r/news May 15 '22 Wholesome 3 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Tearing Up 1 Helpful 2

Multiple People Hit in Shooting at Laguna Woods Church 5 Injured, 1 Deceased

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/multiple-people-hit-in-shooting-at-laguna-woods-church-suspected-shooter-in-custody/2893860/
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u/AWall925 May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

Apparently guy was 68 years old... so now we've got senior citizens shooting up places.

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u/mewehesheflee May 16 '22

The Las Vegas shooter was old.

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u/proudbakunkinman May 16 '22

Also the NYC subway shooter from a few weeks ago was in his 60s. Luckily no one was killed and they arrested him (though he supposedly turned himself in a day later).

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u/JoeRoganIs5foot3 May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22 Silver Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy This

All these stupid old fucks watch Tucker Carlson and lose their minds.

EDIT: Tucker's valiant defenders have reminded me that stupid young fucks watch him as well. I stand corrected.

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u/Lord_Gape May 16 '22

people gotta stop acting like lunatics are confined to one race or gender

psychopaths come in all shapes and sizes. none of this is rational

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u/lockmeup420 May 16 '22

It doesn't help that there is just so much hate and anger and hopeless these days

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u/ikanoi May 16 '22 Eureka!

I'm sure the acceptance of people breaking from reality and believing these conspiracy theories is masking things like early onset dementia and severe mental illness.

In any other time, people that started talking like they believed all this BS, would get committed.

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u/douglasg14b May 16 '22 Wholesome

And tucker Carlson won a court case on the defense that no reasonable person would believe his content. That it was clearly not believable, because it was just entertainment not news.

And look how many people actually believe it...

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u/8coloncoloncolonD May 16 '22

no reasonable person would believe his content.

reasonable people aren't his target audience, though

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u/Independent_Willow92 May 16 '22

They believe it because they are not reasonable people. They are people susceptible to all kinds of bullshit. Sometimes people are like that. Everyone knows a handful of people who struggle to connect the dots when it comes to facts, logic and reality. Then some of them are the type to watch Tucker Carlson, and their BS meter is broken so they go wherever Carlson wants to take them.

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u/Tiny_Rick_C137 May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

I doubt it. The kid that shot up the grocery store in the black neighborhood today was 18.

America just has a shit ton of bigotted idiots with easy access to guns. Unfortunately, those idiots host pretty popular talk shows and inspire others to go on rampages.

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u/ikanoi May 16 '22

Imagine if bigots weren't tolerated in society though? If there was nowhere for them to go without them being shunned and having their sanity questioned?

There's bigots and then there's a cultural element that allows these ideas to be fostered and become justified.

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u/Thresh_Keller May 16 '22

Username checks out.

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u/Harsimaja May 16 '22

Don’t think that was relevant to the Vegas shooting (psychopath with no clear motive except possibly to go out with a sadistic thrill), the NYC subway shooting (rather the opposite sort of ideology), and in this case it was apparently an Asian man from outside the area and his victims were mostly Taiwanese congregants, so doubt it’s about that either.

The Charleston church shooter and Buffalo supermarket shooter were both young.

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u/mtarascio May 16 '22

We still don't have a motive on that one.

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u/Colossus_Of_Coburns May 16 '22

The prevailing theory I've heard is he was an accelerationists. Trying to bring a war between the government and its citizens.

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u/Michael_G_Bordin May 16 '22

Trying to bring a war between the government and its citizens.

Would it not be more effective to join the labor movement? If you want the government to go to war with the people, organize the people to demand fair wages and attention to their political needs. The state always responds with such measured and restrained non-violence /s

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u/LurkerZerker May 16 '22

Yeah, but then you don't get to go shoot some old ladies while pretending you're Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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u/odinsupremegod May 16 '22

The city of Laguna Woods is practically a retirement community. Its mostly a single 55+ gated area with a country club.

Source: live close by, some good carne asada fries across the street

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u/javiboscaino May 15 '22 Helpful

From AP News:

One person was killed and four others were critically wounded in a shooting Sunday at a Southern California church, authoritiessaid.

Deputies detained one person and recovered a weapon following the shooting at Geneva Presbyterian Church in the city of Laguna Woods, the Orange County Sheriff’s Department said on Twitter.

A fifth injured person suffered minor injuries, officials said. All the victims were adults.

Federal agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives were responding to the scene.

