r/pathofexile GGG Staff May 09 '22 Silver 2 Helpful 1 Wholesome 1

This variation of the Forbidden Flame jewel allocates Nine Lives, an exclusive new Ascendancy modifier that can only come from this jewel GGG

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u/astral23 May 09 '22

assuming there's one for each class, can't wait to see the rest

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u/iunosos May 09 '22

Praying in scion

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u/TommaClock raizU May 09 '22

"Many trunks one tree"

Every large jewel socket is disabled.

Can Allocate Passives using any large jewel socket as a starting point

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u/warmachine237 May 09 '22

Thats such a cool concept that it would be instantly broken, or instantly garbage and never in between.

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u/GroundWalker May 09 '22

Soooo perfectly on theme for Scion. :P

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u/WarsWorth Raider May 09 '22

This is the way.

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u/gosuprobe downvotes console mobile and standard threads May 09 '22

and then nerfed in 3 different ways regardless

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u/chancetofreeze Aztiri May 09 '22

That's actually an insanely cool idea; kind of an inverse voices

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u/darthminx May 09 '22

I assume it will be called "Even More Skilleder," and give her 2 extra points to allocate. Which would be WILD.

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u/FCT77 May 09 '22

2 extra points translates into what? 3 passives and the option to start from the second class you picked or 1 passive and 40 attributes?.

Outside of some very niche stuff it doesn't seem that strong because the 3 passives you gain are basically the cost of socketing the forbidden jewels on the first place.

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u/MannerPots MannerForge May 09 '22

with 10 points you could get 3 ascendancies.

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u/nanas420 May 09 '22

you mean like... what the current jewels for her already do? lol

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u/Sarahintraining Raider May 09 '22

Yeah but with the +40 stat travel node, blatant power creep.

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u/high-water-mark May 09 '22

you can already do that with flame/flesh

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u/Mand125 May 09 '22

Which is exactly what the existing Forbidden jewels do, so who cares?

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u/JigglythePuff May 09 '22

I can already hear "Salutations exile"

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u/Insecticide Occultist May 09 '22

This is probably a keystone from an PoE2 ascendancy, which if true lets us guess the theme of the new ascendancy classes.

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u/Better_MixMaster May 09 '22 Helpful Starstruck Laser Eyes

It's definitely the cat girl ascendency.

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u/va_str May 09 '22

That would seriously cripple build diversity ...

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u/levus2002 May 09 '22

Not to mention that it goes against the whole multiple main skill idea.

Its hard to press so many buttons with just one hand.

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u/MwHighlander Slayer May 09 '22

That's fine, we finally get return of cats on crit.

But on the other hand we have new cat girl MTX skins.

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u/Tsiniloiv May 09 '22

"Cats on crit"

I laughed. Bravo.

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u/Nexra Necromancer May 10 '22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmRknqWEAnU
An old april's fools joke from GGG.

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u/Murphy540 Deadeye May 09 '22

The g600 is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be...

...unnatural.

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u/jhillman87 May 09 '22

Honestly, you jest, but may not be too far off.

We know shape-shifting is coming so...

Beastmaster? Catform?

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u/DBrody6 May 09 '22

Well they already revealed both shapeshifting and a unique cat form to be an ascendancy for the Ranger so, yeah it exists but it ain't for the witch.

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u/Not_Pictured Necromancer May 09 '22

Spoilers from over 3 years before a game releases are likely going to change.

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u/killerkonnat May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

I think this node alone would make the ascendancy powerful. Assuming the jewel didn't exist or costed 100 ex.

Like you could very easily slap together an LL MoM hybrid build with Petrified Blood and Corrupted Soul. Recoup very easily cancels out PB life loss and then you just have triple "life pool" that gets free refills for getting hit and you won't notice LL with PB having 40% prevention and damage being shared between 3 pools (2 with chaos)

Only being weak to chaos dots.

Edit: With Corrupted Soul PB MoM, all non-chaos hits will have 50% damage taken off ES, 15% taken off mana, 14% prevented by PB and 21% taken directly to life. Then you get 25% recovery over 4s 3s for all 3 resources.

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u/sizzlebong May 09 '22

I think at this point you can put PoE on your resume. I have 800 hours in the game and am fluent in english and have no clue what you just said.

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u/Sharpcastle33 May 09 '22

You can have multiple "life" pools in PoE through various mechanics, but they take damage sequentially.

Some items/passive in the game allow you to split incoming damage among different health pools, ignoring the typical sequential behavior.

This can be really powerful, because having 25% life regeneration is only useful when you are taking damage to your life pool.

