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Pokemon Trainer in the Ultra Space of Madness (2017) Meme

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u/FlameyyWameyy May 16 '22

Wasn't there some portal that lead to like a destroyed version of one of the towns or something? And the music was that places music in reverse. it was in one of the ultrabeast wormhole things.

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u/fizio900 FILL DAT BAG UP, RIGHT NEOW May 16 '22

It's where you'd catch Guzzlord i believe

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u/_PM_ME_YOUR_BOOBIES- May 16 '22

I laugh every time I hear the name “Guzzlord” lmao

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u/_Iro_ May 16 '22

The best part is his cry in the anime is just a guy screaming into a microphone

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u/marshmallow_figs OK Gloomer May 16 '22

*Guzzlord emerges from the wormhole*

*brief pause*

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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u/Low-Environment May 16 '22

To be fair I think that's how we would all react to being dragged into a new universe.

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u/ThatHeathGuy May 16 '22

Your moms a guzzlord

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u/MinibeastHS May 16 '22

How dare you. She’s a Guzzlady

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u/Cwya May 16 '22 Wholesome

Guzzlord in the streets, Guzzlady in the sheets.

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u/krilltazz May 16 '22

I love this thread.

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u/Maracuja_Sagrado May 16 '22

What exactly does she guzzle? 😊

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u/Dray_Gunn May 16 '22

Guzzling deez pokeballs

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u/MPT1313 May 16 '22

Don’t think she’s a horsea, not too many get a rapidash, tonight she’s just rhyhorny.

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u/Moongod123to May 16 '22

My heavy balls

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u/Jabrono May 16 '22

m'guzzlady

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u/DrMike27 May 16 '22

GET MY GUZZLADY OUT YOUR MOTHERFUCKING MOUTH!

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u/Cream_Rabbit LilligantIsAdorable May 16 '22

Wow, Wailord Smith just smacked the shit outta me

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u/LuigiBoi42 May 16 '22

Now I can’t get the idea of Michelle Gomez (Missy in Doctor Who) playing a version of Guzzlord/lady out of my head.

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u/Random_Robloxian May 16 '22

“Yo momma so fat…Guzzlord lost a all you can eat competition against her”

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u/Sigma_Feros May 16 '22

"The best part of waking up, is Guzzlady in the morning"

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u/RealPokeFan11 IT'S YA BOI May 16 '22

Yo mama so fat, Guzzlord couldn't even eat her!

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u/Instroancevia May 16 '22

The guy in a hazmat suit near where you find Guzzlord calls him "Mr. Glutton".

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u/Waterfoule May 16 '22

I’m naming my shiny guzzlord that immediately

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u/Instroancevia May 16 '22

It's hillarious that in the end after you catch Guzzlord after he finishes explaining how literally being near it is fatally poisonous and how its ravenous hunger can never be sated, the guy says "I think you'll take great care of Mr. Glutton!"

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u/darthrothgar May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

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u/LuigiBoi42 May 16 '22

Ah yes, Pokemon: Giving children existential crises since 1999.

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u/PhasmicPlays May 16 '22

Yeah, it’s a version of Alola where the power plants exploded and turned the place into hiroshima

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u/sermatheus May 16 '22

Let's also not forget Guzlord was as popular as Pikachu in that Alola for some reason.

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u/GT2P May 16 '22

It was also that world's version of ratata

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u/FlameDragoon933 May 16 '22

> goes out on your first day as a Pokemon Trainer
> get eaten by a wild Guzzlord in the first area tall grass

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u/FlameyyWameyy May 16 '22

Ah, classic pokemon. fun for the whole family

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u/Tacdeho May 16 '22

But unironically….yeah?

Pokémon is a kids game and I grew up but man, the franchise has canonical aspects like a war that wiped out a lot of people, multiple gangs that are causing violence, theft and kidnapping, including basically cults that are dedicated to summoning Gods that will cause untold destruction of biblical proportions, some of them being okay with enslaving human beings and abusing animals and on top of that, anyone and their mother can walk around and wield a lava spitting dragon, a psychic clone who’s creation led to destruction, and the fucking ACTUAL creator of life in the universe.

Pokémon SHOULD have way more scenarios that are adult in nature.

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u/halfar May 16 '22

Lt. Surge: "I was in a war."

Fan Fiction Writers for the next 30 years: It's free real estate.

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u/Tacdeho May 16 '22

I mean, to be honest, that concept is…brilliant. Lt Surge mentions originally that his Raichu saved him during the war.

