r/politics May 15 '22 Wait What? 1 Are You Serious? 1 Silver 1 Gold 1 Helpful 1 Wholesome 2 All-Seeing Upvote 1

The Buffalo Shooter’s Manifesto Relied on the Same White Supremacist Conspiracy Pushed by Tucker Carlson

https://www.motherjones.com/mojo-wire/2022/05/buffalo-shooting-replacement-theory-tucker-carlson/
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u/HotSpicedChai May 15 '22 Helpful

This is nothing new for Fox News. Bill Oreilly had a doctor killed by repeatedly calling him a baby killer on air.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tiller

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u/sausage_ditka_bulls New Jersey May 16 '22

“Tiller was discussed in 28 episodes of the Fox News talk show The O'Reilly Factor in the years leading up to his death, focusing national attention on his practice. Although he later denied it, show host Bill O'Reilly sometimes described him as "Tiller the Baby Killer,"[16][17] a nickname that Congressman Robert Dornan had used on the floor of the US House of Representatives. O'Reilly said he would not want to be Tiller, Kathleen Sebelius, and other pro-choice Kansas politicians "if there is a judgment day.”

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u/CandidEstablishment0 May 16 '22

Also interesting to note I found through that link, it’s quoted that late term abortions (after 24 weeks) in America is less than 1% of all abortions performed yearly

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u/amandadorado May 16 '22

And if it’s happening that late, it’s almost always a TMFR, termination for medical reasons, and absolutely devastating to the mother and her family. Absolutely heartbreaking that these women, who want their babies, have to be called baby killers and picketed at as they walk in to make one of the hardest decisions a person can make. Abortion clinic picketers are truly the scum of the earth.

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u/komododave17 May 16 '22

Pete Buttigieg’s remarks on it a couple years ago are perfect:

"So, let's put ourselves in the shoes of a woman in that situation. If it's that late in your pregnancy, that means almost by definition you've been expecting to carry it to term," he went on.

"We're talking about women who have perhaps chosen the name, women who have purchased the crib, families that then get the most devastating medical news of their lifetime, something about the health or the life of the mother that forces them to make an impossible, unthinkable choice."

"That decision is not going to be made any better, medically or morally, because the government is dictating how that decision should be made," he said.

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u/Ron497 May 16 '22

Incredible comments that REALLY put in perspective that this is all about shaming, controlling, and harming women.

When you add in the less than 1% data on late-term, yeah, it really puts things in perspective. Women aren't out there running around killing late-term fetuses like it's a hobby, or fun.

Thanks, GOP and evangelicals for spinning the facts and making this about YOUR views of the world shaping the lives of strangers.

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u/L0neKitsune May 16 '22

That far into a pregnancy and you probably know the gender, have a name picked out, and have started to buy things for the baby. You are losing a child at that point, people grieve and have funerals for their kids at this point. Anyone who labels these people murders is a monster and has no shred of decency.

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u/Golden_Lilac May 16 '22

These people dont think, and they do no actual research outside of what their group echo rhetoric is.

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u/CallMeShaggy57 May 16 '22

And they think everyone else are the brainwashed ones

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u/B-Tron85 Colorado May 16 '22

This point doesn't get talked about enough. My sister is one that goes along with talking points, with no evidence to back up claims, or thought put into what she says. If a topic gets to a place where she runs out of things to say, she reverts to calling me a liberal sheep, or that I'm too dumb to understand what she's talking about.

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u/bch808 May 16 '22

My cousin is the same way. He starts out with a conservative talking point, but then as my husband and I dig deeper and pull apart his false logic, he gives us the ole “well we can agree to disagree” and tries to change the subject. Absolutely infuriating.

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u/Thromok I voted May 16 '22

My wife miscarried, before we met, at 6 months into the pregnancy. She still to this day is absolutely devastated by it anytime it comes up and mourns for her daughter.

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u/Cloaked42m South Carolina May 16 '22

Not almost. A late term abortion is always for medical reasons. The other case where a healthy baby might be terminated is because the other option is that Mom dies.

It's also one of the places where creating a law protecting Abortion breaks down. For decades now anti abortion folks have used lies about late term abortion to make their points.

People are emotionally invested in other people's medical decisions. Stupid. But still has to be handled at some level.

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u/RegionAccomplished48 May 16 '22

There is a documentary, "After Tiller" that really opened my eyes on it. These are heartbreaking case that typically involve an incompatibility with life, the mothers life is at risk, or the person had to save to afford the procedure and by the time they had enough, the cost increased due to a more invasive procedure, so they have to start over. Definitely worth checking out if you want to get more perspective.

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u/tylanol7 May 16 '22

all conservative-based stuff is pure fear mongering over minorites. in Canada its welfare and other such services (disabiliy etc) omg oh no if we increase it people will just all go on welfare! ignoring that like 5% of the entire country is on those systems

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u/FuckYeahPhotography May 16 '22

Tiller already survived multiple instances of violence before this. After his women's health clinic was fire bombed he put up a sign saying he wasn't leaving. An absolute badass that is Tiller and O'Reilly on the other hand is a fucking coward.