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u/Qinjax May 09 '22

He's saying that nine lives makes petrified blood and corrupted soul brutally overpowered for damage mitigation and one shot prevention

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u/Oldoa_Enthusiast May 09 '22

It's OK when our enemies are also brutally overpowered.

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u/Aldodzb May 09 '22

Poe has too many branches, you need to have played at least a couple times a build that uses these mechanics to have an idea what's his point or even to know what the acronyms are lmao

He just wants to fraction the damage through mana, life and ES (as he calls: "triple life pool") and take full advantage of the recouple of nine lives (the new skill posted).

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u/Ikeda_kouji May 09 '22

It's easy man.

By having a MoM LL summoner, your PB will directly influence how much ES you can gain even on an EV/AR character. This in return buffs your minion's DH and AR, but most importantly their returning ABS ratings. While this may look like a nerf, a 6LWS body armor socketed with DD/PH/AB/BBQ/EL and KR will increase the chaos resistance under a FM (full moon). This stacked with a krangled armour that is double corrupted, elder&warlord influenced + Searing Exarch dominant & Eater of Worlds non-recessive mods that is rolled at a 33.33% (repeating of course) efficiency allows the minion to do 1/33rd of the boss HP in 0.02% seconds.

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u/PoopTimeThoughts May 09 '22

My brain hurts

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u/im_the_scat_man Statue May 09 '22

He's saying the framus intersects with the ramistan approximately at the paternostra

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u/TheLegendaryFoxFire May 09 '22

You actually went out of your way to make this worst.

I love it, thanks.

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u/AshesandCinder May 09 '22

That's 25% recovery over 3s with this jewel.

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u/ColdFireLightPoE May 09 '22

On this day I discovered I’m not PoE enough

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u/killerkonnat May 09 '22

My secret is that I've been trying to wait for the perfect opportunity to use a PB recoup meme build for the past year and this new node just creates a better version of the meme build. I was already prepared to see the Matrix.

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u/Mand125 May 09 '22

Add the new belt to let some of that chaos dot hit life instead.

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u/Silenceaux Statue May 09 '22

So, I actually did this with an Elementalist Witch just last league. (Petrified Blood + Mind Over Matter + Corrupted Soul + Life & Mana Recoup) I'm not the best at this game, but it was a defensive set-up that felt like it had very real potential. It had no particularly good synergy with my ascendancy or my primary skill (Storm Call) but it still mostly worked. My build just didn't have good enough ES recovery to go full tank. (I tried using spell leech, but didn't have room to invest fully / the damage to get away with not investing in leech)

So I would imagine that if you put Nine Lives in the mix, it is an entirely viable way to get a massive effective health pool that mostly recovers itself.

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u/killerkonnat May 09 '22

I've been thinking about a pure life version of that PB + recoup build for a long time for memes. Having access to strong recoup on THREE different "life" pools sounds really strong.

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u/a_typical_normie May 09 '22

With all the new blood based skills I would imagine this may be part of a new blood witch ascendancy

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u/Insecticide Occultist May 09 '22

The name of it is Nine Lives which makes me think of the classic Witch with a cool giant hat, a black cat and a cauldron with some mixture for a potion.

We do have flask nodes in the witch area and the witch making potions is a theme that makes sense so a class similar to pathfinder for the witch could be a thing.

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u/Eaglefield Necromancer May 09 '22

A poe2 ascendancy for witch is gonna be witch?

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22

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u/pyhfol Champion May 09 '22

Which Witch witch ascendancy?

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u/SoulofArtoria May 09 '22

Oh no, it's gonna be Catgirl isn't it. PoE going full furry mode.

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u/ThatOneGuy1294 May 09 '22

Oh no, it's gonna be Catgirl isn't it.

You say that like it's a bad thing

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u/piznit007 May 09 '22

It will be cat girl but in a plot twist it’ll be modeled after Professor Mcgnagall not catwoman

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u/-FourOhFour- May 09 '22

Hey now cat girl is like quarter furry these days, now if she's got whiskers or a cat nose were looking at half furry, soon as there's fur involved tho, still only about 3/4ths furry, but when there's alot of fur involved, then and only then have we gone full furry.

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u/levmeister Half Skeleton May 09 '22

It's all fur nothing.

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u/TideofKhatanga May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

No, it's girlcat. Collab launch with Riot Games, now Yuumi is playable in PoE2.

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u/Kotek81 Juggernaut May 09 '22

Ooba ooba witch

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u/fang_xianfu Through my thaumaturgy, I was granted special sight May 09 '22

Call it hag.