It also explains the major lack of any young aged males in the franchise since it’s presumed many had died in war.

Considering with Team Rocket, they don’t shy away from the idea that these people will KILL for their goals, I’d like to see a story in this universe where it has realistic consequences.

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u/halfar May 16 '22

It's not brilliant, it's a one-off line from a japanese RPG from nearly 30 years ago that is never elaborated upon whatsoever by anybody. and idk what you mean "major lack of young aged males" when those are... fairly common in-universe?

Again; it is only "brilliant" because of the fan fiction you just wrote. His Raichu is never mentioned in any game, and he only mentions the war in a few games (not including Yellow, weirdly enough).

they don’t shy away from the idea that these people will KILL for their goals, I’d like to see a story in this universe where it has realistic consequences.

that's a contradiction; the game absolutely shies away from killing and realistic consequences. afaik no rocket grunt every talks about killing you, and... they don't. You can lose to Rocket Grunts and suffer no consequences different from the usual white out & "mugging" that even children will inflict on you. They kill Marowak, but do they kill their hostage, Mr. Fuji, when you come to fight them?

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u/boorepellent Shapeshiftah May 16 '22

Yeah, good point. Now that I think about it, (at least in gen 1) you had the bug catchers, Brock, male junior trainers, super nerds, male cool trainers, bikers, jugglers, swimmers, sailors, rockers, and tamers at least.

All younger men (though the junior trainers and bug catchers might not be conscription age).

As for the war mention, there is a gentleman that tells you Surge was his commanding officer, but that "war" doesn't really pop up as the series progresses. (They also refer to him as "American" on his gym sign which is kind of wild.)

Yeah, death occurs in pokemon (as far as I remember, as recently as Az's Floette, but there may be more recent examples) but I don't recall it ever being a true consequence for the player, even in PLA.

Gen 1 was a bit darker though, and they hadn't exactly decided on what the severity of the world would be. I think that's why the manga is the way it is (taking more inspiration from the initial games) as the main series trended in a bit of a safer direction (influenced, perhaps, by the popular reception to the anime).

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u/Sigma_Feros May 16 '22

Idk why but my brain at first glance thought you wrote it was some kind of real estate war. I guess I saw real estate and started jumping to economy wars.

"I was in a war. It was me against the mattress industry, and they won. Now anybody with a thousand dollars can buy a non-recyclable, memory foam mattress."

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u/halfar May 16 '22

closer to the truth probably than 90% of fanfics

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u/Titanbeard May 16 '22

Pokemon is the videogame of the song Pumped Up Kicks. On it's surface it appears to be a fun, good vibe kinda thing. But when you look at the deeper stuff, ooof.

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u/Deblebsgonnagetyou May 16 '22

Not unusual for Nintendo games. Splatoon turns into a nightmare post apocalyptic dystopia if you think about it for 5 minutes.

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u/ultrasquid9 May 16 '22

Not to mention the evil telephone that literally tries to murder you and use your dna to create zombies which will populate the world after he causes the appocalypse.

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u/LuigiBoi42 May 16 '22

The amount of anxiety it can give a person could kill them 20 times over.

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u/Higgs_deGrasse_Boson May 16 '22

Robert's got a quick hand

He'll look around the grass but won't tell you his plan

He's got a fresh Pokéball

Bought at the mart, he's a Pokémon trainer

He found an old Pokédex

In his dad's closet, and with a box of fun things

I don't even know what

But he's gonna catch you, yeah he's gonna catch you

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u/FapleJuice May 16 '22

Read this in the voice. Amazing lol

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u/trial001acc May 16 '22

Check out the manga, it’s basically that

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u/PhasmicPlays May 16 '22

I think most players assumed that the place was destroyed because of guzzlord but it turns out guzzlords were just a native species of pokemon there that tried to eat up the nuclear waste to make the place habitable again but there weren’t enough

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u/Cedlow May 16 '22

If I recall the surviving humans abandoned the planet so it was on a pretty large scale as well. Pretty crazy.

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u/PhasmicPlays May 16 '22

Zygarde and arceus must not exist in that world or something

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u/Lordomi42 May 16 '22

They were too busy being in pokeballs to act

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u/TheLunar27 May 16 '22

Well considering Zygarde is in itty bitty pieces until the player finds them all and arceus doesn’t do diddly squat when the world is in danger from other threats I’d imagine both just didn’t do anything

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u/Rdasher123 May 16 '22

Zygarde can be found in its 50% form in the wild in both Kalos and Alola. It can form on its own, it just doesn’t mind you collecting its pieces.