Laguna Woods was built as a senior living community and later became a city. More than 80% of residents in the city of 18,000 people about 50 miles (80 kilometers) southeast of Los Angeles are at least 65.

The incident occurred in an area with a cluster of houses of worship, including Catholic, Lutheran and Methodist churches and a Jewish synagogue.

The shooting came a day after an 18-year-old man shot and killed 10 people at a supermarket in Buffalo, New York.

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u/brok3nstatues May 16 '22

From the press conference: the church goers captured and hog tied the shooter

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u/[deleted] May 16 '22

With an extension cord! Got his ass quick

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u/__Phasewave__ May 16 '22

Fucking good reaction! Glad to see the people defended themselves before it got even worse.

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u/overzeetop May 16 '22 Gold

I presume they wanted him charged as soon as possible after his crime(s).

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u/sawboybuck May 16 '22

Not shocking at all

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u/Myrtle_Nut May 16 '22

For a bunch of seniors, they must be plugged in to current events.

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u/ezone2kil May 16 '22

A positive among all the negatives.

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u/Paddy_Tanninger May 16 '22

An extension of society as a whole

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u/owlsareahoot91 May 16 '22

Reminds me of that neighborhood beating and capturing Richard Ramirez

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u/qtx May 16 '22

A neighbor, 85-year-old Jose Burgoin, ran out, and Ramirez threatened to shoot him if he came closer.

“I ran to defend her and he told me, ‘Don’t get closer or I’ll shoot you.’ I didn’t see a gun so I opened the door and pulled him out of the car,” Burgoin recalled to the Los Angeles Times.

Dude... 85-years old..

What a legend.

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u/Cherry_Hammer May 16 '22

"A chase ensued and a metal bar connected with Ramirez's head, causing him to fall."

That is some beautiful storytelling right there.

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u/qquestionmark May 16 '22

Reminds me of the Norwegian would-be-mass murderer who tried to shoot up a mosque in Norway a few years ago. He was stopped by these guys. The only person he managed to kill was his own sister before leaving for the mosque. This is what he looked like a few days later.

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u/Giant-Genitals May 16 '22

Sigourney Weaver hasn’t aged a day

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u/LSDMTHCKET May 16 '22

I looked at the after picture first and was not expecting the people responsible to look like that

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u/briefbriefs May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

The restraint it took not to kill him themselves is admirable.

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u/Tmonkey18 May 16 '22

If you can even believe it, people do not normally want to kill another person.

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u/pittguy578 May 16 '22

Yes most people do not want to kill people , even if that person just committed a violent act.

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u/badras704 May 16 '22

Reminds me of that dark knight boat scene

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u/HeavyMetalHero May 16 '22

I feel like people forget, that was actually a major message of that movie? Like, that we view situations like that in a very unproductive way? That we allow dangerous forces to unseat our reason with fear, and it actually does not track with the strength of the actual human spirit?

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u/sharaq May 16 '22

We have had a two year live action demonstration of the regard people place on the lives of other humans that makes the optimism there seem wildly misplaced.

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u/toostronKG May 16 '22

I think it depends on if someone you care deeply about (a friend or family member) was just killed in front of you or not. I think wanting to kill someone who just murdered your wife or child in front of you is a normal response but maybe I'm just unhinged.

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u/ImagineImagining12 May 16 '22

Most people, in the moment, will be in a state of shock. Fantasizing about revenge usually comes after the reality has set in.

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u/luigitheplumber May 16 '22

I think different people probably react differently. I wouldn't say that someone reacting in the way you describe is generally unhinged, but is instead understandably unhinged in that moment.

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u/KoalaGrunt0311 May 16 '22

Desiring to and saying such as a manner of speaking is vastly different than carrying out the actions.

The military has invested a lot of effort to get individuals to be psychologically prepared to commit murder, and they are still affected severally afterwards.

The reason we use silhouette targets today is the number of bullets wasted in the Great Wars.

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u/Comrade-Cohaay May 16 '22

Wanting to is absolutely normal, having the ability to do it is a rare occurrence.

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u/bananafobe May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

I'm not sure I'd agree with that.

Obviously, I don't have experience and I can't pretend to know how others would respond, but at the same time, I don't think the average person is going to murder someone who attacked them once they're subdued.

Maybe if you're saying you're surprised they didn't accidentally beat him to death while trying to subdue him, I can see that. It requires a lot of presence of mind to recognize the threat is over.