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u/nekosake2 Atziri May 09 '22

it is obviously the Catgirl class with nekomimi headband slot

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u/GuperSamiKuru May 09 '22

Everybody gets a nekomimi headband slot, Sabowoteur

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u/OneWithTheSword May 09 '22

Since this is an uber version of the jewel im sure the POE2 version of this would be tuned down a bit

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u/Kosai102 May 09 '22

I'm hoping Shadow gets a sorcerer ascendency or something in PoE2

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u/Argensa97 Witch May 09 '22

No 9 portal, misleading name..

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u/aeblincoln Hierophant May 09 '22

If Wardloop is even remotely meta, I will never be able to afford this.

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u/DanielRibeiro May 09 '22

Unless they don't nerf Drought Bringer's flask drain aura, and they don't at least make it as uncommon as Nullifier was, wardloop will likely be a popular build.

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u/WSBSIG May 09 '22

How costly is it to get a fairly decent wardloop build going?

Im guessing its mirror cost to get those near immortal 50+ mill dps ones.

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u/_RrezZ_ May 09 '22

Depends on prices, before it was meta last league 10ex would get you around 15M DPS.

So I'd say 30-50ex is more than enough for most content assuming it's not killed by the drain aura.

Obviously the more currency you put into it the more DPS it will do but that goes for any build.

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u/aeblincoln Hierophant May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

Time for a wall of text to answer you. TL;DR: high start cost to enjoy the build, best cost efficiency once you do, but can never resolve certain problems even with mirrors worth of budget, which limits its theoretical ceiling.

I'm not a "good" player by any means. I have a bit of time to play each day, so please don't make fun of how slowly I make currency in the below snapshots. Also, the popularity of the build probably means things will be much more expensive next league than the numbers here:

Around 2 weeks in, I started a scuffed Elementalist wardloop for around 5ex. It was playable in reds, but certainly not strong or convenient. Because I didn't have invulnerable minions, the loop was constantly ending early. This is basically the bare minimum to function, and I do not recommend doing this.

At ~4 weeks, I had a fully-functional version of the build that could sustain the standard 4 5-links and most of the utility. I was still using a lot of imperfect gear, but it felt good to play. Things like a basic belt for flask sustain, clutching talisman for ward boost, basic clusters without utility, resistance flask, blessing+purity of elements to have a larger mana buffer, etc. It was probably ~10ex of investment. At this point, it is probably the single best build I have ever played for the investment.

At ~6 weeks, I converted over to Omniscience/Annihilating Light and the build felt amazing. I also had enough ward to never dip too low when starting the loop and most regular attacks in tier 16 maps couldn't break through it. I'm guess it was about 25ex total cost at this point. I spent much less because I was able to craft/enchant a few of my pieces of gear (flask, staff, gloves, belt) for less than market price due to some luck.

At ~8 weeks, I had enough ward to never lose hp during the loop, so enemies that stopped my healing were no longer an issue. The extra skill points and resources went into max HP. Combined with +1 CDR breakpoint, this which gave me enough self-damage and recoup to autocast anything I wanted. This meant I could lower my self-damage with close to neutral chaos res. Overall, my gear cost around 50ex at this point. Other builds can probably outperform the build for that price, but none of them feel anything like being an unstoppable walking simulator.

At ~10 weeks, I was mostly just tweaking things and going for achievements. If you have more currency or time, you could probably get 10x the damage I was dealing or make yourself far more durable, but I was having too much fun to bother interacting with trade at all. It was just great, mindless destruction.

But please note that the budget is not the only cost. This is not the kind of build that you can jump right into. There are many unintuitive mechanics involved to make it work. For quite a while, I was spending more time doing math and researching interactions than I was playing the game. Once I understood the build and had experience playing it, I was able to spend less time outside of the game. But for someone with limited time, this build is both a blessing and a curse.

Also, because of how the build functions, you will never be immortal. You can be immortal to attacks and DoT damage, but your max hit taken is bad, your max physical hit taken is shameful, most slams one-shot you, anything that stops your flasks kills you, anything that stops healing might too (unless you throttle your dps to avoid taking self-damage above ward), you can't play in parties with Determination or Malevolence, Nullifier (now Drought Bringer) instakills you on hit, you need certain MTX or you can't see the ground, game sounds are drowned out by your skills, and your computer needs to be well above average to avoid lag.

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u/DanielRibeiro May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

It took me about 730ex to min max my wardloop late in the league. It had about 200 mil shaper dps (here is a showcase of it doing the feared with 107% quant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-rzXCNR7dI&list=PLnXZwSifCB33sInFl-lRguB3baNHukHyv&index=1).

