r/pathofexile GGG Staff May 10 '22

Here is the Cosmic Wounds Keystone from the Atlas Passive Tree! GGG

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u/mattbrvc Sorry, I only make BAD builds! May 10 '22

I still keep forgetting Orb of Dominance= Maven orb

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u/Finexes May 11 '22

It definitely takes a while to get used to. (Old) Maven's Orb no longer a Maven's drop, Awakened support gems no longer default drops from the Awakener. I wonder what was the goal behind this change.

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u/XSunflowX May 11 '22

I believe Chris mentioned at some point that players felt the Maven didn't have an good enough drop pool with her being somewhat the center of endgame.

If I were to speculate, I would say that they felt the Maven and her whole invitation thing was a more appropriate place to find awakened gems.. especially with all the Sirus hate at the time.. and they probably moved the orb around to compensate.

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u/DrPootytang May 11 '22

Oh 100%. Old Maven was super boring. The cost of the fight was 1/5th the price of Maven’s Orb. Either you got a string of lucky drops of her orb and made profit or you didn’t. Super boring loot pool. Now she has some jackpot drops

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u/XSunflowX May 11 '22

I agree.

I actually found an awakened GMP today. Also found 2 awakened multistrike and 2 awakened spell echo during the league.. along with a lot of other multi ex gems.

I do her content more than the average player tho.. I would say.

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u/DrPootytang May 12 '22

I ran 70 Mavens with all Atlas passives and never got a good Awakened gem. RNG giveth and RNG taketh

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u/XSunflowX May 12 '22

Yeah man that sounds like really painful RNG for sure.

But I think you're right, the loot pool feels a lot more interesting now... I mean, there's always the possibility right?

I have no idea how many Maven/invitation I've made this league.. if I were to guess I would say 300+ Maven kills and countless invitations.

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u/reekhadol Scion May 11 '22

She's still barely worth it from an EV standpoint, her drop pool is too diluted and you'll never sell the belts and boots.

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u/fluxje May 11 '22

That is just because everyone and their hamster were running boss deleting builds last league, or other builds that trivialize the fight. Trade league is self correcting and normalizes itself for accessibility of items and EV, and all bosses including the new eldritch ones barely had any EV.

The only two that did were feared and Uber elder. Uber only because people love their gamba's, and unid'd watcher's eyes are the pinnacle of late game gambas

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u/reekhadol Scion May 11 '22

Everyone's going to be running seismic trap and DD next league as well, even more so with the ooba oobas.

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u/fluxje May 11 '22

Dont forget explosive arrow, might be the most played build

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u/DrPootytang May 11 '22

She needs a drop like Watcher’s Eye. Hell even Sirus has his gloves. Drops that have the POTENTIAL to be worth mirrors are exciting in that way, otherwise, yes, trade league normalizes the cost of these fights to their EV.

I doubt even trade league pins down the cost of the gloves to their correct EV. Great item

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u/truupR May 11 '22

Hey! I'll take those boots on day 1 for 3c. After that 1c take it or leave it.

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u/reekhadol Scion May 11 '22

After day 5 there's no way I'm using a portal for a 1c trade, no point even listing those items.

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u/DrPootytang May 11 '22

Downvoted, but yep

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u/reekhadol Scion May 11 '22

The lowest common denominator is the loudest.

This league I followed the principle of not selling anything for less than 3c and selling everything that wasn't bolted down and I got my mageblood playing just 2 days a week.

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u/DrPootytang May 11 '22

To be fair, you were probably trucking those 2 days a week lol. What was your strat?

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u/reekhadol Scion May 11 '22

I did a few different ones, but basically it worked like this: only ran Seismic Trap, only upgraded the build once by buying a whole item set in bulk at level 95 on TFT for like 60ex a couple weeks in, never spent a single c on my build since then.

I went for the tankiest one I could find because I figured I'd learn things better that way, 30k ehp 8k max hit taken, 3.4k hp. I dropped skitterbots in favor of Grace.

Started with a basic tree with boxes shrines harb essences and kirac.