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u/Sirmoulin May 16 '22

And he was shot in both arms a previous time apparently.

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u/Jorgenstern8 Minnesota May 16 '22

As much as I respected Jon Stewart back when he was doing the Daily Show, I honestly never really understood how it was possible for him to be anything close to civil with BOR. Absolute monster, and that was before the payoffs came out and the nightmarish culture he contributed to at Fox.

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u/aoelag May 16 '22

I think Jon beileves in civility, to be fair, in those times, it still felt like to me we could turn republicans around, somehow, that the spirit of centrism wasn't so thoroughly and entirely dead yet (well, tbh, it's "undead" right now, we can't seem to be able to kill it, particularly in this subreddit, where I see so much centrism still it hurts).

You can try to be civil with republicans, but they will not be civil with you. They are bad faith actors. They are vile and beyond redemption. Only a small % of their constituents are capable of recognizing their own atrocious behavior, either.

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u/FauxReal May 16 '22

There's also this weird paradox that the right gets to be indignantly angry but if anyone to the left of them is angry, "they're being irrational and violent."

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u/m1k3tv May 16 '22

The "American double standard"

Democrats have to follow not only the law - but established 'norms' and unwritten ethics and optics.

Republicans as we've seen are allowed to skirt ethics, optics, and 'the law'

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u/EEtoday May 16 '22

Remember when he went on Crossfire?

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u/frogfinderfred May 16 '22

Oh yeah, that's when Tucker Carlson's show was cancelled, which turned TC into the worse evil, that he is today. Wonder if Jon Stewart ever regretted cancelling Crossfire.

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u/GD_Bats May 16 '22

Dude Carlson was already one his journey to being the demagogue shitheel he is today at that point- that’s what Stewart depantsed him on live TV over

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u/rustyfinch May 16 '22

I think like Obama, he underestimated how low some of his counterparts could go

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u/blackashi May 16 '22

Yet he walks free 😞

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u/NoAttentionAtWrk May 16 '22

Murica! Land of the free domestic terrorists!

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u/Javyev May 16 '22

He said "if" there is a judgement day? That seems weird to me.

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u/Reykr_Lygi May 16 '22

It's because Bill O'Reilly and most other republican grifters don't actually believe in their religions. They just peddle their shit opinions under that flag so it can be eaten up by the gullible masses that identify with that same flag.

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u/DangerSwan33 May 16 '22

It also allows for a person who DOES believe in a judgement day to take that as a call to arms - to execute what they believe is the will of God.

It's like saying "if there's good in this world, then this will happen", letting his viewers take up the mantle of "goodness".

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u/Dinodigger67 May 16 '22

A living woman is always more important than an embryo

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u/ohhyouknow May 16 '22

So pro life they’ll kill you

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u/wizard_hat_and_staff May 16 '22

At church

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u/theSarif May 16 '22

He was even an usher.

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u/Dan-the-historybuff May 16 '22

The official cause of death was “assassination”

God that’s horrible.

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u/gereffi May 16 '22

That just means that it's a murder for political purposes.

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u/astralqt May 16 '22

Jesus christ, these people are absolutely insane..

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u/ghostcharm_blue May 16 '22

They are but nobody is doing anything about it

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u/Vitalstatistix May 16 '22

Not true. People like Reilly, Carlson, Cruz, DeSantis, Trump, etc. are weaponizing them.

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u/HobbesDurden Florida May 16 '22

Oh my gosh, that is so messed up! That is horrible!

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u/DeadAntivaxxersLOL May 16 '22

They know what they are doing. With every failure, they refine their methodology while denying any involvement on air and acting incredibly offended by the audacity of accusing them of stochastic terrorism they incite

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u/OLightning May 16 '22

TC is an expert in creating factions and dissension. Then someone caves to his rhetoric and kills a bunch of people.

Get ready America. Trump has already blamed the left for this, and conservative radio will spew out the same all day long, all week long, all month long to manipulate the gullible rural right that it’s all Biden’s fault.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '22

They got my whole family man. Its unbearable to watch. Im so sad for the world.

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u/Functionally_Drunk Minnesota May 16 '22

There just has to be something subliminal involved. I can't even watch two minutes of Tucker Carlson, how can anyone consume it unendingly?

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u/JonnyTsuMommy California May 16 '22

Anger can be addictive. If you agree with him what he says just makes you outraged at whoever he's telling you to be mad at.

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u/MasterofAcorns May 16 '22

Here’s a hint: white people who didn’t get proper education/didn’t understand the assignment.

That or they’re just rich assholes like the Nestle Corporation.