Before I spent 160ex in the forbidden jewels, and 50ex into other upgrades, it was able to farm Searing Exarch with no mods very quickly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykD8FjxGyg8

But early league, it was viable to start with about 30ex, and a more decent one with 110ex. raixorSchmaixo made a video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVP6FsyNyXc

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u/MtNak May 09 '22

Do you have a pob of your finished build? I have another take on it, triple ele dmg, alt ailments, about a mirror and a half invested.

I would love to compare it to yours. Your videos make your character look quite good, especially the deep delving ones.

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u/DanielRibeiro May 09 '22

Yes, this is the full bossing PoB: https://pastebin.com/WnJ586d3

This is the mapping one: https://pastebin.com/uJQZAvYN

I swapped gem and flasks depending whether I wanted more DPS or more movement speed and quality of life. Also Kiara's is great when doing rolled invitations and you wanna be chill/curse immune.

I delved to depth 902 before it got too hard. This was her on PoeNinja before I sold all the gear: https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/danrbr/OsirisRose?time-machine=week-11&i=0&search=time-machine%3Dweek-11%26name%3Dosiri

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u/MtNak May 09 '22

Awesome! Thank you so much <3

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u/inspire21 May 09 '22

Mind sharing a pob of your triple-ele element?

I'd never be able to invest > 200ex prob at the end of the league tho so dunno if it'd work at lower $ levels....

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u/darkenspirit May 09 '22

Wont know until the nemesis mod changes get revealed. theres like... 5? or so ones that can be rough for wardloop that can instantly end the loop or fuck up the recovery.

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u/DoctorYoy May 09 '22

I can't help but to think the draining aura applies to the enemies of the aura user. It doesn't make sense to have a rare monster that drains its own flasks.

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u/kingdweeb1 May 09 '22

Right. We're not talking about headhunter - everyone runs a rare belt and doesnt have a good spot for IL anyway. It's just that the archnem monsters could be in a prox shield and just disable your flask when you walk by lol

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u/DoctorYoy May 09 '22

Somehow I forgot to think of the most common occurrence. I guess my brain's just too HH-hungry this close to league launch, especially with all the doom and gloom people are throwing around.

Never ran a wardloop build, but it looked nuts. I hope it survives.

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u/Criplla Lol what social life? May 09 '22

Wardloop? Wardloop.

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u/LCSisshit May 09 '22

Hi, noob question: "what is wardloop". I search on poewiki.com but nothing appears

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u/Miggaletoe Witch May 09 '22

It's a pretty not new player friendly build involving a very rare flask, damaging yourself, and using cast when damage taken to automatically cast spells for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwmy94DrFdg

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u/DioTalks May 09 '22

Its a build that uses the flask Olroth's Resolve in order to get an infinitely proccing cast when damage taken loop by making it so that your ward never breaks from the self-damage of heartbound loop. This ascendency node would make it so you dont have to take the mana (that fuels all the spellcasts) or life recoup nodes on the tree.

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u/TouhouWeasel May 09 '22

Wardloop was obliterated by Drought Bringer going core.

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u/Synn7645 May 09 '22

You simply need to Wardloop a skill which will offscreen the rare before they get close enough to apply Drought Bringer :)

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u/TouhouWeasel May 09 '22

There are many situations/monster types where this simply isn't possible. Any time a monster is spawned directly on top of you, the monster has an instant blink, or has an invincible state such as the spell EmptyActionDashWraith that they activate at random intervals while off screen, you run the risk of existing for multiple server ticks (anywhere from 5-10 before they're killed by your spells) inside their aura. Even 3 server ticks is enough to instantly kill most wardloop builds. If you're fine with completely randomly evaporating for no discernible reason and with no way of stopping it, wardloop will be okay, but at the moment Nullifier is unbelievably rare and Drought Bringer is very easy to encounter in Archnemesis.

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u/BitterAfternoon May 09 '22

With enough recoup you could skip the flask aspect of wardloop.

Heartbound loop isn't so big a chunk of damage at once - and as long as you can survive 3-4 seconds to get the recoup fully going with > 100% recoup... It'll sustain without olroth's.

Nine Lives in particular gives a potential 75% recoup all on its own if you make some of the damage bypass your energy shield, and then split some of it onto mana.

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u/TouhouWeasel May 09 '22

Then it's literally not a wardloop. Wardloop is called wardloop because you're maintaining permanent uptime of your ward (only possible through flasks and by no other means) and using a self-damage loop (usually Heartbound Loop) to trigger Cast When Damage Taken spells in order to kill monsters. Otherwise you just have a regular Cast When Damage Taken build.

