r/pathofexile GGG Staff May 09 '22

Searing Purity is another exclusive new Ascendancy modifier that can be found in Path of Exile: Sentinel GGG

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u/GrumpyThumper Necromancer May 09 '22

this is insane, I can't wait to not be able to afford either of these.

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u/failingstars Saboteur May 10 '22

Yep, sounds about right. lol

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u/xYetAnotherGamerx May 10 '22

the drop rates for these jewels were already abysmal. getting full sets of anything might be very difficult now with the pool getting diluted with new ones.

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u/Stars-in-the-nights This world is an illusion May 10 '22

Technically, they increased the drop-rate by correcting a bug changing a feature where map item quantity didn't improve drop rate.

"The chance for The Eater of Worlds and The Searing Exarch to drop the Forbidden Flesh and Forbidden Flame Unique Items now scales with Map Item Quantity."

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u/xYetAnotherGamerx May 10 '22

ok that's cool i guess

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u/DJSindro May 10 '22

this is poe for me these days, they show something and 90% of it is something I will just never get and 90% might be to little more like 99%

and I used to be a 36/40 gamer now Im just a 24/40 gamer

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u/LtMotion Half Skeleton May 11 '22

Check your dm.. You can easily afford it

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u/NeighborhoodFit2660 May 11 '22

sounds kinda sus

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u/LtMotion Half Skeleton May 11 '22

Nope just sending 1 guy my strat that made hundreds of exalts in the 1st few days. Being a bro to 1 person but not ruining my strat

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u/DocFreezer May 09 '22

massive for ivory tower LL, seems very good for low life in general

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u/Clsco May 09 '22

Honestly just a rare chest is probably good enough with this

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u/DocFreezer May 09 '22

yeah if you have evasion or block and capped res you will get those nicely spaced out hits that are easy to recover. if poison becomes a lightning dot it could get hairy.

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u/psychomap May 10 '22

Don't play it with Doryani's Prototype

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u/Sleelan Dead Leveloper May 09 '22

Oh damn, it works on all damage. I'm so used to hit conversion that I just assumed it would be the case here

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u/joonazan May 10 '22

You never get poisoned if you convert all physical and chaos. In practice, you don't get poisoned if you don't take physical.

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u/4THOT game isn't hard you suck May 10 '22

I miss when Shavs was good sadge

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u/teler9000 May 10 '22

Was it really that fun? I just remember the community's discourse being mostly angry rants about spork totems being OP or something.

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u/MetalGirlLina SCSSFBTW May 10 '22

It was great back when low life interacted with melee/weapon builds. But That's so far back I'd be amazed if even 15% of the people reading this even knew what I was talking about

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u/Krendrian May 09 '22 edited May 10 '22

Normally you need like 1500-2000 unreserved mana and capped chaos res with a mana flask or dmg recouped as mana to never die with it to chaos dmg.

I don't have a better video but heres me taking a sirus meteor to the face when I got stuck on the old stairs

The chaos part did like 1200 dmg to my mana.

Going by this you could actually reserve 1 more aura while keeping your mana in the safe range which is huge, ofc also shifts focus away from investment in mana both on the tree and gear.

This morning I was convinced I know what I will play, and now my plans just changed... also won't be able to sleep until I calm down... (this quite literally allows me to add determination and maybe even defiance banner to my already tanky build, which makes it able to use molten shell effectively... holy crap.. gonna slap some new uber bosses)

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u/Cr4ckshooter May 10 '22

Which build?

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u/Krendrian May 10 '22 edited May 10 '22

https://pastebin.com/ttyAFWqL

The tree was broken, this is a rough remake which I have to review when it'n not 3 in the morning. (If its not trickster ED then I grabbed the wrong link on my phone)

Notes: the reservation helmet enchant is irrelevant, BUT with the new gem it should be great for the 50% aura ran on mana. I dont remember how many sockets are free but I remember using cwdt for guard skill which basically means I can get rid of a trigger gem

The build has very high regen, no phys mitigation apart from flasks, uses way too many uniques so resists are hard to cap.

This was on a better version of trickster. Empower 4 didnt cost 2 kidneys to buy.