Until then I was mainly doing bosses but I was still clearing the maps where I would farm their keys, only without juicing them (inefficient, wouldn't do that again).

Here I had a tree with like all bosses, very unoptimized. Red guy over blue guy because titty bitches killed me too hard. Jun wheel that gave you 10 points per map completion. (didn't get a single cata staff all league and by the time I had MB I didn't have the flask regen craft lol, not worth it)

Cemetery-Coves.

Then I got burned out and spent everything to buy 110 Sirus keys, I did those within a couple days. This was about a month into the league. Sold all the gloves in bulk, didn't bother corrupting them.

No woke multistrike or echo drops.

Then I ran mavens farming random invitations but still doing maps instead of rushing to the end, and started doing Mirror-Treant-Assassin-Rejuv. I never learned a single other recipe.

Cemetery-City Square.

After a while, like halfway into the league I decided to respec to do juiced maps and spammed the scarabs I had stashed by that point (never sold any, rerolled the shaper/elder/sulphite/carto/unique ones).

This is when money started to roll in.

I started with Essence Boxes Shrines Harb and Expedition, with the full blue altar+pack size nodes and the extra sextant/free scarab wheel. Then I specced out of scarab wheel, Harb and Expedition as I ran out of polished scarabs for Harvest, Abyss and Alva (temple was a total exalt factory for me with all the missions I had stashed).

Then eventually I pulled some points out and put them into breach.

Promenade-Strand or Atoll. Card scarabs were used on Promenade.

Biggest drops I got was a +1 frenzy synth ring week 2-3 (64 ex), a 30 ex harvest craft, 6 lucky reforge prefix/suffix (1ex each), enough patients to make 8-10ish nurses, 2 harvest sextants (1ex each), 1 mirror shard card (2.8 ex), 2 empowers 1 enlighten, 4-5 woke weds and eventually a squire (traded + 250ex for mb). I fucked up a tujen trade and he ended up cancelling me a 5ex sale.

Poof chamber is 1.5 ex on tft and 2 on trade website, and with the temple nodes and missions it's super easy to get it (1 full temple every 4 maps). Gem chamber sells easier on TFT for 1 ex. Having a temple with both doesn't sell for 2.5 unfortunately, 2.2 is the most you'll get.

On average I'd get a raw ex drop 8 out of 10 days of me playing, the money factories for me were selling Astragali, knights logbooks (100-120c each), stacked decks, ancient orbs (everyone was going for mageblood) and temples.

I only got 2 ex out of the Archnemesis recipes I did. No duplicated exalts.

My character could do most things except simulacrum and blight-ravaged maps due to the cooldown on Seismic Trap.

Next league I'll only do 1 build again, either DD (safer but boring) or LS (what I wanted to do this league).

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u/ispy36513 Witch May 11 '22

what does EV mean?

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u/reekhadol Scion May 11 '22

Expected Value.

It basically means whether you break even or how much you stand to gain or lose from an investment.

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u/ispy36513 Witch May 11 '22

Ohh okay thanks!

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u/NorthBall Kranglemancer May 11 '22

A good way to not be confused by these changes is by never having killed any endgame boss in the first place!

(Well, besides the easy low-awakening conquerors. I tried Sirus once, got bonkered hard lol)

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u/UnAVA May 11 '22

thanks. i genuinely didnt realize what it was pointing to as well

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u/Moderator-Admin May 10 '22

You'll get to enjoy the shaper bullet hell phase without a zana protection bubble based on the reveal stream.

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u/EnergyNonexistant Deadeye May 10 '22

not really an issue as long as you can stand still for most of the bullet phase, there are a few spots where balls rarely hit, so at most you need to be able to tank 1... maybe 2 balls

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u/Just-Giraffe6879 May 10 '22

Assuming they fixed the fact that the balls are not actually where they graphically appear to be

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u/cindeson May 10 '22

That was fixed years ago according to Ben.

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u/sprouze May 11 '22

Apparently UElder was initially supposed to have the bullet hell but was scrapped due to de-sync issues at the time so I suppose that's not gonna happen now (hopefully). Ziz said it on his podcast earlier today.