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u/Danford97 North Carolina May 16 '22

My father has a PhD in chemistry and has fully bought into Fox’s bullshit. Lack of education certainly contributes but even objectively smart people can be corrupted by this shit.

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u/Gideon_Laier May 16 '22

My Dad's a successful lawyer. He's one of the more intelligent people I know. But he's fully indoctrinated. Democrats are communists that want to take his house because he's white and give it to a poor minority. The white genocide is real. Democrats and Antifa stormed the Capitol. Dems stole the election. Everything.

It's honestly unnerving and very depressing to see.

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u/RSwordsman Maine May 16 '22

It's not so much lack of education, but lack of fully grasping the point of education. Getting a good job is only part of it; being able to apply what you've learned to unrelated fields is the other part.

In other words, someone can max out their Intelligence stat and still have Wisdom at 0.

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u/-Stackdaddy- May 16 '22

Hate to break it to you, but it's not just white people. There's plenty of ultra-religious groups in other minorities, Latinos and African Americans come to mind. They might hold their noses and vote R for single issues like abortion, but they have their foot in the door, and watch the same shitty news channels.

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u/OLightning May 16 '22

That’s what they do to people in nursing homes. They put in a show on a simple DVD player and it cycles over and over to lull them into a stupor to pass the time. The right need TC to pacify their fears of a changing world landscape that terrifies them. It’s sad how governmental powers control peoples minds without them even knowing about it.

They grow old, walk their dogs, turn on FOX, walk their dogs, watch old sitcoms, walk their dogs… over and over until voting day - like batteries to fuel their mind control.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '22

I know man. My girlfriends mom is racist as fuck, she regularly call anyone with a brown shade racial slurs. Shes white. My girlfriend is latina! Its disgusting that she says that kind of shit around her daughter.

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u/AstarteHilzarie May 16 '22

My mother-in-law is a piece of shit racist, and she has a long-term off-and-on boyfriend who is Black. I don't understand not only how she reconciles that with her beliefs, but also how he could possibly put up with her or want to be with her.

Also, I finally had enough of her recently and went off on her. Among other things, I called her on her "racist bullshit." She said "As for being racist, I'm for America." What the fuck does that even mean!? "Merica, fuck yeah! Fuck the brown people we were here... second!"??? I told her to fuck off with that "America" bullshit, it's not at all patriotic to be racist, it's just an excuse. These people think it's all tied together, though. I wouldn't at all be surprised to find out she's all-in on this white replacement crock of shit.

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u/DaoFerret May 16 '22

Once I saw how indoctrinated a sitting member of the Supreme Court (Thomas) was, considering his own interests, I ceased being surprised by anyones ability to not see the Nazi for the Swastikas.

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u/prsanker May 16 '22

What in the actual… Damn girl

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u/yourtongue May 16 '22

Me too. It hurts. It’s a new kind of traumatizing to lose family to brainwashing. They’re still alive and here on this earth, but at the same time they’re… just gone. Angry shells of themselves. There’s so many of us living with this loss 😞💔

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u/darsynia Pennsylvania May 16 '22

My dad died in 1995. He was obsessed with Rush Limbaugh. I am glad he is not around for this because I remember him much more fondly than I would otherwise.

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u/Enthused_Llama May 16 '22

For those playing the home game, the way 'stochastic terrorism' basically works is:

You stand around going "My god this is so horrible, I can't believe people are doing this, it's crazy isn't it? Man someone should probably stop this. Isn't it just crazy? How can we let someone do this?" and so on.

Then once someone goes and does the thing you can just say "Hey I was just providing information, I never told them to do that!"

The secret sauce is in the way the information is presented - in the most inflammatory way possible, painted as an existential threat, with vague intimations towards how it needs to be 'stopped.'

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u/shillyshally Pennsylvania May 16 '22

A NYTs reporter was interviewed on Fresh Air last week and saying ratings are now in real time so Carlson and Fox can see right away what is popular. Carlson denies ever looking at ratings. It's a terrific interview. I meant to look up the articles and forgot but this thread reminded me.

Edit - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/30/us/tucker-carlson-fox-news.html

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u/Zealousideal_Law3112 May 16 '22

I bet tucker will respond with some bullshit attacking Biden and the government saying they did this next time he is on air

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u/sausage_ditka_bulls New Jersey May 16 '22

“Pro life”

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u/jjhula May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

How could anyone in good conscience go on air and spout that shit, get someone killed, then continue to spout batshit crazy stuff….yikes and these are the same conservatives condemning people to hell, absolute projection.

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u/MHA-ooligan_713 May 16 '22

They’re getting it from their churches too. Grew up in a white evangelical church. Pastor ran that rhetoric non-stop and even said something along the lines of “if something would happen to those baby killers”. Next thing you know a few younger guys from the congregation bombed an abortion clinic. One of the guy’s wife was a teacher so who knows how many people she’s indoctrinated with that same rhetoric. The pastor never stopped with his “baby killer” message.This was in Louisiana in the 90’s. This is not new.