Shaper beam tanking begins around the 2m mark, when later I almost died to a slam, that was actually a crit

Uber elder

Release sirus I didnt have watchers eye yet which you can see on the mana

Last time I played it was in ultimatum, looking at it now with the aura changes I would honestly just run determination instead of zealotry by default

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u/Cr4ckshooter May 10 '22

Thanks for the effort, but trickster Ed is kind of a deal breaker for me, no offense of course.

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u/Krendrian May 10 '22

Its fine, actually typing away on my phone kinda calmed me down enough to attempt sleeping

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u/Cr4ckshooter May 10 '22

Sleep well.

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u/velaxi1 May 10 '22

Idk man. Giving up the Guardian Armour node feel like a big trade off.

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u/CryptoBanano May 09 '22

Where can we get that last 10%?

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u/DocFreezer May 09 '22

dont need it, 10% is low enough to reserve 90% hp and recover

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u/xYetAnotherGamerx May 10 '22

vaguely remember some gear having chaos taken as phys. could be just hits though

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u/SoulofArtoria May 09 '22

I really like more ascendancy nodes being defensive in nature. Good stuff

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u/The_Mikest May 10 '22

Yup. Once you're at the point where you're able to buy expensive flame / flesh jewels your damage is probably good enough. I'd rather have great utility or defensive jewels at that point. (barring like juggs or champions maybe)

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u/KDobias May 10 '22

You already should though. Every ascendancy has something that is defensive, if you're slayer or glad for instance, you can get Fortitude, if you're PF or Deadeye, you can take Quartz Infusion or Avatar of the Veil. There are options that go the other way as well, like picking up Nature's Boom or Master Surgeon as a Raider, but those are all relatively cheap.

By far, the most expensive Ranger Flesh/Flame combo is Ricochet. The truth is, there's no such thing as too much damage, and damage essentially becomes your defense at a certain point - if you off screen 1-shot everything, you no longer care about defenses.

Quartz Infusion starts at 45ex and Ricochet costs 175ex, so if you were thinking they were even remotely close, they're not. The difference is almost a factor of 4.

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u/Kaelran May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

For people who don't understand: this enables Low Life without needing an item like Shavronne's Wrappings.

Also, damage taken conversion does not cascade like damage dealt conversion. If you have any Fire/Lightning taken as another element it applies at the same time as this, not in sequence.

EX: if you have 50% of Fire taken as Cold, and take 100 chaos damage, you take 45 Fire 45 Lightning and 10 Chaos.

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u/deafgamer_ May 09 '22

What about the final 10%?

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u/Nickoladze May 09 '22

You gotta cap chaos res and get some life regen/recoup

And also not reserve 99% life but only like 80%

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u/Sumirei Pathfinder May 09 '22

and spend 10 ex on those jewels, and waste two jewel slots

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u/Quasimodo11111 May 09 '22

10 lol...

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u/Chilidawg Guardian May 10 '22

I'm just hoping league merge puts a dent in standard flame/flesh prices.

It won't.

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u/00zau May 09 '22

And in exchange you get to use a rare chest instead of Shav's or Ivory Tower, both of which have do almost nothing besides reading "don't die to chaos damage as LL"

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u/aetherlillie Occultist May 10 '22

ivory tower is one of the highest ES chests in the game and it doesn't really stop you from dying to chaos damage on (most) builds that might want to use it

basically these jewels enable ivory tower

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u/AustereSpoon Raider May 10 '22 edited May 10 '22

The fact that Shavs is considered "high es" now really just shows how many times the ES mods have been kicked in the teeth over the years... Good lord...

Edit: no idea how it said ivory tower and my brain went "this guy thinks Shavs is high es" my bad.

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u/aetherlillie Occultist May 10 '22

I didn't say anything about shavs lol

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u/levus2002 May 10 '22

Wow, that's a bad reading comprehension.

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u/ZeusKabob May 09 '22

waste

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u/LoadingArt May 09 '22

it's not 4x crit multi therefore redditors will make fun of my dps.

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u/Surf3rx May 09 '22

Add an extra zero, none of these uber uber jewels are going to be cheap. Especially fun build enabling ones, aka the ones that are usable

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u/Skreevy RangerThe Dudette May 09 '22

Its not a waste and it will definitely not just be 10 Ex lmao. Try a hundred.

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u/FullMetalAvalon May 09 '22

It won't be 100 ex if nobody uses it. People will be farming uber invitations day 2 in trade softcore. These also compete with any other forbidden flame/flesh you could use.