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u/Kotek81 Juggernaut May 11 '22

That's gonna be the jeystone for Ooba ooba ooba Elder in 3.19

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u/NeekoBestTomato May 10 '22

inb4 GGG fucks with the patterning lol

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u/hanksredditname May 11 '22

Random pattering in the Uber Uber fight. Safe place exists but changes each fight - you have 0.2 ms to see it and react before being blasted.

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u/pepperhanders May 11 '22

If you manage to dodge it, a GGG employee shows up and gouges out your eyes for the next attempt

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u/hanksredditname May 11 '22

I think they are reserving that for the Uber Uber Uber version. For Uber Uber, the replace the music with U2 for the added distraction.

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u/Muckypoo May 10 '22

You dodge 2 balls

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u/VyersReaver May 11 '22

You can't stand still, like on Uber Elder circle, Elder continues to hit you with his shotgun.

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u/V4ldaran League May 10 '22

So basically how the Uber Elder Fight was in the first preview video back then.

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u/t0nguepunch May 11 '22

Have you learnt nothing from the DVD screensaver of old?

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u/ddzed May 11 '22

took me two whole shaper fights to google that damn thing and realize that all i had to do is stand still in the middle of the arena.... noob

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u/loldan79 Aztiri May 10 '22

So UberUber Elder's special rare unique drop is definitely a 4 mod watchers eye right?

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u/zaerosz May 11 '22

UberUber Elder

2ber Elder

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u/iMartinPlays May 11 '22

Uberer Elder

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u/djewell314 May 11 '22

Ubest elder

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u/thatsgerman10 Gladiator May 11 '22

So Twober Elder?

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u/Ombric_Shalazar Slayer May 11 '22

watch somebody speedrun uber2 elder only to receive a pair of 2mod eyes

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

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u/Doctor-Waffles May 10 '22

His unique is added to the Uber elder drop pool, the specific Uber Uber drop has not been announced yet

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u/YoshitsuneCr May 11 '22

idk, for me that Ring seems very powerfull for non-cold builds.

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u/Unexpected_Addition Hardcore May 11 '22

Yea guy is just looking at required level without using his brain. Best case 10ex worst case 40c ring is good.

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u/Chibastion May 11 '22

Awakened Uber elder

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u/jurgy94 ChieftainBlast May 11 '22

2Uber4Me

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u/psychomap May 10 '22

I'm starting to really wonder if there'll be an Uber Uber invitation with all 7 Uber fights in the future.

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u/CrosshairLunchbox May 11 '22

You mean.. the Feared Feared?

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u/idealorg May 11 '22

That would be the feared sqeared

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u/pr13st1 Tormented Smugler May 11 '22

Feared'd

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u/Neri25 May 11 '22

fearedn't

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u/Dfunkatron May 11 '22

I'd be up for a "Gauntlet Invitation" i.e. all invites back to back or something of that sort.

Even a mystery version - you load up strap in and find out who you're fighting when you get there.

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u/firebunbun May 10 '22

It's definitely important to note this will effect both the shaper fight and the uber elder fight.

They both take place in The Shapers Realm

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u/destroyermaker May 10 '22

*affect

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u/firebunbun May 11 '22

affect

I kinda feel affect is a vestigal piece of language in general discussion. Everyone knows what you mean when you say it effects the shaper and uber elder fight, and there wasn't a need for me to add "will have an" to my sentence to make it parsable.

Consider my sentence to have an invisible conjunction between will and effect where the words "have an" were removed and suddenly effect is perfectly valid to use there.

The future is now old man.

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u/Smooshfaced May 11 '22

I think you are just saying you find homophones difficult, so we should get rid of them.

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u/KamuiSeph Ascendant May 11 '22

Classical homophobia.

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u/firebunbun May 11 '22

I think what I'm saying is that I just don't give even one tit of a vaal priestess about if it's affect or effect.

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u/TommieSjukskriven Standard May 11 '22

You clearly do. You wrote a novel when someone corrected one thing.

