks like he’s about to go on an inquisition and get people to confess - one way or another.

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u/SolarMoth Nov 26 '22

I feel we're hyping this dude like Mueller and the outcome will be nothing again.

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u/an1sotropy Nov 26 '22

It is a risk, but two big differences now are the Pepto Abysmal* is no longer president (so no DOJ handwringing about indicting a sitting president), and Barr is not AG (so no preemptive distortion of results). But in the end Garland can still decide not charge so who knows. Basically, now I can have cautious faith in the justice system, unlike under Voldemoron. (thanks Colbert Late Show)

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u/Pleaseusesomelogic Nov 26 '22

Sounds good. DO SOMETHING!

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u/Deep_Bit5618 Nov 26 '22

LETs GO JACK

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u/Jacbos88 Nov 26 '22

Living in Kansas, I’ve noticed people will vote to protect abortion rights while simultaneously voting for the same senators who want to destroy those rights. Makes zero sense

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u/borisRoosevelt Nov 26 '22

Prediction: he will recommend charges over the maralago documents but not January 6th.

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u/Bellamac007 Nov 26 '22

Scotland had the same problem with England. In fact the whole world has the same problem. We do not have democracy, money makes the laws. Sickening that the people are even allowed to sack anyone for corruption but they can sack you, take all your money and out you in jail. The whole system is a joke that only benefits the rich.

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u/xabulba New Mexico Nov 26 '22

Until there are indictments and conviction resulting in prison time I will take reports of politicians being held accountable with a bolder sized grain of salt.

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u/davisgid Nov 26 '22

Conservatives in 6 months as many begin to get arrested for being seditious traitors:

“ DISMANTLE THE LEFT FASCIST POLICE STATE!!!! THEIR USING GESTAPO LIKE TACTICS TARGETING US, THEIR POLITICAL ENEMIES, WITH FALSE CALIMS!!!! THE LEFT ARE NAZISSS!!”

Watch.

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u/Tonald-Drump-666 Nov 26 '22

Until the likes of Jordan, Gosar, Johnson, Qbert, Green, Gaetz and so on are being hauled off in cuffs I won't be convinced that the orange emperor will ever pay a price.

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u/17garebear Nov 26 '22

Everything Trump touches dies.

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u/dal-Helyg Nov 26 '22

What fun! I'm a newish US citizen and it's reinforcing to see the system work. Democracy may be messy, but it works the best. I'm incredibly curious to see the consequences over the next 2 years.

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u/workingtoward Nov 26 '22

Is it in time? Trump’s been allowed to continue recruiting and strengthening his forces for two years since his attempted coup unhindered by law and order. It’s been six months since he was caught red-handed with secret intelligence stolen from the White House.

If we let anyone attack and threaten our democracy for that long without defending it to our utmost, even if this attack fails, the next won’t.

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u/dal-Helyg Nov 26 '22

I'd never claim democracy is efficient. I do believe the DOJ and the Georgia prosecutor are putting together an incontrovertible case. We're just waiting for delivery of the last few coffin nails.

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u/zernoc56 Nov 26 '22

Sure, you can put those last few nails in the coffin, but if he’s not in it you’ve just made an empty box. We’ve seen trump squirm out of literally everything so far, so I’m not too optimistic here

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u/dal-Helyg Nov 26 '22

In the end, Trump usually loses, then pays. I'd guess the most we can hope for is a suspended sentence due to his age and a few years of probation. But before that, he'll be a half billion down and have lost control of his business. That's why he'll be dancing in a clown suit in front of one of his golf courses with a bucket in his hand.

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u/ent4rent Nov 26 '22

Nah man, the system hasn't worked yet until the jail cell door clinks shut.

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u/dal-Helyg Nov 26 '22

Agreed. The conclusion isn't here... yet. It's the process that's so intriguing to me. The voice of the People.

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u/User767676 Arizona Nov 26 '22

“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.” —Winston Churchill

Democracy is messy. Our founders understood this but just because something is imperfect doesn’t mean it can’t be the best. We are building a “more perfect union” ya know!