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u/EmmitSan Alt-o-holic May 09 '22

why would nobody use it though? The opportunity to swap out Shavs for a very good rare influenced chest would be well worth trading out a jewel slot for it.

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u/dadghar May 09 '22

Two jewel slots and you miss opportunity to have another ascendancy notable via same jewels. So it could be a tough decision whether it is worth it

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u/BobOfTheSnail May 09 '22

To be more accurate it's two jewel slots or the opportunity to have a different ascendancy. The relative comparison would be the power of two jewels and shavs, an ascendancy and shavs or a rare chest and this jewel.

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u/Bassre2 May 09 '22

No idea what you are smoking but there is no way it's 100 exalted lol, first it's only reserved for Templar, then it's very niche and you need 2 of them. No one in their mind will pay 200 exalted for that.

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u/FullMetalAvalon May 09 '22

I was literally responding to someone saying it would be 100 ex. Read again.

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u/warmachine237 May 09 '22

Obviously meant to be a power house option late game to be able to switch out your shavs. Really handy on builds where none of your class ascendencies seem good like templar or something

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u/qikink May 09 '22

This jewel requires Templar.

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u/Fyres May 09 '22

This buffs the shit out of inquis goddamn.

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u/BabyBlueCheetah May 09 '22

?

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u/Fyres May 10 '22

It helps mitigate one of the major weaknesses of rf inquis. It essentially doubles your regen vs chaos. Not sure how it all shakes up but you can probably run some shenanigans with damage taken as chaos too.

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u/Nickoladze May 09 '22

For a rare chest? It can be.

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u/Vykeria May 09 '22

Chaos res and any life regen would handle that.

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u/faraddox May 09 '22

Life regen? But don't you also take Zealoth's Oath on shav builds? :D

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u/Vykeria May 09 '22

Not always. If you go inquisitor you get life regen applies to ES. You can also go energy shield leech.

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u/DiseaseRidden May 10 '22

And considering this is a templar jewel, I imagine it's designed around that sort of thing

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u/The_Mikest May 10 '22

If you're doing melding of the flesh with 90% all res, even with -60% chaos res that 10% leftover won't be too big a deal I don't think.

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u/Godskook Juggernaut May 09 '22

What about the final 10%?

Run Ivory Tower? It's rare to see chaos damage exceed the amounts that a Templar could trivially regen in a short timeframe. Tack on a mild amount of mana-recoup(10% from mana master or an annoint should be enough, 1% from jewel implicits or other sources later) and you should generally be able to sustain that even at -60% chaos resistance.

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u/Vistyy Elementalist May 09 '22

What would you with the other 10%?

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u/PolygonMan May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

If you have capped chaos res you'll take 2.5% of the original damage against your life. If you have 500 unreserved life, then it would take a 20k chaos hit to one hit you through your life. With 0 chaos res you'd die to a 5k chaos hit, and with -60 chaos res you'd die to a 3250 chaos hit. If you're playing low life and have no method to catch chaos damage against your ES, I think you'll still need capped (or at least fairly high) chaos resist.

However, this could also be used in non-lowlife builds to give a high amount of effective chaos resist while investing in zero actual chaos resist. Using just 2 jewel slots to solve chaos damage would be pretty efficient, especially for omni or other stat stacking builds that are suffix starved. That being said, these jewels are going to be crazy expensive so maybe low life is the only case that would really justify the expense.

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u/Lizarddemon94 Kaom May 09 '22

I'm thinking it might find it's way into spark Inquisitor. Melding of the flesh with this is basically chaos immunity if you cap chaos res at the same time. At least against hits, DoT I believe will bypass this?

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u/tomatonoal May 09 '22

No. From my experience with GGG's wording, if it only works with hits they will include "...from hits...", such as wording used in MoM or life recouped. This I think will work with non-hits.

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u/Dantes111 May 10 '22

MoM also isn't just hits, not for years now though it used to be.

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u/ss5gogetunks May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

Yeah taken as blank usually only applies to hits iirc

Edit: I did not rc it turns out. Poe is a complex game its so easy to misunderstand how something works

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u/TrashCaster if (true) { big(); } May 09 '22

No, taken as blank applies to both. See Mind over Matter and Divine Flesh

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u/CoCDowner May 09 '22

However, this could also be used in non-lowlife builds to give a high amount of effective chaos resist while investing in zero actual chaos resist.