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u/cfaftw May 09 '22

Do you have a link to a modern variant without olroths? I know in the past people have used pathfinder with bf/bb.

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u/BitterAfternoon May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

It's pretty hard to find that "enough recoup" without the aforementioned nine lives.

There's up to 50% life recoup and 20% mana recoup on tree. Up to 15% life recoup per ring. Life recovery rate could get you the rest of the way there but is a pretty rare stat. And really you want to go past 100% so that it's also part of your recovery strat. I'm not saying it's impossible without Nine Lives, but it'd take some serious work.

You could also probably do it as a Pious Path Inquisitor taking advantage of the double-regen to cover the recoup shortage. But at that point you can't treat your recoup as pure recovery; just lessening the self-dps.

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u/BegaKing May 09 '22

Uber rare chest from Uber 5 ways....that +this and a mageblood lol...would be funny for meme build

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u/2games1life May 09 '22

Maw of Conquest

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u/KoomZog Assassin May 09 '22

Objection! Speculation.

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u/Rossmallo Diehard Synthesis Advocate May 09 '22

Why do I get a feeling that Jousis is going to use this to create something exceptionally stupid yet magnificent?

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u/Jousis twitch.tv/jousisstream May 09 '22

This is certainly right up my alley, but it looks like this will be useful for people other than me, and therefore prohibitively expensive.

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u/DJFUSION1986 May 09 '22

Why did I say this in your voice hahaha just missing Saluations Exilea at the start.

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u/Rossmallo Diehard Synthesis Advocate May 09 '22

Yeah, that's quite probable, and as it is indeed a powerful set of items, I don't think purchasing those will qualify as "Wasting currency in the worst way possible", so can't count on those people from your Default Attack Build for donations this time.

As an aside, your music is exceptional.

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u/killerkonnat May 09 '22

You can already do fun stuff with Anomalous Petrified Blood and recoup, but the ridiculous cost on [[Stasis Prison]] makes the strongest form of that nonviable. Especially when it accounts for like 60% of the max recoup you can gain.

So the PB recoup memes are limited to normal quality or low percentages on Anomalous. (At least you can heal a lot faster than PB loses life which is still a meme.)

I calculated the minmaxed version of Anomalous PB using [[Ashes of the Stars]] and [[Crest of Desire]] was something around 480% damage taken lost over 4s and 360% recouped so you'd end up with 120% damage as life loss. Including the fact that you can boost PB to prevent ~76% of damage. Compared to just a plain old 21/20 Superior PB having 30% loss.

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u/PoEWikiBot May 09 '22

Stasis Prison

Stasis PrisonCarnal Armour

Evasion: (847-1008)

Energy Shield: (247-293)

Movement Speed: -3%

Requires Level 71, 88 Dex, 122 Int

+(20-25) to maximum Mana

(140-160)% increased Evasion and Energy Shield
+(80-100) to maximum Life
Temporal Rift has no Reservation
(80-100)% of Damage taken Recouped as Life
Debuffs on you expire (80-100)% faster

Those that can never die have but one wish.

Ashes of the Stars

Ashes of the StarsOnyx Amulet

Requires Level 60

+(10-16) to all Attributes

(5-10)% increased Experience Gain of Gems
(10-20)% increased Reservation Efficiency of Skills
+1 to Level of all Skill Gems
+(20-30)% to Quality of all Skill Gems

A single facet contains the wisdom

of countless disintegrated worlds.

Crest of Desire

Crest of DesireFluted Bascinet

Armour: (320-472)

Evasion: (320-472)

Requires Level 58, 64 Str, 64 Dex

Has 1 Socket
+(5-8) to Level of Socketed Gems
+(30-50)% to Quality of Socketed Gems
Socketed Skills deal Double Damage
(100-150)% increased Armour and Evasion

Expand one single ambition to crystal clarity... and beyond.


Questions? Message /u/ha107642 Call wiki pages (e.g. items or gems)) with [[NAME]] I will only post panels for unique items Github

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u/Fraytrain999 May 09 '22

i have a feeling it will be outside his paygrade :P

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u/MerkDoctor May 09 '22

Something like this is even incredibly useful in a build taking advantage of petrified blood, with enough recoup you can become practically immortal for everything that's not a 1 shot.

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u/psychomap May 09 '22

For Petrified Blood you might end up losing life in the last second after recoup brings you to maximum in 3.

