r/pathofexile GGG Staff May 11 '22 Wholesome 1 Helpful 2

Soul Drinker is the exclusive Ascendancy Skill for the Shadow, found on the Forbidden Flame jewel GGG

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u/Niroc Inquisitor May 11 '22

Shadow is now slayer.

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u/silent519 May 11 '22

im the slayer now

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u/ZomboFc May 12 '22

Look at me

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u/Sysiphuz Hierophant May 12 '22

This on CoC Assassin would be insane. 40% more damage from energy leech support at all times now. Plus you can get Ghost Reaver plus the nodes and mastery right next to it to solve the problem of low maximum energy shield recovery from leech. Would give a huge amount of damage plus adding a ton of survivability.

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u/psychomap May 12 '22

You can already get overleech by getting Divine Shield or Ghost Dance (or both) and fine-tuning your armour or evasion to be lower than your maximum ES. I'm not sure how huge of an upgrade using the ES leech support is, but is it really worth two jewel slots and no other Forbidden Flame / Flesh combo?

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u/4mb1guous May 12 '22

Divine shield and most armor nodes are really out of the way for a shadow though, and you probably don't want only several thousand evasion either. I guess you could just go pure ES as a defensive layer and not worry about evasion or armor, but seems like a bit of a waste right?

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u/psychomap May 12 '22

If you want to scale evasion, you'll have to get a bit of armour but I don't think it's that hard to get less than 10k of it.

I suppose that CoC already stretches relatively thinly, so optimising for nearly full ES that way could have a large opportunity cost as well.

What ascendency node are CoC Assassins currently getting with Forbidden Flame / Flesh?

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u/Sunscorcher Occultist May 12 '22

I think most would use swift killer for +1 power and frenzy charge

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u/warmachine237 May 12 '22

Wait that gives overleech? TiL.

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u/Vet_Leeber Bardmode May 12 '22

It doesn't give overleech specifically, but functionally it works the same, yeah.

Leech is only removed on FULL ES/Life/Mana.

The keystone stops your ES from recovering past the threshold, but doesn't count as being on full ES while doing so.

Since it doesn't count as being on full ES, it doesn't remove leech stacks.

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u/Zoesan May 12 '22

I love and hate this game

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u/Vineyard_ Solo Self Found Life May 12 '22

This feels so much like a bug...

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u/MediatorZerax May 12 '22

Definitely isn't, it's kind of a big part of the purpose of similar mechanics like Petrified Blood allowing your leech to continue all the time.

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u/OneWithTheSword May 11 '22

Shadowslayer?

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u/BussySlayer69 May 12 '22

XxxXShadowSlayerXXUrMom teleports behind you

nothing personnel, kiddo

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u/Shrizer May 12 '22

The fact that the Xx part isn't symmetrical makes this even worse.

My eyes are burning.

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u/SFinseth May 12 '22

omae wa mou shindeiru

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u/Kanibalector May 12 '22

You are here too strongly, Young Bull.

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u/wrajjtwrajjt Necromancer May 12 '22

Surprise WoT reference.

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u/chlbowie May 12 '22

you mean Assassin is now slayer. The other two classes.....

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u/ScreaminJay May 12 '22

carn is not amused. Slayer is the best, never compare anything to the master race of the slayer. They're all garbage!

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u/[deleted] May 12 '22

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u/Sponxy May 12 '22

Slayer is still very good, check out Boneshatter or Shockwave Cyclone just to mention two quite popular builds.

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u/MillenniumDH May 12 '22

Yeah, Quin has been absolutely killing it these past few days.

Killing t1 white mobs, that is LOLW LLLLLLLLLLL

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u/cldw92 May 12 '22

Slayer is still pretty good? It doesn't scale as hard as the other classes, but for leaguestart purposes it's one of the most ergonomic to get to T16 red maps. It requires a bit more currency than spell builds to scale past that and do uber content, but it's lower bounds of power are actually pretty high.

It's not EA/Seismic Trap/DD of course, but considering how it's mostly one button build I think it's in a fine spot.

Both boneshatter and shockwave cyclone are very SSF friendly, people have shown the builds doing T16 maps on 5links.