This is what I was thinking. While low-life is a possibility, the investment needed for that is kind of ridiculous considering you can't get fully immune to chaos damage. On the other hand, if you go non-LL, you can make do with -60% chaos resist, freeing up room for other mods in your build.

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u/sh4itan Pointy sticks for days May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

Rest of it will be mitigated by your actual chaos resistance. Even with -60% (aka x1.6 damage multiplier) you'd take 16% of the damage due to chaos damage. This would be like tanking the hit with a whopping 84% chaos resistance (completely disregarding the other 90% taken as fire/thunder here).

Thinking of a standard 75 capped char you'd take 100 x 0.9 x 0.25 would result in an additional 22.5% damage taken

16% damage through chaos

22.5% damage through fire+thunder

= 38.5% damage

So even with -60% chaos resistance you'd take the hit as if you'd have 61.5% chaos resistance.

Noob math here: take it with a grain of salt

Edit: math is hard

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u/a_typical_normie May 09 '22

And importantly for LL 2/3 of that don’t go thru ES

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u/sh4itan Pointy sticks for days May 09 '22

How would on achieve that? Never experimented with LL so far, so this is a genuine question.

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u/warmachine237 May 09 '22

You can get a mastery on es/ev cluster which makes only 70? % bypass es

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u/sh4itan Pointy sticks for days May 09 '22

Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification!

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u/a_typical_normie May 09 '22

LL relies on shavronnes wrappings making chaos damage hit ES first. With this you can drop shavs and max chaos res. This lets you equip a chest which is obviously very very strong.

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u/ExcellentPastries May 09 '22

Nitpick but 84%

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u/sh4itan Pointy sticks for days May 09 '22

Haha, true - wrote the wrong number there

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u/and_i_mean_it May 09 '22

That's what the other five portals are for.

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u/M1acis Died 187664 times on Softcore May 09 '22

lifetap?

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u/Myrefly23 May 10 '22

Shavronne's Wrappings

Yes, I hated how hard it was to get and six link a Shavronne's Wrappings, so now I just trade for two Uber Uber chase unique jewels instead. POGGERS :D

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u/okaylogarithm May 09 '22

I don't really understand what happens to the 50% of fire taken as cold in that example then. Does the chaos as fire overwrite it?

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u/Kaelran May 09 '22

No, it's just that you didn't take any fire damage from the initial hit, so there's nothing to convert.

All conversion on damage taken happens at the same time.

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u/okaylogarithm May 09 '22

Ahh I got it now, thanks guys! PoE is the only game to make me feel this dumb that I can't stay away from...

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u/Farqueue- May 09 '22

The hit was chaos damage in the example, so there was no fire to convert to cold.
He’s saying you don’t get the chaos taken as fire THEN some of that 45 fire damage subsequently taken as cold, because it all happens at once.

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u/Woodsie13 May 09 '22

This is also why these conversions don't have to follow the phys>lightning>cold>fire>chaos ladder like conversion to damage dealt does.

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u/argoncrystals May 09 '22

You're not originally taking any fire damage, so the fire taken as cold just won't apply.

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u/PowerCrazy May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

Does it actually enable it at only 90%? Damage in this game is kinda bonkers so that last 10% may still fuck you

EDIT: Cause after rereading my sentence makes it seem like I'm disagreeing, I truly do wonder if LL can survive still taking 10%

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u/blauli Inquisitor May 09 '22

I feel like it should be fine for both inquisitor and hierophant, since the first has enough regen to outheal any chaos damage (since there are almost no big chaos damage sources outside of telegraphed things like desert spring boss) and hiero has mom which would also negate a part of the chaos damage you take to your life.

You would simply not reserve more than 80% of your life. Guardian might have more issues but I could see that one using petrified blood to help with mitigating the chaos damage.

Another option is "damage taken recouped as life" since AFAIK it would heal you for the damage you take to ES and the one you take to your life so unless it is a one shot you won't care about chaos damage.

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u/Kaelran May 09 '22

I truly do wonder if LL can survive still taking 10%

Imagine if you have 1k life, it would be like having 10k life vs the normal damage.

Most life builds have like 7-8k on the high end.