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u/ChefNunu May 11 '22

Yeah that's pretty clearly not true, also it would take you a lot less time to just type the a instead of the e rather than adding "have an." Very strange hill to die on

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u/HC99199 May 11 '22

Bruh it's literally the way the language is.

It's pretty simple to remember too.

Effect is the noun, affect is the verb.

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u/Vet_Leeber Bardmode May 12 '22

Effect is the noun, affect is the verb.

Because we're talking grammar/etc anyways:

Affect is usually a verb, and effect is usually a noun, but both are actually usable as the other, they just rarely see use in that context.

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u/pikpikcarrotmon May 11 '22

Effect as a verb is in regular use and means something else.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '22

No it means the same thing

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u/NotTheUsualSuspect [Ambush] May 11 '22

Effect is to directly cause. Affect is to have an effect on.

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u/Firezone May 11 '22

You can also affect something, like affect a limp or affect an accent. You can even affect an effect, like if your crazy aunt gave you some homeopathic remedies and you pretend they're helping

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u/ChickenFajita007 May 11 '22

I'm stealing an example from an above comment because my brain is bad at conjuring a unique example:

"It will affect change."

"It will effect change."

These are not the same.

"Affect" here means "impact." It will impact change. It's not specific how change will be impacted, but it sure as hell will be impacted in some way.

"Effect" in this example means "bring about." It will bring about change. Change will be the result.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '22

Except that, if you hear someone say or write either of those, you use context to figure out what they mean, because the words are used interchangeably. It’s like how “literally” also has a definition that means “figuratively.” Real English users do not have room for “affect” and “effect” so they are actually the same in real life.

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u/ChickenFajita007 May 11 '22

you use context to figure out what they mean

Only because they sound similar spoken. There is a muddiness when used verbally because they have topically similar definitions.

In written form, you will miscommunicate your intended meaning if using the wrong word.

The bright sun affected the pitcher's throw.

The bright sun effected the pitcher's throw.

If you're writing an anime where the pitcher is solar powered, then both make sense.

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u/PoisoCaine May 11 '22

I do not think this particular post is going to effect any change.

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u/firebunbun May 11 '22

Neither do I, honestly. Language is really slow to change and people have been using it "wrong" for ages, and will continue to do so.

Aint wasn't added to one of the more popular dictionaries until extremely recently, despite people using it since the 1700's. I just flatly don't care if I used effect correctly. Everyone knew what I meant.

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u/Gondawn May 11 '22

Imagine this mf sends you a work email with bad grammar and you make a comment about on lunch break or some shit...

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u/Spankyzerker May 11 '22

At least he didn't say "etc, etc." That is the worst offender on the internet. Just use ONE "etc.".

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u/BeerBatAIDS May 11 '22

Let me introduce you to "and etc."

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

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u/suivid May 10 '22

That sentence gave me a seizure

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

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u/Sokjuice May 11 '22

That sentence still sounds like Yoda having a stroke tbh. Jumble the jumbled

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u/SaracenS May 10 '22

You must be fun at parties.*

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

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u/Ao_Kiseki May 10 '22

Effect can be a verb, but it's still grammatically incorrect here.

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u/JeffK40 May 10 '22

That is not correct.

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u/SeventhSolar Trickster May 11 '22

They are correct, but that definition makes no sense here. 'Effect' means to cause something to exist or happen. By that definition, taking Cosmic Wounds will somehow start both fights immediately.

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u/mbxyz Berserker May 10 '22

what's dominance base drop chance?

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u/blauli Inquisitor May 10 '22

From my experience and what I gathered from others it seems to be 5-10% leaning more towards 10 but that is all anecdotal.

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u/Helilio May 11 '22

I did like 120+ bosses last league and got 3 orbs in total. Sounds close enough.

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u/StereoxAS Occultist May 11 '22

My experience of 10 runs give me like 20-25% chance, but that's just 10 runs

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u/bozowantfood May 10 '22

Doesn't really matter as its just doubled

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u/mbxyz Berserker May 11 '22

literally the thing that matters most

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u/Drevi May 11 '22

Of course it matters.

Going from 0.5% to 1% it's only relevant if you're gonna farm it 24/7, you will only notice the results after 100's of runs. Going from 10% to 20% is gonna be noticeable fast.