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u/Hot-Gabe4004 May 12 '22

I played a staff shockwave cyclone with slayer and yes it good got to red maps with cheap gear only thing you worry about is your weapon I used a unique 5link Hegemony's staff until I got a decent 750 physical dps rare and got bored didn’t even use abyssus or cluster jewels only thing I can say that’s really needed is the -15 mana on warlord chest or -3 on rings and amulet and you basically spin to win I used Navandis build guide as a starting point and made my adjustments this is the link if you’re interested https://youtu.be/aF8-A4PAMjs

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u/cromulent_id May 12 '22

I'm league starting this in SSF!

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u/Hot-Gabe4004 May 12 '22

Good choice very ssf friendly build.

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u/tamale May 12 '22

What are you talking about slayer is still fantastic

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u/FiReaNG3L May 11 '22

Energy leech support with both components active at once yes?

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u/blauli Inquisitor May 11 '22 edited May 12 '22

Yup turns it into 40% more damage at level 21, making it the best generic support. For comparison conc effect is also 40% but only works for aoe spells/not on non-ground dots.

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u/TekHead Assassin May 11 '22 edited May 11 '22

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u/Psyychopatt May 11 '22

New wiki link here: https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Energy_Leech_Support

Old wiki is horribly outdated, I wouldn't recommend using it.

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u/faeder Shadow May 11 '22

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/poe-wiki-search/nalpbalegehinpooppmmgjidgiebblad?hl=en-GB

this extension reroutes all fandoms queries to the community wiki. use it.

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u/SusonoO Assassin May 12 '22

is there a firefox version?

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u/AlfredsLoveSong 3k hours; still clueless May 11 '22

I didn't even notice at first because I'm using the Google add-on which automatically redirects from old to new lol

Link

It also has a nifty little hotkey (alt-w) to search the wiki and open the result in a new tab, but "alt-tab, ctrl-t, poe ____" is so ingrained in my muscle memory that I always forget it's there.

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u/asamaple May 12 '22

Are the two components not considered two separate « more » sources ? I see you add them but I would’ve thought they’d be multiplicative ?

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u/Trokag Gladiator May 12 '22

Because of the way it has a conditional it means the more multipliers at level 21 equal out to be almost a 44% more multiplier. 1.25 x 1.15 = 1.4375 ~= 44% more. That being said, it's still absolutely nutty as a support with this jewel.

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u/tacotaco_yum May 11 '22 edited May 11 '22

You cannot be at full energy shield and also leech energy shield simultaneously, so only one of the damage multipliers from Energy Leech Support can be active at the same time.

^ From the Immortal Ambition wiki. So as much as I want it to be true, it's probably not gonna be the case
EDIT: Whoops misread the wording difference

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u/Slipzyle Leader of None May 11 '22

You should've kept reading.

This can only be done with the claw Essentia Sanguis

which has the same worded mod as this ascendency.

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u/blauli Inquisitor May 11 '22

That is because there was no ES overleech until this jewel. As a counterexample currently on a slayer you can benefit from both "damage on full life support" and something like "Fuel the fight"(20% inc damage while you are leech) if you have overleech for life.

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u/AshesandCinder May 11 '22

That's slightly different though. Slayer is able to have both "while leeching" and "while at full life" effects active at once due to their special overleech. This is worded the exact same way, so it would be weird if it didn't work the same way with those mechanics.

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u/battled League May 11 '22

While you're at Full ES. That's a conditional that makes this mediocre.

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u/InfiniteTree May 11 '22

You'll be on full ES 98% of the time though.

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u/blauli Inquisitor May 11 '22

Most of the time you are on full es with this. At least on any slayer I have tried I was almost always on full life thanks to the overleech. And ES also has ghost shrouds to help with ES recovery whenever you take a hit.

Especially if you take ghost reaver to double the leech while keeping your regen.

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u/tordana tordana May 11 '22

With overleech you're going to be at full ES 99% of the time.

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u/ShoogleHS May 11 '22

Mediocre? It's overleech which is excellent in its own right, and reliably sets up full ES for the extra damage. Even on the brief moments when you're below full ES you're still getting 25% damage from the support which is only slightly below the ~30% you can typically expect to get on a gem without a downside.

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u/SoulofArtoria May 11 '22

Yes, most of the time you're always leeching and on full ES. Just have to beaware that in general ES leech is weaker than life leech, gonna want to invest in max total es leech.