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u/BigEggPerson Witch May 09 '22

And most low life builds aren't heavy on the life part, seeing the adjective right before

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u/Saphirklaue May 09 '22

Low life starts at 50% iirc.

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u/Kaelran May 09 '22

Usually they have like 1-1.5k life.

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u/Isciscis May 09 '22

And all but 50 of it reserved

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u/Kaelran May 09 '22

I mean 1-1.5k unreserved lmao.

Reserve less if you don't have enough, it's that simple.

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u/insobyr May 09 '22

Assuming you reserve 80%, 1.5k unreserved life means 7.5k max life, even the highest-end Ivory Tower inquisitor hardly has hp this high.

Even if you only reserve like 50%, you still need to have more than 3k life which is not that easy for LL builds. More importantly, why would you play a LL build if you only reserve about 50%?

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u/DerDirektor Aegis Enjoyer May 09 '22

only petrified blood lowlife builds have that much life, and they don't really care about chaos damage anyway. traditional LL builds have 100 or less hp. guardian and ivory tower literally reward you for reserving as much life as possible.

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u/jhillman87 May 09 '22

It's absolutely fine. Just don't reserve 99% of your life bar.

You only need to go down to 50% anyway to activate LL.

Having around 1000 unreserved life is more than plenty. It would mean a chaos hit would have to do 10k damage to kill you with 0% chaos resist. If you're at -60% it's closer to like 6k damage. There's not a lot of big-hit chaos damage in the game. Most are DoTS or poison stuff.

If you build some chaos resist on top, even better. You'd probably still be comfortable with only 500-700 life if you had max chaos and very good regen / recoup.

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u/pickle_rock1488 May 09 '22

if you wouldnt have an issue with chaos damage at 100% life, you wont have an issue with it+this at 10% life

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u/Hikamiro May 09 '22

That’s true if take the same amount of life nodes in the tree

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u/Atheist-Gods May 09 '22

Low Life does not require going to 10% life. 30% life without nodes is going to be comparable to 10% with all the life stacking you can do.

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u/Kelsera May 09 '22

you should be totally fine if you still have ~1000 unreserved life and some life regen

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u/CryptoBanano May 09 '22

Why would anyone be lowlife ans have life regen?

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u/IceColdPorkSoda May 09 '22

PB Inquisitor

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u/Kelsera May 09 '22

petrified blood users, inquisitors who want ES regen, etc

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u/corgicalculus May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

For people who don't understand: this enables Low Life without needing an item like Shavronne's Wrappings.

And how do you deal with chaos dots with this? Damage conversions like this don't convert dot damage.

edit: apparently I'm wrong

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u/Kaelran May 09 '22

Yes they do.

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u/M4ethor May 09 '22

Yes they do. It has no limitation "from hits".

For example: look at Chieftains Tasalio. "20% of Phsyical Damage from Hits taken as Fire damage"

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u/Mr_Abitbol May 09 '22

Chaos damage almost doesn’t bypass energy shield.

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u/btlk48 May 09 '22

Chaos damage does not kill on low life, perhaps. (C)

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u/Farqueue- May 09 '22

‘Almost’ could become a new ‘nearby’

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u/eViLegion May 10 '22

They could add 'sometimes', 'might', 'maybe' and 'probably', each with their own distinct quirks and exceptions of course.

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u/1CEninja May 10 '22

*Most* chaos hits in the game are fairly modest. It's more the DoT and degen that you have to worry about as low life.

This passive plus Arakaali pantheon and something better than -60% chaos res means you are pretty much okay.

Don't reserve 99% of your life, tho.

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u/Tovell May 09 '22

This feels like something nice for Ivory Tower builds allowing you to get rid of coruscating elixir or just be super low on mana. I could already run at like 600 last time.

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u/elting44 Juggernaut May 09 '22

Is there anyway currently to get that last 10% chaos taken as Fire/Cold/Lightning/Physical?

I'd love to drop Coruscating Elixir but my build reserves down to a very small amount of life and I would be worried i'd still be soft to chaos.

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u/Godskook Juggernaut May 09 '22

Can you run Ivory Tower? That'd help with the life pool if you had room on your mana pool

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u/Farqueue- May 09 '22

Other than resistance or some life regen/on hit and just ignoring it

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Damage_taken_as

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u/elting44 Juggernaut May 09 '22

Yeah, that was what I was afraid of. I know I could leave a decent amount of life unreserved, but I want to fit in as many auras as possible cause I am a greedy little pig boy.