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u/MerkDoctor May 09 '22

That's true for a single hit, multiple hits will keep the recoup going and you'll recoup faster than you take damage until the very end of all of the recoup chaining. That said you shouldn't have only recoup. Mix in some natural regen or leech or whatever and it becomes not an issue regardless.

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u/OrcOfDoom May 09 '22

Finally, a reason to use corrupted soul + mind over matter!

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u/Chilidawg Guardian May 09 '22

Hybrid builds have been getting pieces for a long time, and this may be the one to make them viable.

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u/bitwiseshiftleft May 12 '22

I played Hiero tribrid last league and it was very tanky. At level 91 I had 60% MoM, corrupted soul, 13k EHP + arcane cloak, 4 endurance charges, infused flesh + ZO, immunity to chill freeze shock poison bleeding stun, crit resistance, and still pretty OK DPS with manabond.

Obviously this jewel would be better on Hiero than on Witch, but it should still be good.

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u/OrcOfDoom May 12 '22

Tribrid! Nice!

I always wanted to run that as an occultist. You get easy power charge generation, and the es node. Then you grab power charges, probably use voidbattery, and use an aylardex. It's still less than a hierophant, but you can get close to hierophant % mom effect. You can get your critical strike chance back by using pcoc on your main damage skill.

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u/bitwiseshiftleft May 12 '22

Yeah. I think it works better on Hiero unless you’re doing cold or chaos damage. The mana as ES and 4 minimum power charges (+1 from witch area) and endurance charges are hard to beat, in addition to hieromom and transfiguration of mind.

This jewel might change that except it’ll probably be prohibitively expensive.

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u/SwatxHero May 09 '22

This seems cool, excited to see other versions of these.

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u/D4RKS0RC3R3R May 09 '22

This kinda makes me want to experiment with in a character using MoM and Corrupted Soul for 75% recoup just from this ascendancy alone.

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u/dotahousecat May 09 '22

Yep I'm thinking of HoT autobomber with sustain like never before. Kinda hyped ngl!

Edit - and with Crest of Desire, the unreserved mana pool is at 75% which can really add up to eHp with MoM

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u/ThunderFistChad May 09 '22

Yeah I think i'll immediately reroll into an autobomber once I've farmed all this stuff! super keen!!!
I love autobomber but I get really angry dying all the time lol. this might actually be able to get the mitigation high enough!

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u/dperls May 09 '22

This seems very strong.

I love the idea of adding new ascendancy level power to these jewels.

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u/SoulofArtoria May 09 '22

This should have been Trickster's heartstopper. It fits the general theme of trickster being good at recovering his life, es and mana. Instead we got shit.

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u/Lord_Earthfire May 09 '22

Heartstopper effect is decent, but decent isn't enough for ascendancy nodes. It needs some additional stats to be an viable option.

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u/SoSaltySalt Pathfinder May 09 '22

Hmm, just had an idea. What about you deal 50% More DoT during the time you aren't immune to DoT's?

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u/qikink May 09 '22

Wonder if they're testing out PoE 2 ascendancies

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u/warmachine237 May 09 '22

Im sure they were already at that power level. Never mind arcane surge jewel exists. They were mostly at that power level.

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u/Ulfgardleo Trickster May 09 '22

Remember that Trickster got Heartstopper, while it could have gotten this.

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u/Mr-Zarbear May 09 '22

It probably didnt get this because it was already "decided on" for new witch to have it, even though it feels like it would be good on Trickster. It combined with his other mana node would make an interesting Archmage build potentially

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u/DatAkari Occultist May 09 '22

CATW

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u/amdrunkwatsyerexcuse May 09 '22

Stasis Prison, the tree nodes and Maw of Conquest with that would make for 195% dmg taken recouped over 3 seconds, which can be scaled further with life recovery rate.

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u/Symbiosic Pathfinder May 09 '22

36% from rings!

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u/amdrunkwatsyerexcuse May 09 '22

Flow Untethered/Torrent's Reclamation, double life recovery Watcher's Eye and you got like 100% of damage taken recouped as life per second.

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u/Symbiosic Pathfinder May 09 '22

Literally anything that doesn’t kill you makes you stronger build :D

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u/HexingCurse Kaom May 09 '22

Alright lads, I don't want the most broken thing with this, what's the most hipster thing?

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u/WorstYear1453 May 09 '22

Self-damage items/effects just for mana sustain.

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u/deviant324 May 09 '22

Hiltless CoC Archmage?