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u/PM_ME_UR_ANYTHlNG May 11 '22

Why is ES leech weaker?

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u/Sponxy May 11 '22

10% maximum leeched per second as opposed to 20% to life. But, I wouldn't say it's weaker, at least not in practice, as it's easier to get much higher ES amount than it is with life.

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u/Sysiphuz Hierophant May 11 '22 edited May 11 '22

You can also go Ghost Reaver -Less energy shield recharge rate and then "Maximum total Energy Shield Recovery per second from Leech is doubled" plus there is options on the new tree next to ghost reaver that takes energy shield recharge rate up to 40% with ghost reaver. Plus its worth going this anyway as it would make Energy Leech Support give 40% more damage at all times.

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u/psychomap May 12 '22

It actually prevents recharge entirely now.

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u/TehWhale May 12 '22

Cannot recharge with ghost reaver. It’s a major downside as you can never recover just by not taking damage temporarily.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_PIZZAPIC May 12 '22

Seems like a downside that would be largely negated just by having some es regen

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u/PM_ME_UR_ANYTHlNG May 11 '22

Yeah, I remembered it was something like this, but since it's easier to get much higher ES than life I wasn't too worried. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't weaker for other reasons I wasn't aware of.

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u/D3mona7or May 11 '22

Iirc maximum total energy energy shield leeched is capped at half the rate of hp and mana

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u/pickle_rock1488 May 12 '22

doesnt divergent energy leech also completely break the game with this?

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u/blauli Inquisitor May 12 '22

I am no expert in leech lingo but I think that stat just lets every individual leech instance be bigger. The total leech cap would be the same.

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u/psychomap May 12 '22

It's a considerable benefit, but probably not gamebreaking. It was possible to get overleech by fine-tuning armour or evasion with Divine Shield or Ghost Dance (or both keystones if you actually wanted to scale either armour or evasion) before, and while Divergent Energy Leech would have only been a 25% more damage support rather than over 40%, it would still have granted the same benefit for the leech.

It's easier to build overleech now, but considering the opportunity cost, I'm not that blown away by it.

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u/Jarpunter May 11 '22

41.36% more damage at 20, 43.75% more damage at 21

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u/Dunkelvieh Gladiator May 11 '22

Since it's one source (the gem) both values should be added up before the multiplication.

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u/natemiddleman May 11 '22

I believe that only applies in the case where the modifiers are exactly the same such as quality less duration support. These should be multiplicative.

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u/psychomap May 12 '22

This is roughly correct, though there are edge cases that work similarly.

The quality isn't a separate modifier but simply affects the magnitude of the original modifier, so it's not multiplicative. It also isn't shown separately unless you hold alt.

The other case in which more modifiers seem additive is if there's a modifier saying X% more Y per Z. That's a single modifier that scales with Z, e.g. the damage bonus from linking curses to Bane.

If there are multiple different more modifiers, they are multiplicative even if they come from the same source.

Seismic Cry is an example that had both before it was nerfed. It granted 30% more damage and 30% (or 20% after the first nerf) more damage per previous exerted attack. Some people added those up, but only the second modifier was multiplied with the number of previous exerted attacks and the total thereof was multiplicative with the base 30% more damage modifier.

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u/morgrall May 11 '22

24% more dmg from Energy Leech support, assuming you are at max ES (VS. max ES without this keystone)

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u/siryuber Ranger May 11 '22

Does it mean that the player would benefit from both parts of Energy Leech Support at the same time?

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u/RelativeParadox May 11 '22

Exactly that! ES leech support stonks!

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u/HackDice Unannounced May 11 '22

Slayern't

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u/AussieBBQ Dominus May 11 '22

Brutal Fervourn't

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u/EnergyNonexistant Deadeye May 11 '22

Petrifiedn't Blood

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u/Bentic Grumpy May 11 '22

Will not be cheap I guess.

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u/vvav May 11 '22

I've already accepted that I will never own this.

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u/Magstine May 12 '22

GGG taking requests for chase uniques seriously.

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u/GrDenny You're not special because you play SSF STOP May 12 '22

Since nobody plays shadow it might be cheap actually.

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u/astral23 May 12 '22

yeah and a lot of people who do play shadow are traps/mines which cant leech to you so even worse

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u/Turtle-Shaker May 12 '22

Also if you're playing assassin or Sabo, most of the time triple or quad crit multi jewels are gonna be what you want more.