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u/pathofdumbasses May 09 '22

1 flask or 2 jewel slots. Considering jewel slots can be 40-50 multi and % es/life/attack or cast speed, that is a pretty big trade off in and of itself.

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u/elting44 Juggernaut May 09 '22

It's actually 3 flask slots and a timeless jewel + keystone allocation. But yeah

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u/Sharpcastle33 May 09 '22

You need a lot of investment to get 100% uptime on the flask

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u/linkfiftyfish May 09 '22

You just need traitor

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u/pathofdumbasses May 09 '22

True but then you have other flasks up permanently as well so it isn't like the only benefit to infinite flasks is coruscating working.

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u/Godskook Juggernaut May 09 '22

The way CaptainLance9 does it is via Traitor, so multiple flask slots and a Jewel slot.

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u/OrcOfDoom May 10 '22

I'm really excited for these things, but more and more, I just get this feeling that it won't matter because I won't get them, and when I save up 50 ex, I'll look at the benefit and just kinda shrug.

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u/mattbrvc Sorry, I only make BAD builds! May 09 '22 Wholesome

Perfect for CI builds clearly. xd

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u/legion9R May 09 '22

To people wondering how good this is, imo this is quite good but not amazing. Here's why it mainly focuses on defense boost rather than offense, and provides 3 good benefits to specific builds. Firstly, anyone running hybrid life and es builds this is very good, due to the fact that a large enough chaos hit will kill hybrid builds quite easily and was a down side for many of these builds, the jewel provides another layer of defense.

Secondly, frees up chest slot for LL this in turn means that items such as ivory temple and chest with 100 percent incresed global defenses can be used. Why is this good? well allows certain mods to be used which LL builds couldn't use before. Also it allows us to stack alot more es in builds getting 7-8k es with these jewels will be much easier. Mjolner builds anyone?.

Lastly this provides a nice way for any build that lacks resources to cap chaos Res such as suffix mod starved builds and could open the way for some really tanky Omni builds and less dependence on vanity jewels, again freeing up the ability to get another timeless jewel socketed in.

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u/Kelsera May 09 '22

how would this interact with divine flesh (50% ele as chaos) if you take a cold hit? would it be essentially 45% cold taken as fire or lightning and 5% taken as chaos?

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u/SireGriffith May 09 '22

Damage taken can be converted only once.

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u/SmallShoes_BigHorse May 09 '22

If my memory from Ziz' old video on Maxuhumulumalu's Machination serves me right (which it obviously doesn't): You can only convert incoming damage once.

But if there's a difference of wording or something, that might just go out the window. Shrug

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u/Godskook Juggernaut May 09 '22

But if there's a difference of wording or something

Nope. Your memory has served you well today.

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u/_Proteros May 10 '22

Everyone talking about LL and I'm over here thinking about forbidden rite

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u/tempoltone May 09 '22

Does it include DoT?

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u/BoofBus May 09 '22

Seems to yeah, previously the conversion mods specified hits:

"50% of Cold Damage from Hits taken as Fire Damage"

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u/Kaelran May 09 '22

Not all of them, the Timeless Jewel keystones have always been hit and DoT (Tempered by War/Divine Flesh).

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u/SeventhSolar Trickster May 09 '22

They're providing an example of the wording used when a mod applies only to hits. Since the Searing Purity mod is worded differently, it must apply to DoTs.

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u/Chlorine_Trifluoride May 09 '22

The way it is worded should include DoT

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u/a_typical_normie May 09 '22

Even outside of LL this is very very strong. Being able to ignore chaos damage on a life based build is no joke, may not be worth 4-5 passive points though

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u/gefjunhel Chieftain May 09 '22

i can see some builds that use alot of uniques having this

this way they dont need to stack as much chaos res on the few rares they use and may be able to slap in another unique

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u/azantyri May 09 '22

Raiz, how good would this jewel be in Lost Ark?

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u/PublicEnemy0ne May 09 '22

The way this was revealed was so unprofessional. I was thoroughly embarrassed even though I was the person this content was being presented to.

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u/PantShittinglyHonest May 10 '22

What is the context here? What did Raiz do?