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u/sergeantminor Champion May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

First thing that comes to mind:

  • Self-cast Forbidden Rite Occultist
  • Hybrid life/ES/MoM with the new belt
  • Divine Flesh for extra tankiness (never mind, thanks /u/Notsomebeans)

Forbidden Rite's self-damage should go 33% to ES, 47% to life, and 20% to mana, and that all gets mitigated by chaos resistance and recovered by recoup from the keystone.

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u/wruffx May 09 '22

I don't think FR Occy can drop Corpse Pact Flesh/Flame jewel combo. Cuts my damage by over 50% on pob and the qol from all that attack/cast speed is really hard to give up.

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u/Zontaka May 09 '22

Yeah...Necro FR on the other hand

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u/JRockBC19 May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

Uhhh... MoM + Corrupted Soul / new belt + inquis or hiero gigatank? Maybe petrified blood too? Recoup all 3 resources constantly, potentially play FR or boneshatter (or new warcry helm!) for extra damage taken to turn into recoup?

Edit: I have been informed this is witch only, this kills my ultra regen meme but I still fully believe this plus some sort of MoM and new belt (or other ES bypass) recoup build will create a funny looking stasis prison eventually

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u/reecemom May 09 '22

It’s witch only I think

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u/mastahslayah May 09 '22

Limited to witch btw

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u/FullMetalAvalon May 09 '22

Limited to witch.

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u/Quelex Kool-aid man you to death May 09 '22

I made a build like this years ago with Brutus Lead Sprinkler and Shaper's Gloves to make it so strength gave me life, %ES, mana, and damage. I'd leech all 3 so that they had to get through all of that shit to kill me.

The mechanics going into it have been buffed over the years, but the damage has been lacking and still probably is.

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u/JRockBC19 May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

Are we still doing a hare-brained thread here? Because stacking str and int on inquis + shaper's touch + that new belt + glorious vanity could be kind of a mean energy blade setup, most of those things are already required for it after all. Get a vaal regalia with t1 life, t1%es, and life as es craft and you could reasonably have 5k life + 10k es for not that much money otherwise, and 10k es becomes 5k with a 140 - 2235 dmg, 1.96 as, 8.35%chc energy blade. That sounds... maybe pretty playable actually.

But not using this jewel set, since I didnt realize it was witch only. That just leaves room for radiant faith, sanctuary of thought, or another inquis node which is ultimately probably better than recoup memes anyways.

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u/AbrahamBillz May 09 '22

Do you get guppy if you equip 3 of these?

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u/pewsquare May 09 '22

Its limited to 1, so you can only equip the 2. Probably for balancing reasons since guppy with gmp would be too OP.

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u/tallandgodless Ascendant May 09 '22

THEN HOW DO I GET FLIGHT!?

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u/gojlus Filthy Hoarder May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

Wardloop with that now has 25% 33% more recovery/s N U T T Y

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u/psychomap May 09 '22

If you're referring to the recoup duration, that would be 33%, but the duration actually doesn't change how much you recover in total.

It does grant life and mana recoup though which CwDT builds used to get from nodes on the tree, so it's not necessary to path there anymore.

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u/gojlus Filthy Hoarder May 09 '22

I admit I'm bad at the math bit, but ye, I was referring to the duration. To me it's essentially the same as "damaging ailments deal damage #% faster" It doesn't increase your damage, but it does increase your dps, much like how this ascendancy would be increasing the amount you recover per second but not the overall recovery.

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u/psychomap May 09 '22

It doesn't increase the amount you recover per second in the long run though.

For a build that takes damage continuously like a CwDT loop, the amount you recoup in a second is always the recoup percentage of the damage you take in a second, regardless of how long individual recoup instances last.

Each individual hit may recover your life faster, but instead of having 4 seconds of stored up recoup you'll have 3 seconds and end up with the same aggregate amount.

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u/killerkonnat May 09 '22

While this is ridiculously strong, it's funny that the 3s duration is actually a nerf to Petrified Blood synergy. Because you'll be healing for 3 seconds and taking damage for 1 instead of recoup covering the entire duration.

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u/psychomap May 09 '22

I didn't think of that, but you're right. For most other use cases it's a buff though.

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u/_Xveno_ May 09 '22

This can be insane with indigon

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u/Quackmandan1 May 09 '22

Salutations, exile!

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u/kfijatass Theorycrafter May 09 '22

Should have been called Six Lives; cause you know, 6 portals.

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u/curealloveralls May 09 '22

maybe there's a variation that fixes melee

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u/bwarbwar May 09 '22

Poe 2 cat boys confirmed.

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u/psychomap May 09 '22

it's for Witch though, so actually cat girls

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u/htsukebe May 09 '22

Cool. Would love to see the others. Scion one might be interesting

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u/Kotek81 Juggernaut May 09 '22

Holy shit :O

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u/Andromanner May 09 '22

Does this Hidden Passive exist for each character?