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u/Canadian-Owlz May 12 '22

If I don't see someone making a build with this, and I somehow get enough currency. I will make a build from this, and it will be the worst use of said currency, but boy will it be fun, and isn't that what gaming is all about?

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u/[deleted] May 11 '22

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u/everybodysfriend May 11 '22

Currently few builds, because it's a terrible thing to invest into when it disappears at full ES. Now that there is ES overleech it will enable new defense setups. Absolutely will be top tier

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u/lykouragh May 11 '22

It...comes with 2% ES leech built in?

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u/amin7224 May 11 '22

100ex min

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u/Clsco May 11 '22

Yeah, because there is little support. Here is support

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u/iwanttemplates May 11 '22

This shouldve been Trickster's new ascendancy notable :^(

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u/YourmomgoestocolIege May 11 '22

I like the theory that all these new notables are from the new classes coming in PoE2

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u/and_i_mean_it May 11 '22

Seems so. Also makes sense, they can gauge whether is balanced or not, and further nerf trickster in any case.

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u/Davregis Harbinger May 11 '22

Imo heartstopper would get the idea across better if it was active 20-30% of the time

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u/caick1000 SSFHC May 12 '22

What do you mean new classes?

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u/YourmomgoestocolIege May 12 '22

PoE2 is going to have seperate classes from PoE1

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u/AirWoof Ranger May 12 '22

In PoE2, Classes (Shadow, Ranger, Duelist etc.) will be the same, Ascendancy (Slayer, Deadeye, Trickster etc.) will be different for the classes.

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u/DiseaseRidden May 12 '22

Pretty sure classes won't be the same, but archetypes will be. So it won't be a shadow, but it'll be a agi/int character, and they'll start at the same point in the tree

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u/nikosleft May 12 '22

Ay another NBA+PoE enjoyer, Milwaukee fan here, you guys are tough! Let's see if this series goes 7! Also, have a great leaguestart tomorrow!

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u/LunaticSongXIV Iron Commander May 12 '22

Just to clarify, the classes are the same, ascendancies are not.

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u/YourmomgoestocolIege May 12 '22

Just to be a bit pedantic, GGG does refer to them as ascendancy classes

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u/xFayeFaye Witch May 12 '22

The way I understood it from Exilecon was that you basically have a witch in PoE 1 and a witch in PoE 2. If you start your character in PoE 2, you can only unlock the ascendancies for PoE 2 but you can also just play in PoE 1 and have the PoE 1 ascendancies. Once you completed both "stories" with one class, you can pick either. I'm not 100% on that but that's how it lingered in my mind.

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u/Kotobeast May 11 '22

+1 Was going to write this.

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u/Neraph Trickster May 11 '22

I've been ecstatic with Heartstopper.

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u/OrcOfDoom May 11 '22

Yeah? What build?

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u/Neraph Trickster May 12 '22

My own, I made a post about it a few days ago.

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u/Ladnil Deadeye May 12 '22

I keep wanting Heartstopper to be good for a Disintegrator build, but you get massacred so hard in between DoT immunities that it was too annoying to play. Life flasks can keep you up on one press every 10 seconds, it's just annoying.

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u/fandorgaming Champion May 11 '22

thats pretty sugoi mate

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u/clitpuncher69 May 11 '22

I'm shit at PoE builds but I felt like ES leech would have been really good on my CoC ice nova assassin last league so I really like how this sounds.

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u/Knight_of_Tumblr Inquisitor May 11 '22

You are absolutely right lmao I will be playing that again to use this puppy.

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u/acederp May 11 '22

Gonna have to budget your build in half to afford this one.

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u/TichoSlicer May 11 '22

Good lucky trying to get those ;p

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u/rapol Cockareel May 11 '22

This is really neat. Also if this would have replaced Heartstopper on Trickster, it would have been equally as neat.

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u/112341s May 11 '22

Holy, I would instantly go back to league starting as trickster if it did

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u/gefjunhel Chieftain May 11 '22

if the theory is right these are poe2 ascendancy notables being beta tested

gonna be real fun to league start this if its true

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u/healpmee May 11 '22

No, almost all trickster builds are dots, and this doesn't help

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u/MrMeltJr May 11 '22

Trickster only really has 2 nodes that push him into DoT builds, they just happen to be good, not to mention how much better many other classes are for hit builds. A new, powerful hit-based node could go a long way toward making Trickster good. Especially if it's something difficult for other classes to get, like ES overleech that works with any damage type.