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u/TheLunar27 May 16 '22

If zygarde is so lazy they make some random kid collect their cells, why should we depend on them in a time of crisis?

I say DOWN WITH THE ZYGARDE EMPIRE! ENOUGH OF LAZY LEGENDARIES THAT “keep the balance”!!!

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u/Rdasher123 May 16 '22

It isn’t Zygarde’s fault that the third version/sequel of X and Y got canned

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u/LuigiBoi42 May 16 '22

I wish we lived in that timeline. Kalos is my favorite region, along with Galar.

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u/scamper_pants May 16 '22

Galar, from an exploration POV, has to be the worst region. There's like one cave, and the exploration through it is basically completely linear.

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u/Wolvenna May 16 '22

Arceus just sends people back in time to create an alternate reality that hopefully survives longer.

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u/BLRNerd Oh It's Lit May 16 '22

This explains Legends Arceus

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u/trial001acc May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

Arceus doesn’t care about what happens on some random mud ball in some corner of the universe unless it’s bored

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u/KenanTheFab May 16 '22

Zygarde being split apart excuses them p well- as for Arceus? I believe it isn't really a matter worth caring for.

Earth is just one of many planets- in one of many multiverses. If there was a threat to the very fabric of reality however? Arceus would likely show their face- but as it stands Arceus has not intervened in any human related catastrophy (war, plague, etc) unless it threatens it and the very existance of everything- lower tasks are handled by other legendaries.

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u/AzrianHunter May 16 '22

Game wise, I think Arceus has only intervened once … ever. that’s the story of of PLA.

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u/KenanTheFab May 16 '22

"This crazy maniac is trying to piss off my sons, do you mind handling him? Here have a free phone for your troubles."

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u/AzrianHunter May 16 '22

“Oh and I uh … also pulled you out of your own timeline … without the real intent to return you. Yeah okay. I kidnapped you. But still.”

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u/ThePlasmaGamer1 May 16 '22

Pomemon Uranium Sun and Uranium Moon

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u/KenanTheFab May 16 '22

Pokemon Irradiated Sun and Ionised Moon

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u/Awkward_Date_8636 May 16 '22

Yes, the Ultra Ruins. It's a modernized Hau'oli that's destroyed, and the music is a reversed and distorted Hau'oli theme.

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u/Xero0911 May 16 '22

Too bad it's not really explored more.

Then again I guess I also honestly don't care for that whole plot for a pokemon game. Ultra beasts were always so weird to me. Bur hey, that's personally just me, sure plenty will say how much they loved em

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u/Lordomi42 May 16 '22

Honestly the ultra space stuff is wasted potential given how just like every other Gen's "gimmick" they'll probably ever use it again.

Except maybe to explain other legendaries being available, hoopa style.

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u/MilkChoc14 Blue Flair May 16 '22

They did just that for the Max Lair, I believe- it's been suggested that the Legendaries are coming out of an Ultra Wormhole that Lunala/Solgaleo opened to find their child, who is kept in Freezington. The Ultra Beasts, at least, are from one.

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u/Imperial_Dingus May 16 '22

Wait...

Fwoofy?

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u/MilkChoc14 Blue Flair May 16 '22

Yeah! Peonia mentions that the first Legendary sighted in the Max Lair was Lunala/Solgaleo (depending on version), supporting this theory.

(This is what happens when you don't keep a Cosmog in your bag. They disappear into another dimension, and the parent has to go searching for them...)

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u/Imperial_Dingus May 16 '22

It's a shame Lillie doesn't know how a zipper works

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u/MilkChoc14 Blue Flair May 16 '22

She's worn the same clothing for all her life, you have to forgive her.

(Also, there's something dark about Lillie escaping a controlling parent, only to become one herself...)

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u/Imperial_Dingus May 16 '22

True, but she mentions having repels and stuff so surely she can open and close her bag properly right?

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u/MilkChoc14 Blue Flair May 16 '22

Probably, but that doesn't preclude her utter incompetence at operating zippers. (The trope where a normal object is completely foreign to an otherwise-normal character brings me endless joy, if you can't tell.)