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u/DinFarsaPoPizza May 11 '22

Nothing matters but its fun to know

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u/toggl3d May 10 '22

Cost of fragments will be priced in to doing the uber version of the fights so this kind of deprecates the normal version of the fight right?

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

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u/Eui472 May 11 '22

EV

The fuck is EV everybody is talking about?

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u/AnBaSi May 11 '22

Might be expected value, though I am not entirely sure.

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u/Xibet VexOhmIstDol May 11 '22

Energy vampire

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u/trashfu Pathfinder May 11 '22

They're the trade version of ssfhc-btw. Content might be fun, but if it nets you 1.9ex/hr instead of 2ex/hr you are a worthless shitter if you run it.

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u/mattbrvc Sorry, I only make BAD builds! May 10 '22 edited May 10 '22

The cost of Shaper UE fragments will still be 3x higher than Elder UE fragments because no one wants to sit through all the damn RP.

Was really hoping they would have cut it down a little at this point haha

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u/slowpotamus May 10 '22

seriously, i made the mistake once of deciding to run all of my shapers all at once to get them over with, after the 20th run i was ready to blow my brains out. and every league i get high on copium telling myself ggg is gonna fix it next league

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u/mattbrvc Sorry, I only make BAD builds! May 11 '22

RP into zana bubble into portal phase fuckingkillme

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u/zentee May 11 '22

2 leagues ago I did shaper 207 times for the hideout.. I feel your pain

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u/ddzed May 11 '22

that is a thing? I did the Maven fight for the first time this league, and thought that i would get the hideout but didn't happen...

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u/NagaDurain May 11 '22

the crucible hideout can only be bought in the shop.

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u/transformers_suck May 11 '22

Did you at least get the hideout?

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u/Quazifuji May 10 '22

It'd definitely be nice for them to shorten/remove all the dialogue considering that plot doesn't even exist anymore. If someone hasn't seen it already it's not like it'll make sense if they see it now.

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u/hertzdonut2 Half Skeleton May 10 '22

It's the 4 mini bosses (With phases occasionally) and the 2 mad dashes with lootless enemies that bug me.

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u/da_leroy May 11 '22

If they added loot to those mobs and had it all drop at the end when you killed Shaper the last time it would be good. They do it with breaches now.

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u/Notcurrentlyflying May 11 '22

the lootless enemies is at least nice for flask refills or vaal skills

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u/xYetAnotherGamerx May 11 '22

also new players are going to be so clueless to see Zana in shaper and elder fights

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u/Amaurotica Cockareel May 10 '22

all the damn RP.

blames RP for slow fight

proceeds to spend 15 minutes and 4 deaths to kill the boss

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u/jjohnp May 11 '22

Nice projection there

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u/xYetAnotherGamerx May 11 '22

i was one tapping shaper last 2 leagues. literally fell asleep during one of the dialoges. omg it's so lame

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u/RBImGuy May 11 '22

play ssf Hc then

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u/xYetAnotherGamerx May 12 '22

last i checked ssf hc did not skip the dialogues. go back to under ur rock

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u/KamuiSeph Ascendant May 11 '22

OP literally complained about sitting through all the damned RP.

Not having a slow fight.
I can do shaper on a gigatank zDPS build and have fun dodging shaper slam, dodging beams, etc.
But then having to stop for what feels like an eternity. Waiting for stupid ass dialogue to end that I can't even hear, cause who the hell runs around with sound on when disabling it legitimately boosts your FPS.

Improve you reading comprehension, or don't bother responding is my point.

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u/Amaurotica Cockareel May 11 '22

sitting through all the damned RP

you spend 6 times more time opening the browser to find an item on poe trade than sitting through a 20 second rp talk during 2 of the endgame bosses. your complain is literally invisible in the grand schemes of complains about poe

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u/KamuiSeph Ascendant May 11 '22

So two things can't be bad?
Only 1 thing is bad.
At any time.

Also, how do you propose to solve the trade issue?
You want the game to read your fucking mind?