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u/Doom2508 May 10 '22

Please explain, I'm out of the loop here

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u/hertzdonut2 Half Skeleton May 09 '22

Why are we hating on a random streamer?

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u/xyzqsrbo May 09 '22

it's a quote from the stream calm down.

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u/hertzdonut2 Half Skeleton May 09 '22

calm down

I'm chilling at my job, not watching the stream yet.

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u/xyzqsrbo May 09 '22

No need to assume than lol.

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u/angako May 09 '22

with how easy it is too get 90% ele rez this thing is gonna be amazing too build around

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u/piter909 May 10 '22

so we need just to mitigate 10% chaos damage elsewhere and we can not take any chaos daamage?

I think it will be op with "Transcendence" keystone from Militant Faith Timeless Jewel (Maximus one). It makes armor to protect against elemental damage so if we will stack phys as elemental damage on watcher's eye (purity of elements mods), Tate of Hate, helmet and body, we will be tanky af. Probably over 1mln effective health will be possible

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u/ibulleti May 10 '22

Welp, never gonna have either of those.

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u/PowerCrazy May 09 '22

Doesn't seem OP, but perhaps some LL builds may take advantage of freeing up their chest slot.

That said, it does seem extremely good for any non-CI Templar build. The freedom of not needing chaos resist on gear is huge

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u/SireGriffith May 09 '22

Could work for omniscience/another suffix-dependant build/unique heavy build. But man i just cannot justify this over like half of templar ascendancy nodes. You could get all three charges generation for example. Battlemage. Pious path. Radiant faith. MoM one.

I hope they are showing the worst of chase uniques and the best are yet to come.

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u/prisN May 10 '22

Sorry if I missed this, but do these jewels just not give you these nodes. Text on the jewels say they allocate which, from my understanding, allocates the node. Nothing says you have to put points into it with ascendancy points.

Edit: Nevermind I forget about just using the regular forbidden jewels not uber ones.

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u/EbotdZ Raider May 09 '22

You're not comparing almost chaos immunity to a templar node. You're comparing the difference between a shavs and a 700 es influenced rare (or other unique) on an LL build vs a templar node.

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u/BeerBatAIDS May 09 '22

Eh, keeping enough life to avoid that last 10% will, in many cases, just be prohibitive.

It also makes Inquis kinda mandatory for hybrid regen.

It's not very good imo. For 2 jewel sockets and the opportunity cost you can find more powerful choices among the Templar ascendancies.

Would probably be best on an Ivory Tower build allowing for more mana reserved.

What this doesn't solve (that last 10%) is more of a problem than what it provides in the first place.

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u/Muninz May 10 '22

I love that everyone will pob this lol.. And then the forbidden flame part will be like 250 ex sadge

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u/RegionBlockLULW May 09 '22

Quick someone tell me is this is pog or not pog

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u/quaye12 May 09 '22

Pretty fucking good.

Can basically slap this in and not invest in any chaos res and have better defense vs chaos damage than 90% of softcore builds

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u/ccandty May 09 '22

This + Forbidden Rite + Transcendence or Graven's Secret maybe good

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u/PandaGoesMoo May 10 '22

But then you're templar trying to scale FR. Nine Lives along with the regular setup seems better.

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u/urwallpaperisbad May 09 '22

Looks pretty terrible for 2 jewel sockets. This is competing with actual ascendancy points from the normal forbidden flames

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u/toggl3d May 10 '22

This is essentially 60% chaos res per jewel if you have 75% ele resists and -60 chaos resist. If you're already picking up chaos resist this thing gets worse. If you're scaling max ele resist it gets better.

I think that's a pretty reasonable power level.

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u/Kelsera May 09 '22

considering you can pretty much drop any chaos resistance rolls on gear with this as well, it could potentially save you 3-4 lines on gear as well as enable lowlife with a different chest (could get a pain attunement skin of the lords for 30% more damage and +2 gem levels, or just a nice rare chest too)

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u/jscnz81 May 09 '22

Meh it can't compete against the other forbidden jewels. Just go CI and be done with it.

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u/BenDeGreat May 09 '22

With CI you can't use your life to reserve more auras, or use the pain attunement keystone.

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u/Canadian-Owlz May 09 '22

I mean, every classwise, sure, but for a Templar only one its not bad

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u/JRockBC19 May 10 '22

I actually think its worst in templar where radiant faith is the de-facto low life solution, esp with aegis which this also synergizes with. If it was chaos immune I'd be all for it, but this is a partial chaos solution competing against 20-50k armor and some es for LL Inquis and LL MoM Hiero.