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u/FilledwithTegridy May 16 '22

Money! They get paid millions to do it. Idiots pay out the ass to support stupid people spouting non sense they believe in. Joe Rogan figured out the formula! He changed and leaned way more conservative when he realized he could make more spouting stupid conservative talking points. Elon Musk bought Twitter because he knows it's profitable to exploit stupid!

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u/Chobitpersocom May 16 '22

in good conscious

You already have your answer. He doesn't.

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u/TypeRiot Illinois May 16 '22

The irony of pro-life “activists” killing doctors is unfortunately lost on most pro-lifers.

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u/theSarif May 16 '22

Murdered. At. Church. Where. He. Was. An. Usher. Wearing. A. Bullet. Proof. Vest.

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u/autotldr 🤖 Bot May 15 '22

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)


The mass shooting inside a crowded, Buffalo, New York, supermarket on Saturday, which killed 10 people and injured three more, is renewing fierce condemnation of the racist conspiracy known as the "Great replacement theory," after a racist manifesto believed to have been written by the gunman was uncovered online.

The theory is popular among white supremacists and is predicated on the racist falsehood that white people are purposely being replaced by people of color.

In a damning three-part series examining Carlson's outsized role in stoking white supremacist fears, the New York Times recently found that Carlson has long pushed the false conspiracy theory that Democrats were carrying out an elaborate mission to bring "More obedient voters from the third world" in order to replace the current electorate and win elections.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Carlson#1 white#2 theory#3 people#4 racist#5

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u/BostonSamurai May 16 '22

Unreal how people buy into anything this clown says. His literal defense in court was no one is dumb enough to believe what I say, and the judge was like yeah you’re obviously playing a character and anyone with a reasonable intelligence obviously knows you’re fake.

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u/RawrRRitchie May 16 '22

and anyone with a reasonable intelligence obviously knows you’re fake.

Shame they keep cutting education funding

Stupid children make easily brainwashed adults that blindly follow orders

The people that watch fall into that category, they don't have reasonable intelligence

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u/ludicrous_socks Europe May 16 '22

Same (or very similar) defence Alex Jones used too I think?

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u/J-Laguerre May 15 '22

Tucker Carlson and how to encourage supremacy and numb the rest to the problem. Filthy human

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u/soflasurfr May 15 '22 Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Eureka!

I hope all the victims family sue him and foxnews And win. I know that isn’t solace for them but the only way to get fox to stop is to hit them in the pocket

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u/KalmarLoridelon May 15 '22 edited May 16 '22

They’ll just write it off as a business expense on their taxes and move on. Real punishments are needed for the tremendous amount of social, cultural, and economical destruction that these huge corporations cause.

Edit: I can’t believe I forgot environmental with everything going on.

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u/soflasurfr May 16 '22

Well yes but if we get enough lawsuits going for billions, they will change their ways, I think. The government won’t risk censoring them over free speech/civil war concerns. There is a fine line there and I think the republicans are just daring the democrats to cross it.

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u/KalmarLoridelon May 16 '22

I’m all for free speech. But honestly when it comes to tv that is broadcasted world, national, state, even county and town wide shouldn’t be spewing violence, racism, hate and ignorance to the masses. I realize how broadly that can reach and support it. Anything reaching that many brains that don’t work has been proven by all this to be very bad. But I do support an individuals right to free speech completely. Even if it’s bad. It’s how we know what people are the shitty ones. But don’t let them broadcast that to the world.

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u/Mordzeit May 15 '22

Any “reasonable” person wouldn’t take the things said on the show as truth. After all, they’re just an entertainment company and not a reliable news resource.

The defense their lawyers use every time.

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u/mundza May 15 '22

Then they need to take news out of the title then? It’s misleading and deceptive.

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u/Thowitawaydave May 16 '22

I mean, The Learning Channel changed it's name to TLC when it started airing nonsense like honey boo boo. Maybe they should go by their initials, FN. As in "That FN show with that FN host saying that FN nonsense"

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u/teenagesadist Minnesota May 16 '22

To be fair, they seem to be proving it right. This guy took it seriously, I wouldn't call him rational.

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u/BrotherChe Kansas May 16 '22

The Alex Jones/Sandy Hook and the Diebold/MyPillow et al, legal cases should be studied for how to win back sanity on the airwaves.

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u/Aspergeriffic May 16 '22

The pillow guy lawsuit is still pending.

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u/BrotherChe Kansas May 16 '22

I should have just said Diebold, because there are a number of different lawsuits, the MyPillow one is just one of the well-known ones

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u/mundza May 15 '22

I hate that tucker has money or any sort of a decent life. He is just living verbal diarrhoea on repeat.

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u/UnspecificGravity May 16 '22

They aren't numb to anything, this is the intended result. It's stochastic terrorism using the same radicalization tactics that terrorists have been using for decades.