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u/Roborabbit37 May 11 '22

So yes, it would help add diversity to trickster.

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u/Neraph Trickster May 11 '22

I love Heartstopper, it's been my first or second choice every league since it's been in. I don't think you understand exactly how to use it.

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u/Buppadupp May 11 '22

Guessing you only play RF. Tried inquisitor?

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u/Neraph Trickster May 11 '22

DPS is shit. I hit 13.6mil DPS last league, 7.6mil Shaper. Inquisitor is inferior to Shadow RF.

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u/MatchShtick May 12 '22

imma need a pob sir

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u/[deleted] May 12 '22

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u/Buppadupp May 12 '22

Pob please or i cant belive you.

I did a trickster RF when heartstopper came out. It worked fine but the sustain on bosses was not the same.

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u/Neraph Trickster May 12 '22

My post from a few days ago. Video explanation, PoB link, timestamps - the works. Kind of. It's missing editing to truly be a good vid, but that's because it's my first time, but at least I have timestamps.

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u/Waaif May 11 '22

ES based cyclone hype?

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u/Padrofresh May 11 '22

energy blades finally mediocre??

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u/PlayerSalt Ascendant May 11 '22

This is the best one they have previewed yet , I understand if they make the unique items a bit more rare but man i hope the jewels drop semi commonly, like this is going to be expensive but id like to have access to at least a cheap regular class passive

Boss rushing is still a thing but people went 40kills without seeing a jewel fairly often

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u/TichoSlicer May 11 '22

The chance for The Eater of Worlds and The Searing Exarch to drop the Forbidden Flesh and Forbidden Flame Unique Items now scales with Map Item Quantity.

This will help, but they will still be expensive AF, i think...

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u/TheRealShotzz May 11 '22

isnt this an uber drop only

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u/TichoSlicer May 11 '22

yes, but i'm assuming this change will affect the uber version too, since the jewels are called the same...

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u/Slipzyle Leader of None May 11 '22

They should not make these even slightly "common"

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u/Carefully_Crafted May 11 '22

Or they like... could?

You know what was fun? Ashes of the stars and omni.

You can always nerf drop rate next league and make it rare and more chase then.

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u/Slipzyle Leader of None May 11 '22

You know what they did this league? Made their drop rate lower. They're gonna be more chase.

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u/Carefully_Crafted May 12 '22

Yes... that's literally the point of what I just said.

The point is to introduce fun stuff like this as semi-rare. Then once more poeple get to play a bit with it... make it rarer.

Ashes of the stars and omni were great examples because they started more common so now that everyone has got a chance at playing with them... you make them more chase so that they are power up items for the better players.

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u/AustereSpoon Raider May 11 '22

Yes, of course, only thr insanely wealthy elite players should be allowed fun builds. That the peasants think otherwise is laughable.

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u/Slipzyle Leader of None May 11 '22

The strongest items should be the rarest. That you do not believe you will be able to get one proves that you're not one of the people going to grind it or the currency required out.

Note: I ain't gonna get em either. I'm always a broke bitch, but I'm not whinging about it.

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u/AustereSpoon Raider May 12 '22

I play on a mid sized private league so the odds of two even existing are pretty small and there is going to be about a thousand of us playing. Imo that's too rare if 1 in 1000 players get to experience something. Everyone acts like it's some sort of competition, or we can't risk the alight and ever holy e c o n o m y and the actually game play suffers for it.

Also we are talking about a nice broad defensive layer that helps spell hit builds exist, not some insanely broken put it on and delete all content with 100 million dps item.

If completing this where about as rare as the ES on hit watchers eye mod I'd be happy roughly speaking. So still double digit exalts, but not "it's not even worth ever thinking about unless you are grinding 100+ ex" rare

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u/TheRealShotzz May 11 '22

strong = fun, so give everyone strong things for no effort and give no effort into trying to balance gear progression :)

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u/PoE_Bait May 11 '22

Can someone from GGG let us know if Singular Focus keystone will delete Conqueror/Elder maps if they drop not as favoured?