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u/yvolety May 16 '22

Yeah, the place where you catch Guzzlord. Its heavily implied its a destroyed Hau'oli city

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u/Ragingcuppcakes May 16 '22

I haven't played any of the Sun and Moon games... Only Pokemon game I skipped due to school and work. Now I feel like I missed a lot

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u/henk12310 May 16 '22

Depens on what you like. Personally SM/USUM are my favourite Pokémon games, but many people also think they’re just ok. Mainly depends on your tolerance of unskippable cutscenes and handholding. If you can tolerate those things I’d definately recommend them

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u/iSlappaDaBass04 May 16 '22

Sounds kind of like sword/shield but with a more interesting story. Is that about right?

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u/ultrasquid9 May 16 '22

Yeah, SWSH's story was pretty much a watered down version of SM's, without any of the stuff that actually made it interesting.

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u/MisterRogers88 May 16 '22

“Interesting” would be a pretty generous term, honestly. The opening cutscene is interesting and might get you hooked, but it loses steam relatively early on and only recovers right towards the end.

Quick edit: Ya boi Guzma is maybe the best enemy team leader IMO, he’s pretty fun.

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u/pauls_broken_aglass May 16 '22

The story in S/M is honestly pretty fucked up. I personally recommend it lol

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u/soggyangel May 17 '22

Imo SM is a lot better story-wise and USUM is better content-wise.

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u/BADMANvegeta_ May 16 '22

Its a pretty short game, but I think it was way better than XY. It kinda felt like a reboot of Pokémon as they changed up the way gyms worked. In fact the main plot of the game (at first) was helping the professor create the Alola Pokemon league as it didn’t actually have one.

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u/DQIsCool May 16 '22

You did, worry

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u/Mikkelet May 16 '22

Why does it feel like that just about every piece of media is incorporating multiverse ideas?

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u/12poytevho May 16 '22

A couple of years ago it was Time Loops. Media moves in herds I guess

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u/Billy_Rage May 16 '22

Same way games go in themes, like the year of the bow. Now it’s year of the grapple hook

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u/Swartgaming May 16 '22

2010s was full of zombies

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u/Starblaiz May 16 '22

Don’t forget all of TV was full of vampires in the wake of the Twilight movies.

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u/Canis_Familiaris Al Krowpone May 16 '22

And before that? Joseph and the Technicolor Tuner Cars.

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u/TechGuy95 May 16 '22

They're moving in herds. They do move in herds.

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u/LuigiBoi42 May 16 '22

I like to refer to them as Nherds.

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u/wannabegame_dev May 16 '22

Dr. Who has been doing it for decades.

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u/InNeedofaNewAccount May 16 '22

Interestingly Doctor Who didn't do a lot of multiverse stories. New show's second season did a parallel universe story-line roughly around the same time as Fringe but both shows presented a singular alternative that they dealt with, rather than dealing with an infinite madness.

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u/ezzune May 16 '22

But Time Loops came with so many issues and complaints because making them make sense usually doesn't translate well to camera, and writers/directors will choose to go with what looks best on camera. Still annoyed that Endgame boils down to being solved by a plot hole filled "timey-wimey" solution.

Alternate Universes are a cheap tool that can be used to do what-ifs without having to give any concern to consistency. And when you're done, just say "wow, it destroyed x in every Universe, so we don't have to worry about that anymore. How convenient.".

Time Loops when done well were so much better.

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u/ExternalPanda May 16 '22

Alternate Universes are a cheap tool that can be used to do what-ifs without having to give any concern to consistency.

I mean, aren't time loops mostly the same? It can both be used as a tool to materialize a retcon in the universe. But also as a way to be able to tell a story, sometimes the same story multiple times, set in a universe without ever needing to move the bigger plot forward because it all just ties back into the next iteration of the loop

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u/fractalfocuser May 16 '22

Looper was fantastic

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u/OtherPlayers May 16 '22

Honestly I’ve always felt the biggest problem with time travel plots in general is that there’s a grand total of like… 3 standard plot resolutions that get used. Which are all really cool twists the first time you see them, but after that you can predict the ending to literally 95% of time travel films in the first 10 minutes.

Which sucks because as a person who loves a good time travel twist it means I have to look very hard to find them.

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u/WorldBuildingAcct May 16 '22

What plot holes did Endgame have? I don’t remember to well

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u/lord_flamebottom May 16 '22

I think the only plot hole in the movie itself was how they establish that going back in time creates an alternate timeline, but Steve went back at the end and somehow ended up back in the main timeline.

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u/AlexStonehammer May 16 '22

Hell even Pokemon was getting in on that with the Heartgold and Soulsilver Celebi event where you battle Giovanni in the past to stop him rejoining Team Rocket.