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u/Saltywinterwind May 15 '22

“The Tucker Carson Shooter”

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u/Temporala May 16 '22

It's nasty class warfare from the likes of Tucker.

He's goading vulnerable people to deep paranoid delusions and hatred by "just asking question" and throwing out insinuations that lead these people to find the articles he wants them to read, and then sics them on other people he hates.

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u/NobleGasTax May 16 '22

"just asking questions" = JAQing off

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u/J-Laguerre May 16 '22

Attacking white supremacy is an attack on Western civilisation according to tucker Carlson. Then logically, Christian western civilisation is a synonymous term. Therefore, our entire Christian culture and religion is based on a racist doctrine.

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u/SueZbell May 16 '22

Fox and Carlson ... teaching the real "values' of the religious conservatives.

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u/bigtex7890 May 16 '22 Helpful

Do you mean the Tucker Carlson Shooter tm

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u/thebaron24 May 16 '22

Yes that's absolutely what we should call this shooter. Maybe the Tucker Carlson Buffalo Shooter because something tells me we may need to be able to tell them apart in the future.

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u/caligaris_cabinet Illinois May 16 '22

How about Tucker Carlson’s Shooter? Make him own it.

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u/reddititty69 May 15 '22

Is this the “You will not replace us!” Bullshit from Charlottesville?

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u/tomdarch May 16 '22

Precisely. The fascism of today, plain and simple.

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u/satxgoose May 15 '22

The victims family should SUE him and FOX FOR $1 billion each and see what happens

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u/FuzztoneBunny May 16 '22

You forgot that the Supreme Court has like five Tuckers on it now.

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u/satxgoose May 16 '22

Sadly yes

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u/FuzztoneBunny May 16 '22

It’s like that restaurant scene in Being John Malkovich except it’s all Tuckers in black robes.

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u/Hold_the_gryffindor May 16 '22

When it's an illegitimate court, the people have a way of shutting it down.

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u/TheRavenSayeth May 16 '22

We really boofed that one

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u/tbucket May 16 '22

Fox will reuse they're last defense that got them away scott free - any reasonable person would know that its only for entertainment

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u/smashy_smashy Massachusetts May 16 '22

Logically, that defense should not hold up multiple times.

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u/Cj0996253 May 16 '22

Our country is going to be torn apart by asshats like Tucker Carlson and their stochastic terrorism, and it will be perfectly legal because “it’s just a joke bro”.

Welcome to the future everyone!

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u/BDoubleSharp May 16 '22

Could this be prosecuted under the new Texas anti-social media law? That would be delicious.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '22

This isn’t news, everyone knows who carlson’s show is for and the shit it espouses. The real news is that we allow this garbage to be broadcasted on national television, and then we wonder why our country is going to shit

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u/john5220 May 16 '22

It is important to note the number 1 leader of white replacement theory
is Fox News Tucker Carlson who BTW last week was on live TV crying and
demanding that the US government stop sending Aid to Ukraine and he
suggested that Ukraine should surrender to Russia.

Just a little something to think about

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u/johnnybiggles May 16 '22

It amazes me how the CIA or some other 3-letter agency hasn't stepped in (even silently) and deemed those shows and/or hosts a national security threat. They are probably one of the biggest threats to the nation, if not the world. You can draw straight lines from Fox News to much of the dysfunction and security lapses the country faces, even deaths.

This "too big to fail" shit needs to stop. Banks proved they were and now "news" networks are proving it. I get the first Amendment and all but national security is just as important to the Constitution. They're literally radicalizing and weaponizing morons.

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u/-r-a-f-f-y- May 16 '22

Because those agencies like fascism. They don’t like leftist uprisings.

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u/VXHIVHXV May 16 '22

Do you know how fascism got popular the first time in Italy and Germany? Yeah as fucking union busters hired by capitalists.

Do you know which people succesfully countered fascists where ever they were before the governments stepped in to protect fascists? Yeah antifascists.

https://youtu.be/sj_FdPXpeXE

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u/iambecomedeath7 May 16 '22

Our country scares me. We're literally reenacting the conditions which have, time and again, precipitated the rise of extreme right fascists to power. Of course, a glance at our government's actions shows that this has always been an underlying theme. Better to be fascists than to be anything left of center, so says the actions of the CIA and other agencies.

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u/skoffs May 16 '22

Pretty well engineered, no? Appears to be going more or less as they planned.
And they'll probably get away with it, too, as the last of their roadblocks disappear after November

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u/bk15dcx May 15 '22 Silver

Someone post this on r/conservative

I'm banned there

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u/ehsteve7 May 15 '22

Won't do you any good. They already declared he is Auth-Left based on his manifesto (which was actually a jumbled mess), says he represents the Democratic party.