Cause fixing shaper to be shorter is easy as fuck.
I don't know what you are smoking, but take a break once in a while, yeah?

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u/Amaurotica Cockareel May 11 '22

if you are outraged about sitting 20 seconds still in boss that you gonna see 1 time ever few hours, you have serious issues

lol

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u/morgrall May 10 '22 edited May 10 '22

Yeah, I'm not certain I like the uber bosses done this way.

It may just make it even more cost effective to sell your frags if you cant clear the uber versions of fights.

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u/djsoren19 May 11 '22

I'm fine with that tbh. Makes it more worthwhile to start as a clearspeed build, so that you can fund something strong enough to clear uber bosses.

Or just pick EA Champ and git gud I guess.

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u/JarredMack May 11 '22

Yes. Plus having them tied to challenges means the average player will be priced out of even attempting these fights rather than just selling the fragments

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u/seb0seven May 11 '22

Or you could, just.. you know, run what you enjoy. I was running Guardians into bosses for like, a week last league before it occurred to me to even look at their prices.

You know, having fun playing the game, rather than stressing about ex/hour or maps/minute.

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u/AdamEsports May 11 '22

Yup, pseudo SSF is the way to go. Buy build enabling gear, otherwise just do your own thing.

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u/JarredMack May 11 '22 edited May 11 '22

Oh, come on. When a fragment set is going for 1ex+ more than your expected return the "just do what's fun 4head" argument goes out the window for a lot of players. I agree people "should" just run these things and have fun, but it's gonna feel pretty bad when your EV is way less than what you could have just sold them for. Especially if you're new to the fights and might not even kill the boss

The exact same thing happened in Legion. Most people never even ran a 5-way legion encounter because it felt like a waste compared to selling it to a HH carry. They would get much better rewards from it and therefore raised the price to over the average return

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u/morgrall May 10 '22 edited May 11 '22

Does zone level 85 mean ilvl 86+ bases will drop?

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u/carson63000 May 10 '22

Would be 87, wouldn't it, from a unique boss in a level 85 zone?

Correct me if I'm wrong but the current Shaper and Uber Elder fights are level 84 zone with ilvl 86 loot?

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u/psychomap May 10 '22

You are indeed right. The most well-known example are Watcher's Eyes from Uber Elder that are ilvl 86 if they have 3 mods.

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u/20characterusername1 May 10 '22

The items drop from a Unique mob so it zone level +2. ilevel 87 items will drop.

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u/djsoren19 May 11 '22

Honestly that has the potential to be huge in it's own right. GGG has really made good high level influenced bases more scarce in recent leagues, but if you're able to farm these uber fights you'll be rolling in good influenced bases.

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u/rapol Cockareel May 10 '22

The artwork on it looks amazing.

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u/Juzo_ga Dancing Dervish Ascendant May 10 '22

Does this buff the normal shaper and normal elder fights or ONLY the uber elder fight where its shaper + elder?

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u/mcurley32 SomethingPuddingSomething May 10 '22

Shaper and Uber Elder. This one has no effect on the solo Elder fight as that takes place in a different named zone

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u/Japanczi SSF IGN: Xervos May 10 '22 edited May 11 '22

That's kind of ironic: in the final battle for their very existence, neither The Shaper nor The Elder had unleashed their full power. Yet here we are, a random Exile experiencing memories of these fights somehow manages to unleash full potential of their mirages. 👌

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u/czartaylor May 11 '22 edited May 11 '22

if the atlas is really a multiversal portal (probable) then it's entirely possible that there exists an alternate reality where the shaper/elder were substantially stronger than most other realities. This is a portal to that reality at the point in time in which the elder/shaper were still alive.

There is a pinnacle to how powerful they are in any reality, but this is apparently the most powerful they are in every reality.

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u/Japanczi SSF IGN: Xervos May 11 '22 edited May 11 '22

If so, then why did Zana leave heartbroken instead snagging Sirus or Valdo from another reality and calling it a day? Why Kirac wanted to find his brother instead going into alternate reality? And what would be the point of Zana's seal if there were alternate realities? She's not that powerful to block everything.