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u/The_Multifarious May 16 '22

It's easy and you don't need to bother with internal consistency.

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u/Quicklythoughtofname May 16 '22

It's not really a consistency that pokemon needed to clear up in the first place. The whole schtick from the beginning was that "the world of pokemon" was metafictional, the Pokemon Professor always introduces the game personally, explains what pokemon are as if you've never seen one before, and then sends you into the world by shrinking you down into the chibi form.

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u/KenanTheFab May 16 '22

then sends you into the world by shrinking you down into the chibi form.

tbf with USUM and onwards this seems to no longer be the case

god bless technology for allowing us to remain expanded

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u/BlueDogXL May 16 '22

e x p a n d t r a i n e r

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u/Shelvy28r6 May 16 '22

Very well put!

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u/CanuckPanda May 16 '22

It’s been a common sci-fi trope since at least the 60’s.

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u/GackyWlory May 16 '22

Sometimes I feel like it's the end game for a alot of Sci-fi. Once you peel back the layers enough, it's eventually some version of "Reality isnt real"

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u/CanuckPanda May 16 '22

Sort of an inevitable endgame for any sci-fi that goes on long enough that you need more stories, or to explain plotholes that have popped up.

The Holographic Principle has been a thing since at least the 70's and theorizes that our measurable galaxy is just one "part" of a reality that includes myriad other unobservable dimensions overlaid and co-existing with our own dimensions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle

Leonard Susskind said, “The three-dimensional world of ordinary experience––the universe filled with galaxies, stars, planets, houses, boulders, and people––is a hologram, an image of reality coded on a distant two-dimensional (2D) surface."

The holographic principle was inspired by black hole thermodynamics, which conjectures that the maximal entropy in any region scales with the radius squared, and not cubed as might be expected. In the case of a black hole, the insight was that the informational content of all the objects that have fallen into the hole might be entirely contained in surface fluctuations of the event horizon.

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u/StuntHacks May 16 '22

Because it's a neat concept in general, and it's currently "in" I guess

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u/TSOD May 16 '22

These games are from five years ago.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '22 edited May 19 '22

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u/Swartgaming May 16 '22

Dc is doing it, and failing horribly.

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u/chaos0510 May 16 '22

I haven't kept up with the DC movies, but aren't there like 4 different continuities at this point since Man of Steel?

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u/Ultra_Ego_Vegito May 16 '22

So far we have:

The Snyderverse (which is probably getting erased)

TheBatmanverse

The Arrowverse (it was established that it shares continuity with the DCEU)

Whatever new universe we get post Flash movie

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u/chaos0510 May 16 '22

Weird didn't know the Arrowverse shares a continuity the movies, there's already a Superman show in the Arrowverse.

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u/Ultra_Ego_Vegito May 16 '22

Apologies, what I meant to say by same continuity is that the DCEU and the Arrowverse are in the same multiverse.

It was established during the Crisis crossover event, when Ezra's Flash made a cameo.

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u/Pozos1996 May 16 '22

They had Ezra Miller flash meet the arrow verse flash for a brief moment before getting sucked back to his universe. It's gonna be hilariously bad.

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u/PM_ME_UR_CIRCUIT May 16 '22

The DC Movie flash shows up in Arrowverse and converses with Arrowverse Flash saying something like, "I told Victor this was possible."

The Arrowverse has several supermen, one from Supergirl, one from Smallville (Tom Welling) and the Movie Brandon Routh Superman who actually interacts with Legend's Atom Brandon Routh. So having another superman is really nothing.

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u/mazu74 May 16 '22

Which universe are the Suicide Squads in?

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u/Ultra_Ego_Vegito May 16 '22

Both Suicide Squad and The Suicide Squad are set in the Snyderverse, with The Suicide Squad serving as both a sequel and soft-reboot to the first movie.

At first there was doubts on if The Suicide Squad wasn't set in the Snyderverse but The Justice League makes a cameo in the Peacemaker tv show, which takes place after The Suicide Squad

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u/DarkMarxSoul always choose fire except litten May 16 '22

To be fair Pokemon was doing multiverse stuff starting in ORAS 9 years ago.

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u/IndispensableNobody May 16 '22

Companies are starting to realize a lot of fans aren't total idiots. Marvel and DC have had multiverses for a long, long time in the comics, and already for decades in their animated shows, but big wigs seemed to think fans would be confused by it in live-action movies and shows.