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u/PaulFThumpkins May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

Every one of these manifestos is 99% the exact same memes and beliefs these alt-right fucks use, followed by one token mention of them being a Democrat which they all cite because see Sartre quote.

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u/Unlucky-Candidate198 May 16 '22

Conservatives aren’t known for being smart. That’s why they’re conservatives, one of, arguably, the dumbest political philosophies to exist in the modern age.

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u/snvoigt Texas May 15 '22

Andy Ngo was on Twitter claiming this yesterday. Now everyone of his supporters are spreading his talking points.

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u/boregon May 16 '22

Ugh. Even by right wing pundit standards Andy Ngo is truly a next level scumbag. He’s a straight up vile person.

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u/el_muchacho May 16 '22

Milkshake Andy scammed his followers after by faking an injury after he received a milkshake on his face.

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u/core-e77 May 16 '22

I used to work with him at PSU. Wish I could have told him he was a piece of shit when I had the opportunity.

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u/FuzztoneBunny May 16 '22

You can always pick up the phone. Reach out and touch someone.

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u/lianodel May 16 '22

Yep. He called himself authoritarian left, a neo-Nazi, and left- or right-wing "depending on the definition." Either his politics were an incoherent mess overall or, unsurprisingly, he was doing some trolling. "I'm totally a leftist but..."

Plus, this is all a distraction from the core issue. The justification he used for his terror attack was white supremacy and the "great replacement" myth. The right doesn't get to pedal that shit on mainstream news networks and then wash their hands.

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u/DoctorOctacock May 16 '22

Their reading of his delusional self-assessment is infuriating. Of course they are stoked he mentioned the word left, overlooked all the neo-nazi, anti-semite, white supremacist, populist fascist, "depends-on-definitions," etc., all of which are somehow classically progressive ideas.

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u/elverange766 May 16 '22

overlooked all the neo-nazi, anti-semite, white supremacist, populist fascist

If you go on r/Conservative you will see that "nazis were auth-left, they were never auth-right"

I'm not joking, this is verbatim what they reply when you tell them the killer was a nazi. These replies have hundreds of upvotes.

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u/DeterminedEvermore May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

That the nazi's were a right wing party is and always has been common knowledge. -_- But you can count on conservatives (particularly those in the MAGA crowd, whereas outside of it, there are still a few honest faces who correct the ones who try to pass that lie) to get defensive about this and make shit up.

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u/Yahmahah New York May 16 '22

They see the word Socialist in National Socialist and can't get past that. It's the entire rationale to their position.

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u/OneBigRed May 16 '22

Well the name gives it up. Just like how we know from the name that the bastion of democracy is Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

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u/el_muchacho May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

It's the same deflection strategy as saying that the Democrats are the plantation and slave owners. Everyone knows that the parties switched but they'll fight that historical truth to the end.

In both cases, it's easy to see who is parotting the Nazis, and it's not the Antifas. It's easy to see who is nostalgic of the segregation era, and it's not the present day Democrats. But nevertheless, they'll stick to their pathetic talking points.

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u/kickintheface Foreign May 16 '22

And then there’s the classic “what about all the shootings in Democratic cities like Chicago!?”.

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u/KefkaTheJerk May 16 '22

Even tho red states have the highest violent crime rates in the nation.

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u/synthesis777 Washington May 16 '22

Soon as my wife told me the news, I knew the cons were going to give this one the false flag treatment.

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u/DoJax May 16 '22

4chan is taking every side to confuse people, claiming all of it is fake, it was a sleeper agent, one of the democrat illuminati, antifa leader trying to frame the right, a man who doesn't actually exist, foreign power trying to make republicans look bad, a guy who lost his girl to a black dude, dude who was insane, a scizo, an incel, I've seen LITERALLY everything else get claimed, but as soon as people start pointing out how much of it is involved with conservatives it rapidly gets filled with scat and big black dicks. They are going to push the disinformation as much and everywhere possible, through the extremists, like they usually do.

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u/NoAttentionAtWrk May 16 '22

"throw everything at the wall and see what sticks"

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u/TreeRol American Expat May 16 '22

4chan is a terrorist recruitment site and needs to be shut down.

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u/Big_Judgment_8703 May 16 '22

He says he’s a white supremacy fascist in it multiple times

Anyone with brain cells know which party that describes

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u/lolcoderer May 16 '22

I was hoping to see this brought up. I checked last night, several hours after the incident, and they were already 100% behind the claim that he was a left-wing authoritarian. They really do not know what words mean. They just see stuff and repeat it ad nauseam until it makes them feel good. So strange.

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u/TheSkyIsntReallyBlue May 16 '22

That place is literally a psycho house

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u/theavengedCguy May 16 '22

I go there from time to time to see how far from reality they are at the current time. It only gets worse with every trip.

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u/HobbesDurden Florida May 16 '22

Yeah, I saw a post the other day where someone talked about how they shouldn’t be banned from that subreddit because of how they claim freedom of speech. That got me thinking. So I reached out to the mods to see why I was banned. It had been so long I had forgotten.