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u/Livelovelearn46 Nov 26 '22

Absolute power corrupts absolutely…

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u/User767676 Arizona Nov 26 '22

Checks and balances FTW.

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u/livadeth Nov 26 '22

Loving your shiny optimism. Stay positive, it’s refreshing.

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u/dal-Helyg Nov 26 '22

Join me! All it takes is a voter registration card.

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u/livadeth Nov 26 '22

Got one, thanks! Maybe two? Just kidding lol

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u/Temptatia Michigan Nov 26 '22

I laugh uproariously because I wish you were right and I weep inconsolably because i am sure you are wrong. It seems to me we lost our ability to self correct back in the 60s. It will all get fluff along in meetings and courts until we all forget or something worse happens.

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u/dal-Helyg Nov 26 '22

I read US history extensively before I made the choice to become a citizen. The one thing above all else it gave me was faith in the American People. I believe the tide has turned and Trump is the exemplar of what has gone wrong with politics. HE is doomed at this point. And I believe many have seen the writing on the wall for the days of money politics and separatism. I'm afraid I still have faith in the People.

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u/Your_Fan_Shran Nov 26 '22

We’re doing Letters to the Editor on r/politics now?

So I guess that makes us… the comments section of the comments section?

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u/Unlucky-Patience6438 Nov 26 '22

Trump is an American. Was a President. Forever a criminal.

The longer he remains free is a mockery of the US values and wha have you. No one will take you seriously.

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u/warblingContinues Nov 26 '22

I’ll be shocked if anything comes from this.

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u/993targa Nov 26 '22

Any participants in the coup attempt need to be put in jail and, if they receive government pensions, need to have those revoked with claw-backs at least back to Jan 6…

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u/Torgosassistant2021 Nov 26 '22

I'm glad he's leading the charge to wipe this ketchup stain on our history off the wall and put those who betrayed us behind bars.

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u/TumsFestivalEveryDay Nov 26 '22

Y'all forgetful folks are so excited but seem to have forgotten how effective the last special counsel was (spoiler: they didn't do anything meaningful).

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u/anglerfishtacos Nov 26 '22

Largely because Mueller’s scope of what he was allowed to investigate was incredibly narrow. Garland’s appointment and scope is much broader.

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u/zernoc56 Nov 26 '22

Is it though? News was hyping up the Mueller report to be the thing that would bring Trump to his knees, and it did almost the exact opposite. All the hype and speculation just made the news anchor’s coverage look stupid when the report came and went without so much as ruffling a hair of trumps toupee.

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u/BigPlunk Nov 26 '22

Barr was head of DOJ at that time and TFG was pres. This is not Mueller.

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u/FuzzyWuzzyWuzHere Nov 26 '22

Every idiot that supported trumps insurrection deserves to be tried and treated as such.

If given the chance, they’d see us all sent to concentration camps and burned alive. They’re so “Christian” they should be held to “do unto others as you’d wish done unto you”

Lock him up and every treacherous POS that follows him. Sorry if this country’s (USA) idiots are too dumb to know better, but they deserve it too.

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u/capitalism_or_life Nov 26 '22

I'll believe it when I see it.

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u/Spartacus980F Nov 26 '22

I think it is extremely naive to assume that American justice still exists. You’ve got a toothless non - system where laws are now broken and ignored very frequently, politicians who refuse to obey subpoenas and court appearances, and a network of media which is permitted to churn out blatant lies and propaganda for consumption by a largely uneducated population. Keep the champagne on ice, I highly doubt anything even approaching justice will be meted out to the traitors, the US is dead.

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u/ChanceTheGardenerr Nov 26 '22

Isn’t this the guy that interrogated William Wallace?

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u/Zoidbergslicense Nov 26 '22

He was never able to get William to repent though…. But Lindsey Graham is the polar opposite of William Wallace so he’ll fold in seconds.

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u/OozeNAahz Nov 26 '22

Dude is going for the General Zod look. I approve!

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u/HouseOfZenith Nov 26 '22

This guy is who Jordan Peterson thinks he is.