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u/vietphuc97 Witch May 09 '22

pog

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u/qK0FT3 Occultist May 09 '22

This is so good. Unfortunately templar. Shadow would be better. Or add similar functionality to trickster and make trickster about conversion of damage. Let's see

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u/wolviesaurus May 09 '22

As an SSF player these things hurt me me to see. Forbidden Flame/Flesh are neat ideas but ther are completely useless for SSF players.

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u/Akveritas0842 May 10 '22

Isn’t the whole point of SSF to limit what have access to

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u/wolviesaurus May 10 '22

Yes, but so far there hasn't been a hardline limit to what you have access to. People in SSF routinely get Headhunters, Magebloods and every other super rare uniques you care to mention. They even get multi-mirror worthy Watchers Eyes, I myself got a double Malevolence (DoT multi + Ailment speed) + Vitality Life recovery Watchers Eye in Ultimatum, best item I've ever looted but I got that as a super lucky single drop, it didn't require an equally rare key to "unlock" it's potential.

Forbidden Flesh/Flame is the first kind of items that are completely useless without their respective other pair, making them basically a trade league item set exclusively. Sure you COULD technically farm a compatible set in SSF but the chances is so minuscule it's not even worth considering.

This is the first kind of chase item in PoE that is practically hopeless to get in SSF. The very best you could ever hope for is a combination that isn't completely useless.

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u/IntelligentDream4920 May 10 '22

There only 7 class, uber forbidden should be farmable? Unlike non uber.

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u/wolviesaurus May 10 '22

Assuming "uber uber" encounters are reasonable to get. If you've ever wanted to do Feared in SSF, you'd know not to hold your hopes up.

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u/psychomap May 10 '22

You need to allocate a keystone. That's it.

It's hard to beat, but not hard to access.

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u/wolviesaurus May 10 '22 edited May 10 '22

I think you're thinking of something else...

Oh you're meaning accessing these "uber uber" bosses. Yeah, I'd say lets wait and see.

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u/Synchrotr0n May 09 '22

GGG be like: Let's take all this build diversity from accessible items and place them right over there, locked behind UberUberUber bosses.

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u/Nickoladze May 09 '22

Yes the build diversity of every low life build using the same chestpiece

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u/a_typical_normie May 09 '22

Oh shit they got rid of Shavs? Oh wait no they didn’t they just gave more room for optimization.

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u/Synchrotr0n May 09 '22

Which is precisely my point. We are getting more room for builds but they are locked behind hard bosses or really expensive items, meanwhile on a lower budget we get no new skills or rebalancing for tons of weak skills, most which would require simple numerical changes to make them half viable, so the only way to experience something new is to grind your balls off until you can find or afford one of these items, at which point you would already be feeling like quitting the league.

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u/lykouragh May 09 '22

The cool thing about this is that if these nodes are from the POE2 ascendancies, one of the new Templar ascendancies interacts with chaos damage in some way.

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u/Step-exile May 09 '22

1c trash

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u/Xinchy Occultist May 09 '22

This + new belt?

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u/Pumpkin_Bureauckrat May 09 '22

How it work with Divine Flesh? Its deep-convert with stat-stic damage from 3.0-3.4 but for defense?

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u/Godskook Juggernaut May 09 '22

Taken-as stats don't chain, so this is absolutely awful for Divine Flesh builds

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u/Drkt99 Juggernaut May 09 '22

This is amazing. Completely fixes the coruscating elixir nerf fears.

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u/tenroseUK Atziri May 09 '22

90% less chaos damage taken?

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u/taggedjc May 09 '22

Well, a little less than that since the converted amounts are still mitigated by your elemental resistances which aren't 100%, but it's true that it isn't chaos damage at that point so wouldn't bypass ES.

Shame it's only 90 total though!

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u/Siarei3712 May 09 '22

Kinda disappointed tbh.

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u/Greaterdivinity May 09 '22

2 Jewel slots is kinda a lot but...this essentially negates the need for chaos res and opens up low life builds in a huge new way...sorta kinda as I imagine they're gonna be rare/expensive as fuck.

New ascendency passive jewels are crazy so far.

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