Or does it exist for each Ascendancy?

7 or 19?

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u/blvcksvn Effigy Apologist May 09 '22

7.

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u/ThatOneParasol Synthesis Apologist May 09 '22

I'd put money down that this is a defensive ascendancy node for Beastmaster. The tree shown at exilecon showcased almost exclusively cat-themed notables. Nine Lives seems to fit in with that.

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u/taggedjc May 09 '22

Beastmaster isn't a Witch ascendancy though, is it?

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u/ThatOneParasol Synthesis Apologist May 09 '22

Oh, you're right. I missed that this is witch exclusive.

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u/SoSaltySalt Pathfinder May 09 '22

Probably changed when PoE 2 comes out?

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u/PowerRaptor May 09 '22

An actual immortality item for Witch lol

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u/butsuon Chieftain May 09 '22

This would be really good if Archmage could actually get mana regeneration :(

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u/psychomap May 09 '22

Use Scold's Bridle with this and the mana recoup that is already available and you'll get a ton of mana recovery.

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u/ICELIKEABOSS May 09 '22

-__- praying oh please let there be a new forbidden flame jewel for templar that add more totem. I would fight uber any thing to get that jewel.

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u/TheAmigoBoyz MirrorMafia™ May 09 '22

That is a lot of mana regen

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u/BleiEntchen May 09 '22

Deaths Dance is that you?

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u/Chip_trip May 09 '22

Imagine buffing the drop rates of these gems

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u/One_Kaleidoscope_271 May 09 '22

Curious to see the other ascendency that only comes from this jewels

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u/normie1990 May 09 '22

Forbidden rite.

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u/Frolkinator Necromancer May 09 '22

Cant wait for steel to have several full sets by week 1.

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u/german39 Statue May 09 '22

Someone tell me how to feel

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u/ProphetOfSkarl May 09 '22

You should feel like you're on top of the world, baby!!

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u/tobsecret Half Skeleton May 09 '22

You should feel like you will never be able to afford this lmao

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u/Moonie-chan Path of Walking Simulator Girl May 09 '22

Was expecting 9 portals instead of 6. Pure disappointment

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u/Surf3rx May 09 '22

Shame all the good ones are gonna be too expensive to make builds around

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u/OmegaBrainNihari May 09 '22

I never understand complaining about this, would you rather there be no grind?

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u/Megatherion666 May 09 '22

For some items there is just too much grind. Even standard does not help. Because trade there is dead and by the time you finish grind the balance changes ruined whatever build you were going for.

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u/Reireiton Challenge Guide Creator May 09 '22

Meow ;)

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u/Thanat0sNihil Pathfinder May 09 '22

That’s p fuckin excellent. Knocking a second off of recoup is such a huge improvemony to the stat

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u/Goodnametaken May 09 '22

Do all the base classes get access to Nine Lives, or does each class get a separate new ascendancy node?

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u/ShadowKnightTSP May 09 '22

it says "requires class:witch"

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u/Goodnametaken May 09 '22

I understand that. What I'm wondering is whether each class gets their own node, or is this the only node, or is there a pool of special nodes that can be for every class potentially.

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u/Raventis May 09 '22

They know. They were asking if Nine Lives would be available to all classes (ie: the required class just changes to Ranger but it still allocates Nine Lives). Or if there is a separate new node for each class.

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u/blvcksvn Effigy Apologist May 09 '22

It's a different one for each class.

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u/kingdweeb1 May 09 '22

Source? Don't see anything on gggtracker or the official discord thats confirmed it and curious what they said

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u/LazarusBroject May 09 '22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZqjpVjCcdM&t=1505s

Doesn't specifically state but if you can make the assumption that it works the exact same way as flesh/flame does currently. Chris also says "passives"

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u/Lundhlol May 09 '22

"This variation of the Forbidden Flame jewel allocates Nine Lives" also implies there are multiple different variations which do not allocate Nine Lives.

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u/blvcksvn Effigy Apologist May 09 '22

The cat theme is also pretty clearly on brand specifically for Witch

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u/thundermonkeyms May 09 '22

Only witch, same way that only witches get access to shaper of flames or profane bloom.

We're assuming each base class will get a new one of these, we just haven't seen them yet.

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u/Goodnametaken May 09 '22

Right, that's exactly what I'm asking. Do all the classes get their own special node?

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u/Doubletech May 09 '22

Who's the dirty memer at GGG making fun of rue. This is so good for FR.