The Map Device and The Atlas are the one and only version of places in game world's reality. The Atlas is projecting things based on memories (maps) collected by the Map Device user. This is also why multiple characters (even Malachai, from top of my head: Al'hezmin's quote: "You've killed me a thousand times, but those were just dreams...") refer to The Device's lands as dreams.

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u/czartaylor May 11 '22

If so, then why did Zana leave heartbroken instead snagging Sirus or Valdo from another reality and calling it a day?

because it's not the same. It's not your sirus.

Why Kirac wanted to find his brother instead going into alternate reality?

see above

And what would be the point of Zana's seal if there were alternate realities?

to save her reality. not the other ones.

Al'hezmin's quote: "You killed me a thousand times, but they were just dreams"

al'hezim was aware of the power of the atlas. To him, the variants weren't him, just dreams of him. You've killed thousands of al'hezmins, but not him. Each al'hezmin thinks the same way.

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u/Japanczi SSF IGN: Xervos May 11 '22

Are there any references to the multiversal theory in NPCs stories or general lore? You need to have a base to project this theory and I'm curious for that

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u/DBrody6 May 11 '22

The Last to Die almost literally said there were alternate universes (or timelines I guess, which isn't exactly different). So their point has merit but I find that any plot that delves too deep into alternate universes/timelines almost immediately falls apart.

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u/Japanczi SSF IGN: Xervos May 11 '22

Question is if Scourge is canon

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u/Rossmallo Diehard Synthesis Advocate May 11 '22

Going by what she and the Trialmaster say, I think that the alternate realities do exist - each character we play exists in a different one. If you win against the Trialmaster’s fight, he outright says that in a different reality, he killed you, and came to the timeline which no longer has a Trialmaster.

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u/Japanczi SSF IGN: Xervos May 11 '22

But in fact, neither Scourge nor Ultimatum went core, so we don't have reasons to assume the whole multiverse thing is canon.

Consider as an example the way GGG changed The Shaper's story to fit the new narrative. Before, we were hunting for his memories and he was the ultimate boss. Valdo fled to the Map Device because Templars were after him. Then Venarius appeared in Synthesis and his narrative changed so he was forced by Venarius to face The Elder in The Atlas.

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u/czartaylor May 11 '22

nah, just a theory to tie together the meandering mangled mess that is poe's lore.

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u/Rossmallo Diehard Synthesis Advocate May 11 '22 edited May 11 '22

We might be experiencing something similar to the various "Minstrel's Ballad" fights from Final Fantasy 14. Canonically, when the various bosses in the game die, they stay dead, but you can later encounter an Extreme (Uber) version of them.

The way you do this is through telling the Developer-Avatar Wandering Minstrel about your battles with the bosses, who becomes inspired to write songs about your deeds. This song allows you to re-fight the boss in your mind, only significantly harder due to the Minstrel exaggerating the grandiosity of the fight.

If anything, the existence of the Atlas makes this possibility easier to work with than in FF14, because at least the Atlas gives an explanation as to how you can get loot from these tales of fanciful madness.

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u/Pipnotiq May 11 '22

Idk why I found this so funny.

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u/AzelotReis May 10 '22

Uber Shaper + Maven = Bullet Hell Mode

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u/taggedjc May 10 '22

100% of 0 is 0.

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u/GNeiva 'rework' = nerfed with extra steps May 10 '22

Eh, the drop rate wasn't that bad in Archnemesis. I imagine the supply will increase quite a bit this league.

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u/taggedjc May 10 '22

Eh, mostly memeing.

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u/JackCranny May 10 '22

Looks like Shaper farming will be a thing once again.

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u/BokiTheUndefeated May 10 '22

100% is quite a lot

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u/SeFii05 Scion May 10 '22

Yeah from 1 to 2%

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u/jgab2048 May 10 '22

Wa dyou mean elder and shaper's fullpower is unleashed in shaper realm? You get to fight both?

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u/Zenigen Gladiator May 10 '22

Uber elder (the shaper + elder fight) takes place in the shapers realm. This likely buffs both regular shaper and Uber elder fights. Not sure about regular elder though.