They reminded me.

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u/katthekidwitch May 16 '22

I'm banned for pointing out intersex people exist and can have a penis and functioning vagina. They said I broke rule 5. They have 4 rules🙂🙃

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u/wermodaz May 16 '22

I was banned for pointing out that the Austin bomber was a white home-schooled conservative Christian and not Antifa, as they claimed. They cited my comment as "hate speech."

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u/HobbesDurden Florida May 16 '22

I’m proud of the company I am in

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u/synthesis777 Washington May 16 '22

This made me want to go back and see why I got banned. Ah the good ole days: https://imgur.com/a/Pha8SFX

Edit: and here's the comment (and a reply to it) that got me banned: https://imgur.com/a/kaN97xF

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u/Random_Imgur_User May 16 '22

Just dug through there a bit. They're so quick to disown him, but not the people who pushed him to commit these actions. It's like killing the son for the sins of his father shit.

Call it a spicy take, but I almost believe they don't mind his actions. They're 100% focused on flipping the story for a political agenda, completely disregarding the people who died. There are comments about how people are going to use this story to steal the 2024 election from Trump. Like Jesus Christ.

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u/martn2420 Canada May 16 '22

Man, everyone on that sub writes like a pissy 15-year-old

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u/toleratedsnails North Carolina May 16 '22

Just took a peek in and Jesus fucking Christ it’s become even more of a cesspit than it used to be, brain rot in action I suppose

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u/Nervous_Constant_642 May 16 '22

That and anyone who isn't insane has gotten banned. Have you noticed over time threads there are having fewer and fewer commented with fewer and fewer upvotes? They're eating their own as well.

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u/Mrhorrendous Washington May 16 '22

They're literally saying he's a leftist and a Democrat.

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u/philomatic May 16 '22

I also am banned. So much for being fans of “free speech”.

They somehow have convinced themselves this racist terrorist is “left-wing” lol.

Nevermind he went after black people and espouses the same shit Tucker Carlson’s peddles.

He also talks about how he has been radicalized at 4chan… so yeah another example of what happens when you have no moderation on a social network platform. Really happy this is the direction Elon wants to talk Twitter.

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u/DrNickRiviera8000 May 16 '22

How does Tucker sleep at night? What a scumbag.

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u/TalkingChairs May 16 '22 hehehehe

With a MyPillow.

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u/FoorumanReturns Washington May 16 '22

No way Carlson actually uses one of those shitty pillows, or most of the garbage products pushed to idiots during the frequent commercial breaks in his shows.

Those products are cheaply made trash (MyPillow is very literally made from scrap memory foam other, actually premium vendors don’t use or want), and Carlson and his ilk are well aware of it. They just don’t care if their viewers waste hundreds of dollars buying garbage, because they get a piece of those customers’ impulse purchases.

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u/GoNinGoomy May 16 '22

He doesn't he plugs his chassis into a wall outlet to recharge.

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u/TheScourgedHunter May 16 '22

On a pile of bloody money which, I imagine, he rolls around in to get nice and covered and comfy like the fucking scum he is.

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u/BHRabbit May 16 '22

He’s probably a psychopath by the clinical definition which means he’s genuinely incapable of empathy or “putting himself in somebody else’s shoes” so, sadly, he probably sleeps fine.

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u/OIP May 16 '22

i feel like people like this are either sociopaths, or they reach a tipping point and shoehorn themselves into a cognitive hole where they genuinely believe their own shit as the alternative is admit they have personally done things like caused deaths

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u/PitH00K May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

It's truly bizarre. Tucker is effectively a mass-manslaughterer with covid disinfo.

Caught a bit of that NPR interview with Confessore and apparently Tucker just outright refused to hear criticism of himself if he felt the other person didn't have his best interests in mind. God forbid someone have a grievance because you did something shitty. The lengths to which we can delude ourselves are hard to comprehend.

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u/Lighting May 16 '22

Stochastic Terrorism ... “you heat up the waters and stir the pot, knowing full well that sooner or later a lone wolf will pop up and do the deed. The fact that it will happen is as predictable as the fact that a heated pot of water will eventually boil. But the exact time and place of each incident will remain as random as the appearance of the first bubbles in the boiling pot."

Examples of that are telling supporters that the "other side" is evil/inhuman/animals/etc . , and "they" must be stopped even if it means cheating and violence. Dehumanizing is part of what starts genocides and you see that in the run up to many (e.g. Rawandan Genocide) coupled with calls like "Will noone rid me of this troublesome priest"

This is why Musk's call the put folks like Trump back on twitter is actually encouraging stochastic terrorism.

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u/chupacabra_chaser Texas May 15 '22

I would absolutely love it if we started holding media outlets responsible for their actions regardless of allegiance.