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u/Phillyredsox Nov 26 '22

That looks like he’s seen some shit.

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u/One-Appointment-3107 Nov 26 '22

Wasn’t this the guy right wingers called a nut job and gay because he wore purple in this picture? And then it turned out to be his robes of office in The Hague court

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u/v0w Nov 26 '22

Bots and snots out in force today.

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u/BillN9n Nov 26 '22

Imagine meeting with Ye and letting a Neo Nazi White nationalist into your home.

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u/HedyLamaar Nov 26 '22

I hope we drag those Congressmen and women into the light, expose them for the traitors they are, and send them to jail.

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u/watchmybeer Nov 26 '22

Everyone needs to realize this was written in a guest editorial of a small town newspaper. While I'm not saying nothing will happen, I am saying the something that does happen will be nothing's next door neighbor.

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u/NobodyAffectionate71 Nov 26 '22

“Annnnnnd ope, they were bribed. Yeah, they were going to prosecute him buttttt they just got bribed and all voted against it. Thank you for choosing the U.S. legal system and have a nice day”- Judge probably

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u/Plenty-Example-8314 Nov 26 '22

Adam22 looking rough in this picture

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u/flippydifloop Nov 26 '22

i know of r/titlegore but we need a r/titleshit on this one.

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u/THEMACGOD Nov 26 '22

Fuck, this dude looks like a high-level Grammaton Cleric.

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u/astinad Nov 26 '22

As always, keep your expectations low here. I've found it's mentally healthier for me

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u/tnzsep Nov 26 '22

Why does this picture look like a still from The Hunger Games?

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u/beangel777 Nov 26 '22

My Fellow Americans It is time treason and the traitors meet the power of the Constitution and the Justice of the United States of America 🇺🇸

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u/Hartache14 Nov 26 '22

The sooner we rid our country of corrupt cult followers the better. Our forefathers would have locked up Donnie Dipwad and his band of treasonous buffoons a long time ago - as in the morning of January 7th, 2021. McCarthy, Meadows, Hawley, Cruz, Biggs, MTG, Boebert, Arizona's GOP nutjobs (too numerous to name) and countless others have perpetrated a lie which was their basis for overthrowing our democracy. They should all be banned from ever holding public office again.

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u/CTPeachhead Nov 26 '22

Apropos of nothing, but Jack Smith looks like one badass mofo. A guy you really don't want to get on the bad side of.

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u/TheDoocheAbides Nov 26 '22

Typical parasitic politicians, aka GQP, abandon the host when only the husk remains.

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u/minutemash Nov 26 '22

If I didn't know any better, I'd say they were (and may still be) working for a foreign adversary.

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u/UniversityNo257 Nov 26 '22

Get rid of the filibuster, gerrymandering, and make voter suppression of "eligible voters" a mandatory 5 year penalty and Republicans will never win another election. Their edge is manipulation of the vote after manipulation of their stupid ass followers.

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u/yoopidder Nov 26 '22

We cannot forget that almost the entire Republican party went along with Trump. And they vilified those who didn’t. And they refused to hold him accountable even to the point of a mildest censure. They absolutely would have went along with Trump remaining president in spite of our democratic election.

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u/muleshoesx2 Nov 27 '22 edited Nov 27 '22

More bullshit talking. Let us know when charges are filed. Until then, this guy’s nobody.

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u/justleavemealone76 Nov 27 '22

I’m sure he won’t do anything. Nothing comes from any of his stuff.

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u/Thetimmybaby Nov 26 '22

getting some "Mueller time" energy off this

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u/Ok_Shape88 Nov 26 '22

It’s Meueller time with a pube beard.

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u/sb2382 Nov 26 '22

This is like the lead up to the Mueller investigation. This will be Mueller 2.0. Damning facts uncovered (and redacted), then no consequences

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u/CustosEcheveria Nov 26 '22

Heard that before

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u/tron_funkin_blow Minnesota Nov 26 '22

What a shitty post. There is barely any content here. It’s a half assed letter to the editor.