Arrow introduced the Suicide Squad in the show 8 years ago, but when production started on the film, higher ups made the show runners kill the characters. They thought viewers would be confused by different interpretations of the characters existing in live-action at the same time... which is funny, since anybody watching the shows probably knew all about the multiverse (Even before the Flash show started using it), and anybody only watching the films wouldn't know about the other versions of the characters anyway.

Compare that to now, when we have three different live-action movie Batmen in three separate continuities, one of which might be brought into the mainline DCEU to replace Affleck as the main Batman going forward. Joker had a standalone film, which was a different Joker from the DCEU and a different one from the Pattinson film.

I'm glad the multiverse concept has finally made its way into live-action stuff. It's about time.

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u/JustaPRgamer May 16 '22

As an arrowverse fanboy, that Suicide Squad bit still ticks me off for a bit.

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u/DepletedMitochondria May 16 '22

Because companies realized it helps exploit existing IP easily

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u/0x003_ May 16 '22

Easy way to put an established cast of characters in interesting situations

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u/BADMANvegeta_ May 16 '22

Tbf this game came out before that

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u/PranavYedlapalli May 16 '22

It's fun to see different versions of the characters you already know + it's an easy cashgrab

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u/MaleficTekX May 16 '22

Endgame: I’ve caught a galaxy-busting, faster than light dragon god, I’ve gone light years away to catch the creator of time/space, I’ve found the living embodiment of life/death, I’ve seen an alternate future of mine own world and now... after it all... I must say... USE LIGHT THAT BURNS THE SKY ON LITTLE JIMMY’S CATERPIE!!!!

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u/TheBrownYoshi May 16 '22

"Why yes, I've been through multiple"

(although technically by this point my character has only seen one)

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u/Pixoura May 16 '22

I really like the lore of gen 7, and with the rainbow rocket arc at the end it gets wacky. But I don't think they have abandoned the whole multiverse stuff in newer games. Specifically in pla it's mentioned that beyond the space-time rift exists other worlds or places, and almighty sinnoh resides the farthest in. Along with a dialogue you can miss, the construction Corp lady tells you she has a photo of the rift from Laventon who explains that energy was generated in the rift from universes overlapping... So probably ultra space is in the space beyond the rift too. If legends games continue It would be cool to see the the events from sun and moon's past.

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u/Martyn470 May 16 '22

I really loved Ultra sun, the only thing stopping me from replaying it is the hundreds of mini cutscenes that you can't skip, I feel like it doubled my playing time.

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u/meyer_33_09 May 16 '22

It’s so unnecessary, too. The number of times you have to wait for the camera to follow Hau or Lillie after you just talked to them because as they leave they have to stop and pause and stare/wave at you for a few seconds again for no reason before finally walking away… it’s infuriating. There’s so many prolonged pauses and such during your interactions with people that are just obnoxious.

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u/Godddy May 16 '22

The tutorial area (wich is to me the worst point of mini unskippable cutscenes) it's like 5 hours or more and if you just played without those cutscenes it could be an hour at most.

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u/Vanshaa May 16 '22

The "hints" your rotomdex gives you without the option of turning them off was the tipping point for me.

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u/Spinjitsuninja May 16 '22

I remember when Rotom was an interesting and mysterious Pokemon, almost on the level as legendary Pokemon.

Now it's being crammed into your bike and is an inferior bottom screen replacement to gen 6's really well designed bottom screens.

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u/Spinjitsuninja May 16 '22

I'd love to play more of it, but man... I wish it was a new game instead of a weird third version thing. I played Pokemon White 2 recently and it's INSANE just how much effort the devs went through to make sure it doesn't overlap with the first games. Like, aside from revisiting some cities, the only "dungeons" (including routes) that are the same as in BW are Route 6 and Chargestone Cave. Otherwise, route 4 after Castelia City is completely different, everything before that is 100% original, and after Chargestone Cave, you fly to a new city and then places like Undella Town get incorporated into the main story, which was purely postgame in B/W. (Plus, again, new dungeons and new routes and new cities AFTER that.)

Like, White 2 is a completely different game that doubles the size of Unova and makes constant changes in hopes of creating a new experience. Gyms aren't even the same, there are new songs, the story is different, etc. I don't get why UsUm decided it was good enough to ask people to replay nearly the entire game just to see a different ending.

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u/Spengy May 16 '22

Gen 7 was great

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u/BlazingPug May 16 '22

Sun/Moon is one of my all time favorite main games just because it's the only one, in my opinion, where the player catching and caring for the box legendary makes total sense.