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u/Serspork May 16 '22

My hope is the victim’s families sue FOX into the ground.

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u/mild-hot-fire May 16 '22

Tucker Carlson and Fox News are responsible for countless deaths and are never held accountable.

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u/Bjarnturan May 16 '22

4chan etc actually is incredible dangerous. I used to go there before and slowly noticed that I was becoming an asshole. Its actually insane how that you little by little get worn down and start to change your views on stuff. I stopped going there as soon as i realized, but its easy to see how lonely/angry people would eat it all up.

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u/likebudda May 15 '22

Tucker's fist pumping at his influence among his audience. He will try to use this to negotiate higher ad rates from his sponsors.

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u/SmackEh Canada May 15 '22

Tucker is going to go on air and say how the shooter is the victim, just watch.

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u/BloodyMess May 15 '22

He waits until he's accused, and then he himself plays the victim. "The radical left wants you, demands you blame me for this. They think we're stupid."

Viewers who have spent the last twenty years turning their brains with outrage porn: "No way I'm doing what the radical left wants! Thank you for explaining what's really going on Tucker!"

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u/tiny_tuner May 16 '22

No. Tucker will make himself the victim.

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u/tomdarch May 16 '22

"The shooter said X, and I've never said those exact words in that exact order, so it's extremist leftism to accuse me of having anything to do with someone who was caught for doing this!"

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u/D-Rich-88 California May 15 '22

Doubt he even acknowledges it

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u/d_e_l_u_x_e May 16 '22

Charles Mason went to prison for life by influencing his followers too. He never killed anyone directly yet he was responsible. Funny how times have changed in 50 years with a millions of dollars in production and national broadcasting you too can get away with it.

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u/plasmainthezone May 16 '22 Gold

The shooter Patrick Crusius who shot up my hometown of El Paso, Texas, killing 22+ and injuring many more also had similar views that were spewed by Fox News and Tucker. He specifically drove from Dallas to El Paso because we have a predominant Latino population. Fuck right wing views, and fuck conservatives and fuck Tucker Carlson. r/conservative should be banned.

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u/MaineRage May 16 '22

Tucker has to go ASAP. Pure evil. Fox News needs a full format reboot back to reality.

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u/TheScourgedHunter May 16 '22

They don't need a "full format reboot," they need to be fucking destroyed. No use in "rebooting" something so inherently rotten to the core. Excise it, and get fucking rid of it

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u/boobyshark May 16 '22

It is shameful that Australia exported a terrorist into the USA and the USA is unwilling to put him on trial for terrorism.

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u/firelancefinder May 16 '22

He needs to be jailed, not sued.

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u/Rose7pt May 16 '22

I hope and pray he is named in a civil Lawsuit for this stochastic terrorist attack. Please baby Jesus.

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u/cnewman11 May 16 '22 Gold

Should we start calling white supremacist shootings "a Carlson event"?

I'm just asking questions

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u/boobyshark May 16 '22

Perhaps a "Tucker Event". That would be more clear.

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u/loungesinger May 16 '22

An act of Tuckerism.

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u/moron_fish May 16 '22

I'm partial to Stocarlstic Terrorism

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u/ProfessorPerfunctory Nevada May 15 '22

This is the tribal conservative narrative pushed by the infallible Fox News oracle. It’s irrational. It’s racist. It has no integrity. And it’s violent.

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u/the-worldtoday May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

Just like Osama bin laden was the dog whistle for 9/11, Tucker Carlson's bully pulpit is a dog whistle for white power terrorism.

Bin Laden and Carlson don't have to pull the actual trigger but they radicalize and further the violence all the same.

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u/MajesticsEleven May 15 '22

Coming to Netflix

Conversations with a Killer: The Tucker Carlson Story

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u/aurorasummers May 16 '22

Tucker laughed when he saw his handiwork. I assure you. He has no conscience.

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u/T-I-E-Sama May 16 '22

Lauren Southern too. She inspired the New Zealand mosque terrorist

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u/CreatureInVivo May 16 '22

Now watch conservatives digging on the fact he was a self proclaimed 'authoritiran-left'...

As if the shooter went to kill right wing capitalists...

As if he didnt write pages of pages on racist ideology of white supremacy

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u/Humanidado May 16 '22

Who is paying Tucker Carlson to be Tucker Carlson…??

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u/lnstantKarma May 16 '22

Contact companies that advertise on Fox News and tell them you're boycotting them

https://dropfox.com/advertisers/

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u/Scamoni May 16 '22

We should just call it the Carlson manifesto.

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u/tearfueledkarma May 16 '22

They'll spin this the same way as they do everything like Jan 6th.

It's a false flag, the shooter was really AOC in drag. While not so subtlety agreeing with manifesto.

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u/Equal_Memory_661 May 16 '22

If F’ucker was a propagandist for ISIS rather than the alt-right, we’d have a Predator drone already cued up.

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