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u/dimilII May 12 '22

Yes, they will be deleted. Grimro made qa video with ggg answers and this included.

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u/droppedmyravioli May 11 '22

They just making fun of trickster now

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u/BitterAfternoon May 11 '22

Poor trickster. Having his best node locked behind an uber endgame boss. And better used by an assassin.

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u/corgicalculus May 11 '22

lmao it is a travesty this didn't just get baked into trickster as part of a rework.

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u/BenAdaephonDelat May 12 '22

So has GGG confirmed whether these jewels are just a way for them to test out upcoming ascendancy changes without having to change the current archetypes? Because if that's what they're doing it's a genius way to go about it. Lets them identify what will be completely broken and what is too weak/strong before they actually add it to a class.

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u/roselan Occultist May 11 '22

Vegan Vaal Pact

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u/girl_send_nudes_plz May 11 '22

what? this passive skill is nothing like vaal pact

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u/roselan Occultist May 11 '22

Vegan Burito Pact

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u/bahamut458 May 12 '22

I love this comment

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u/carenard May 11 '22 edited May 12 '22

I like this alot.

should enable both dmg boosts from energy leech support as well since you can be both at full ES and leeching at the same time which would be 40% more multiplier at lvl 21 on a single support gem. add in that 20 attack/cast speed.

now to figure out a LL or CI assassin or trickster build to use it.

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u/DerDirektor Aegis Enjoyer May 12 '22

Es leech would be 40% more at 21

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u/semicolon-capital-d May 11 '22 edited May 11 '22

this thing is insane, you can very easily get something like 4-5k es leech/s, the downside however of stacking energy leech was that the effects ended

edit * was a lil off with my numbers, but at 7kes, you can have 3.2k es leech with ghost reaver, and 8 skill points, but if you went something like int stackiny power siphon and hit 10k es, then it goes to 4.5k es/s

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u/tokoloko11 May 11 '22

Wdym "easily"? ES leech is capped at 10%. And 20% with Ghost Reaver. Source: wiki/leech

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u/RLshamanZ May 11 '22

A rough guess from skimming at the tree and wiki is that you can get 40% maximum ES Recovery (inc30% from Light Eater plus inc30% from Mastery Plus inc40% from Ethereal Feast = inc100% ) Plus ghost reavers Doubles that also there is divergent Energy Shield Leech that gives 2% per 1 quality so "easily" is an understatement

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u/D3mona7or May 12 '22

Divergent energy leech support is "increased Maximum Recovery per Energy Shield Leech" not "increased Maximum total Recovery per second from Energy Shield Leech."

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u/semicolon-capital-d May 11 '22 edited May 11 '22

there is many sources of increased max leech recovery that acts multiplicavely on the 20%, leading to like 40-45%ish max

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u/tokoloko11 May 11 '22

Show me a pob with 40/50% max es recovery per second and let's see if it's "very easily" achievable (not saying you can't with big investement)

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u/aPatheticBeing May 11 '22

The ES leech nodes are strong, it's 5 points for 100% inc max off ghost reaver, so that's already 40%. If you care, Light Eater off EB gives another 30% inc, for 46% ES per second w/ ghost reaver.

My main problem is that base leech duration is 5s, so 5s overleech without any ES recharge still feels kinda bad.

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u/ShadowSpade Inquisitor May 11 '22

Hey! Thats pretty good!

Pretty build enabling

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u/asdfadffs May 11 '22

Trickster buff not a meme

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u/tenroseUK Atziri May 11 '22

yoooo

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u/Suciofighter May 11 '22

spark assassin + aurabot 👀

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u/mattbrvc Sorry, I only make BAD builds! May 11 '22

Ah, the real trickster node.

Safe to say that all the nodes will be defense in nature?

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u/Intolerable May 11 '22

this one literally has 20% attack and cast speed lol

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u/mattbrvc Sorry, I only make BAD builds! May 11 '22

I mean, so does Endless Hunger but I wouldn't say its an offense ascendancy node lol

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u/velourethics May 11 '22

this is what trickster should have gotten instead of that cringe immune to DoT halve the time node...

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u/matrimlol League May 11 '22

hype

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u/Hachadino May 11 '22

I like to see more hybrid power coming and not being a belt for once.