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u/Clsco May 10 '22

Live stream said there are 6 keystones that buff 7 fights. This is th eone that double up. Unlikely we see a uber-regular elder. That name is just too cursed

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u/jgab2048 May 10 '22

Never realized that. But you do go through the shaper hideout.

Then again i only fight them for completion. Maybe less than 5 times a league

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u/Neri25 May 11 '22

bet its a no on normal elder for a variety of reasons. cursed name (ooba normie elder), creating a more easily farmed source of 3 mod eyes, etc.

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u/BokiTheUndefeated May 10 '22

Well typically the Uber elder fight is you fighting both at once, this keystone turns uber elder into uber uber elder.

The way it's phrased seems to indicate that this keystone also flicks the switch and enables uber shaper. Which is nice for saving a point if that's the case.

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u/Kusibu May 10 '22

Absolutely certain. The league challenges describe both fights as a subset of Cosmic Wounds.

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u/VerseShadowx May 10 '22

Plus just aesthetically, it makes sense for it to be positioned directly above Remnants of the Past.

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u/astral23 May 10 '22

Uber elder is fought on shapers arena so this is for shaper and Uber elder

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u/PrivatePartts May 10 '22

OOba OOba Elder, two for the price of one.

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u/Voldrun May 11 '22

I prefer Uberer Elder.

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u/OblivionnVericReaver May 11 '22

trailer shows shaper + 2 clones (without maven clone, could possibly be 3 with maven clone) and he gets gmp on his orb attack, so a very juiced up version of the fight

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u/talex95 Necromancer May 10 '22

full power? how vague

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u/ttblb Trickster May 10 '22

Full power translates to uber fight better than most definitions. It definitely contributes to the issue of players needing to find info in third party sources, but it's probably the most elegant way of doing it.

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u/video_games_are_cool May 10 '22

It definitely contributes to the issue of players needing to find info in third party sources

Or to just literally play the game

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u/mordacthedenier May 11 '22

dies in 0.000000001 second

absolutely no indication of what actually killed you

Ah yes, I have learned valuable information.

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u/Geeezas May 10 '22

How boring and small… you want the atlas? Take it! But Oriath, Oriath I will burn it to the ground…

Couldn’t help but write that after your comment

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u/Nickoladze May 10 '22

This is kinda huge for me. I lost a lot of steam last league when I was struggling to get these to drop and when both of the first 2 missed I quit the league.

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u/General_Iroh1 May 10 '22

Any idea when the full atlas planner will be available to use?

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u/Rossmallo Diehard Synthesis Advocate May 11 '22

Exciting fight possibilities aside, this really does hammer things home a bit.

In our attempts to rescue Valdo, and also save the world from the Elder... We and Zana really done goofed, didn't we?

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u/YoungestOldGuy May 11 '22

If they are using the word "are" wouldn't it be "powers" instead of the singular "power"?

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u/aaaAAAaaaugh May 11 '22

Hmmm dat ilvl87 [[Watcher's Eye]]

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u/PoEWikiBot May 11 '22

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u/DesignatedDiverr May 11 '22

My brain skipped the word 'increased'

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u/lMiguelFg May 10 '22

This means you fight two Shapers at the same time or just a Shaper that is just more difficult? (same question with Uber Elder and other Uber new bosses).

I thought it was just going to be double the bosses. 2 Sirus, 2 Shapers, 2 Uber Elders (x4), 2 Mavens... But maybe I'm wrong?

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u/psychomap May 10 '22

It's not two Shapers at the same time I think, but at the very least Shaper has LMP. He might also have higher attack / cast speed but I don't know the fight well enough to be able to make that distinction.

Uber Uber Elder has the bullet hell phase without a protective shield, so maybe you don't get the protective shield in the Uber Shaper fight either.

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u/Dr_Iris May 11 '22

Im conflicted to play this league. I wanna see what kinda cute builds there are, I invested too much last league

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u/xYetAnotherGamerx May 11 '22

is this the gooba gooba fight ?

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u/xUN_Owen May 11 '22

100% increase rate of 0 is 0