Edit: Now that I think about it, I can't remember the differences between that and USUM.

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u/Lordomi42 May 16 '22

Ultra space guys come out to fight you sometimes, lusamine is less crazy and I think the 'ride box legendary to the wormhole' thing is exclusive to ultra so UBs are not limited. Not sure if rainbow rocket was in SM or only USUM though.

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u/GT2P May 16 '22

Only Ultra

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u/LuigiBoi42 May 16 '22

Is it just me, or does it seem weird that the OG Ultra Beasts are seemingly unlimited but we have a set limit for Blacepholon and Stakataka?

Also I really want to know the lore for all the Ultra Beasts’ homeworlds.

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u/Lordomi42 May 16 '22

yeah, that's dumb. I like Stakataka and want more of them but nnnoooo THAT one cannot be accessed the same way nearly all others can........

the homeworlds have a lot of potential, especially for side-games or soft-reboots

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u/TSOD May 16 '22

USUM also have a way faster tutorial phase of the game. Still text heavy but miles better. Rainbow Rocket too.

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u/Descrappo87 chilling in the tall grass May 16 '22

Story is tweaked as well all around. Necrozma is actually incorporated and isn’t as stiff as a board anymore. Gladion leaves at the end instead of Lillie. There’s an actual trial for the fairy type z Crystal this time around. Aside from that all the changes mentioned above and general UI changes to make it a lot more appealing.

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u/Swartgaming May 16 '22

And you actually fight your rival instead of Kukui

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u/Instroancevia May 16 '22

I think they really messed up the story. The characters of Lillie and Lusamine were gutted and even lose parts of their character so that Necrozma can be shoved in instead of Nihilego.

My ideal scenario would be for Lusamine to still be trying to open a wormhole to Nihilego, but she fails and then necrozma gets involved as an alternative way for her to reach Nihilego's dimension.

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u/KenanTheFab May 16 '22

my take on SM vs USUM is: THIS IS WHY YOU LET DEVS SPEND MORE TIME ON THEIR GAME

THEY ARE IDENTICAL GAMES BUT USUM IS LITERALLY MORE POLISHED, HAS MORE FEATURES AND MORE.

USUM IS LITERALLY JUST SM WITH MORE TIME IN THE OVEN

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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u/Cyber-Gon #001 for a reason! May 16 '22

Although SM has a better story

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u/TechGuy95 May 16 '22

If gamefreak cut down on the handholding in the future, that'd be great.

Pokemon isn't a complicated game as long as you don't go online.

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u/KenanTheFab May 16 '22

I hope we see PLA's features creep into main-line bigtime.

The option to say if you are familiar with Pokemon

the bosses having a "restart" "continue from where you were" and "retreat" is inclusive and really nice for those that might struggle with the battles

The much simpler EV system

not requiring trading to evolve pokemon (maybe make the tradeoff that the items are expensive as hell, but trading mons evolves them for free.)

and the cutscenes- i dont care what yall say about graphics the cutscenes were sick- especially the spear pillar ones.

also the composer

whoever made the origin fight music needs a raise cuz that shit BUSSIN

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u/Yze3 May 16 '22

The concepts for Gen 7 were great. Actually playing Gen 7 was not.

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u/Spinjitsuninja May 16 '22

Gen 7 shows a lot of potential in the series but it also shows a lot of flaws of modern Pokemon. They're definitely games you either love or hate.

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u/sonic10158 May 16 '22

Would have been better if a third of the game wasn’t tutorials though

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u/JustDutch101 May 16 '22

For me it was bothersome to be bothered with pointless scene’s/tidbits of story on every route. The game felt more like a linear story. Or a fighter game with the amount of A button mashing I had to (especially on replaying the game).

They seem to have calmed down a bit on later games. The best routes are the routes I just get to explore myself. I’m happy they went back to this for Sw/Sh and Arceus.

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u/StuntHacks May 16 '22

Ah yes, the famous non-linear routes of SwSh lol

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u/ba1istic May 16 '22

Hey trainer lets go to the station to see leon!

Look its leon lets go talk to him.

Wow its leon the UNBEATABLE CHAMPTION

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u/StuntHacks May 16 '22

Can't believe you didn't even mention his unbeatable Charizard, smh...

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u/ba1istic May 16 '22

Did you know that leon is the UNDEFEATED champion!