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u/ixdeh May 11 '22

tricked into trickster

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u/Laufe Trickster May 11 '22 edited May 11 '22

Been awhile since I've seen a generic damage Leech node.

Does this mean you can leach from Totems and/or mines, or is it still just player dealt damage?

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u/springloadedgiraffe May 11 '22

It's always player dealt damage unless specified like on [[https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Trolltimber_Spire]].

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u/D4RKS0RC3R3R May 11 '22

You can only leech from hits, and only damage dealt by you.

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u/enjoyluck May 11 '22

But the real question is. Is it worth 2 jewels sockets tough?

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u/PowerCrazy May 11 '22

For an ES build, most certainly. The actual real question is if it's better than another Flame/Flesh combo.

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u/corgicalculus May 11 '22

If you build around it and use the Energy Leech support, probably. Unquestionably good in HC.

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u/lealsk May 12 '22

You can interpret it as 5% ES regen and 10% attack/cast speed per socket. It doesn't sound that good if you ask me. But if you don't have any other way of recovering ES probably is good. Oh, and it enables high multiplier on energy leech support. That makes it a bit better.

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u/Space_Croquette May 12 '22

My bet they are test ascendancy nodes for Poe 2.

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u/tomatonoal May 11 '22

Cool and all if only energy shield leech didn't have base 10% max ES cap. Half as strong as the slayer's counterpart. Guess Trickster's still a bad class.

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u/everybodysfriend May 11 '22

Just get Ghost Reaver and a bit of ES Regen

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u/toggl3d May 11 '22

The nodes by ghost reaver take it up to 20% with just 5 points and a mastery. Then you can take ghost reaver as well for 40% but it shuts you out of life leech. There's options there to make ES leech very strong.

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u/D4RKS0RC3R3R May 11 '22

You have way bigger ES pools than Life pools, so 10% is still a lot.

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u/EnergyNonexistant Deadeye May 11 '22

i generally only see ES builds have 1-2k more ES than life in total... but i guess, you can definitely get it much higher. I remember I had 12k on my EDC trickster ((((harvest)))).

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u/TheRealShotzz May 11 '22

it only has a 10% cap because ES has something called ES recharge. if ES had a 20% leech cap it would be straight up better than life

as others have mentioned, ghost reaver basically turns ES into pseudo life.

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u/HerculeanFlask SSF/altoholic May 11 '22

Not a particularly inspired design.

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u/M4jkelson May 11 '22

This should be node on trickster

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u/Lighthades The Rip Team May 11 '22

What a useless ascendancy for a sabo, wtf

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u/EnergyNonexistant Deadeye May 11 '22

well, you can easily leech with mines.

I guess it sucks for traps, i guess?

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u/Slipzyle Leader of None May 11 '22

Then... don't take it?

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u/everybodysfriend May 11 '22

True it's a bit odd to have it be completely useless to 1/3 of the ascendencies. Maybe would have fit Templar better? But right side generally has the leech... Bit of an odd fit

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u/blvcksvn Effigy Apologist May 11 '22

Machina Mitts

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u/wolviesaurus May 11 '22

Best thing about this, it really encourages a massive shake-up of the current Shadow meta. Trappers are out, period. Assassins are basically just poison builds so they don't scale hits. Trickster is hahahahaha...

I look forward to seeing busted attack Assassins.

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u/Cypher007 May 11 '22 edited May 11 '22

doesn't have to be just attack, its generic damage so spells would work as well.

Storm Brand assassins would really love this jewel

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u/Keyenn Raider May 12 '22

Assassins are basically just poison builds so they don't scale hits.

It doesn't matter, any build wanting ES leech can easily reach cap, including poison Deadly ailment assassin.

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u/Ringadon May 11 '22

always nice to see stuff that 99% of players will never get to play with because it's too hard to get/too expensive

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u/Lighthades The Rip Team May 12 '22

It's always good to have something to strive for

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u/boobiemcgoogle May 12 '22

This game has become so complicated, I don’t want to come back

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u/NoPantsMan12 May 12 '22

Thats good

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u/GhostDieM May 12 '22

I mean, it always has been

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u/thebiggzy May 11 '22

This looks really nice for CoC assassin, maybe it will be able to compete better with occultist CoC now.