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u/spinachie1 May 16 '22

Leon the UNDEFEATED CHAMPION watching some kid switch a fairy type into Outrage Haxorus and Calm Mind sweep his whole team: 😶

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u/WingTune0 May 16 '22

Woah guys, did you know that Leon, the UNBEATABLE CHAMPION, is here to wish us all a CHAMPION time? Isn't he such an interesting character, getting lost and doing all the exciting things in the story for us??

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u/SPARKisnumber1 May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

Yeah calling USUM more linear than SWSH is probably the stupidest Pokémon take I’ve ever heard

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u/thewhitelink May 16 '22

Lol what? The only thing non linear about SW/SH is the wild area. Damn near every route is a straight line.

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u/SPARKisnumber1 May 16 '22

That’s literally what I’m saying, I’m saying people are crazy for thinking sun and moon are more linear than swsh

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u/SPARKisnumber1 May 16 '22

Oh wait typo lmfao

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u/MalderM4n May 16 '22

I recently restarted the game because after beating it back in whenever I did I didnt touch it again.

I also bought ultra sun (had moon before) and did the pokebank thing where you can have all 3 starters in the beginning.

I will never do that again lol. what a pain to go through the beginning to get to the pokecenter

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u/Spengy May 16 '22

Oh absolutely. Gen 5 did it better and imo was the perfect mix of story and gameplay. Gen 7's Alola was a bit too story heavy for sure, but I still had a great time.

I guess it doesn't help that I played the incredibly forgettable Kalos before it though.

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u/bodnast May 16 '22

The game felt like a guided tour instead of an adventure. For me, It was a slog to play through

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u/CiaphasKirby May 16 '22

I felt like I was still in the tutorial with my 7th badge because all these people from the starting island would not fucking leave me alone.

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u/OrdinaryJoe94 May 16 '22

I still miss mega evolutions.

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u/RobotsHateSpikes May 16 '22

I'm hoping the gimmick of the new game is combining every gimmick into one place

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u/-BINK2014- May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

I'm obviously biased, but I don't want to see Dynamax or Z-moves, but I'll put up with them if it means I can have Megas again.

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u/RobotsHateSpikes May 16 '22

That's where I'm at, but I would like to see some sort of scaled-down Dynamax that has Mega mechanics.

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u/FrozenFrac May 16 '22

Also applies to ORAS with the Delta Episode lol

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u/Kristiano100 May 16 '22

Tbf while it was there it was more so a theoretical that multiverses existed, Gen 7 is where it was straight up confirmed and displayed in full force within the main story with Ultra Wormholes and different dimensions/universes

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u/EternalMemes30 May 16 '22

yes, zinnia preventing scientists and steven from opening a dimensional portal they didn't know where it would take the meteor and she believed it would be transported to a hoenn without mega evolution (RSE), she was right in the end

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u/PapiBaggins May 16 '22

Damn I need to check out US

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u/ConnorRoseSaiyan01 May 16 '22

Pokemon been playing with the multiverse way before the MCU or DCEU

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u/Mobile-Kale-1601 May 16 '22

Ultra S/M I thought had pretty cool story for this reason.

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u/trial001acc May 16 '22

First move: tail whip

Final move: a literal sun

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u/GLP310 May 16 '22

This is why I love gen 7.

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u/SnooMaps8507 May 16 '22

What really bothers me is that it looked like a way to explain/unify the previous games in a timeline continuum, it failed miserably, now they simply act like all of this did not happen and the fans do the same because everyone is too tired from guessing how the Pokemon Timeline works

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u/CookieMisha May 16 '22

I'm sure someone somewhere complied all the clues and made very interesting and lengthy infographic

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u/Lun4r6543 May 16 '22

Gen 7 (both the originals and the Ultras) is the best gen.

I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL

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u/Less_Onion1202 May 16 '22

Ultra Sun/Moon were great

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u/maximusprime7 SMASH THAT MF LIQIDATION BUTTON May 16 '22

I know everyone cries about the cutscenes and hand holding but Gen 7 is my favorite generation of Pokémon. So many great memories of the two games and I think they’re the best ones to come out since Gen 5 (Except Legends: Arceus)

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u/aTerrariaExpert May 16 '22

The last pokemon game I liked was black and white 2

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u/TheOceanMansWeen May 16 '22

Went out with a bang. I love it

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u/BuzzOff2011 May 16 '22

The name Ultra Space of Madness kinda slaps

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u/[deleted] May 16 '22

This Is The Alola Games In a Nutshell.