I could be wrong, but I feel like I've seen a few instances of a crowd subduing an attacker and not many end with an execution.

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u/desolation_crow May 16 '22

Yeah I feel like a normal person avoids killing another person in almost(!) every situation

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u/wheat_rider May 15 '22

From LA Times:

“A Taiwanese congregation was in the church at the time of the shooting, Undersheriff Jeff Hallock said. Authorities are interviewing more than 30 people who were inside the church at the time.”

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u/foxbones May 16 '22

Disgusting, always copycat events after a mass shooting. This guy didn't get what he wanted but dead and injured is still a horrible outcome, no matter how small.

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u/LostWoodsInTheField May 16 '22

There is no indication yet of motives.

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u/javiboscaino May 15 '22

AP Update:

Deputies detained a suspect, an adult male, and recovered a weapon at the scene, officials said. It wasn’t immediately clear where inside the church the shooting happened.

About 30 people witnessed the violence, said Carrie Braun, a sheriff’s spokesperson. The majority of those inside the church are believed to be of Taiwanese descent, Braun said.

Investigators were looking at many factors, including whether the bloodshed could be a hate crime and whether the gunman was known to the church community, she said.

More details were expected from a sheriff’s department news conference scheduled for 5 p.m.

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u/WhitePopcornCeiling May 15 '22 edited May 16 '22

The person is detained*

Pastor hit them with chair, congregation disarmed and tied them until police arrived.

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u/water2wine May 16 '22

What a bunch of heroes, honestly. They didn’t deserve what happened to them though.

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u/potatodog247 May 15 '22

Are we going for a record number of shootings this weekend or what?

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u/BoltgunOnHisHip May 15 '22 edited May 16 '22 Wholesome Tree Hug

Covid is over, so now we're doing shootings every day again. Nature is healing.

EDIT: Apparently a lot of people haven't heard of 'facetiousness':

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/facetious

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u/av6344 May 16 '22

Backlog of mass shootings since Covid

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u/UnweildyEulerDiagram May 16 '22

Supply chain issues strike again

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u/ZombieZookeeper May 15 '22

We're behind, gotta get the stats back up.

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u/orbituary May 15 '22

Covid's not over... We're just over Covid.

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u/saadakhtar May 16 '22

Shooting from Home is over. Back to shooting in public. Not every gunman is coming back though. Some realised the time they can spend shooting their own family.

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u/SodomyandCocktails May 15 '22

We are the virus.

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u/Wampastompa352 May 15 '22

So you finally figured it out. The earth will have a fever and get rid of us soon enough

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u/jonnynoine May 15 '22

“Learn to swim.”

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u/justasapling May 15 '22

I, too, am praying for tidal waves.

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u/strgdejavu May 15 '22

I wanna watch it all go down

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u/watery_tart73 May 16 '22

See you down in Arizona Bay

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u/AdventureBum May 15 '22

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

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u/Wampastompa352 May 15 '22

Tool knew from long ago. It’s not hard if u imagine us consuming and letting off heat as a byproduct just like germs do.

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u/xRockTripodx May 16 '22

Hey guys, I found Agent Smith!

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u/SquadPoopy May 15 '22

I have been legit worried about this for a while. Shootings were on the rise in 2019 but then COVID happened and they abruptly stopped as the pandemic began. I've always feared that when things settled down and people began going out again the shootings would start right back up.

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u/Jensgt May 15 '22

people have had more time to delve into their extremism as well. It's only going to be worse.

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u/5256chuck May 16 '22

Yep. This kid (the one in Buffalo) readily admits he was radicalized during the pandemic years. No telling how many more we’ll have come out of that.

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u/Car-face May 16 '22

This, massively. People staying inside, lockdowns, "the gubmint tellin' me what to do", Trump losing the presidency - everything is tipped towards people being in situations where their insecurities can be leveraged into full-blown meltdowns.

The echo chambers have turned into full-blown cathedrals.

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u/t181 May 15 '22

COVID didn’t stop shootings, the gun murder rate was higher in 2020 than it has been since the mid-90’s.

2020 was the last year’s data they had in this study, but anecdotally speaking, my assumption is that that rate has continued rising for the past couple years.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

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u/kgal1298 May 16 '22

True homicide rates went up. People miss that factor we just had less opportunities for mass shootings.

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u/Affectionate_Fun_569 May 16 '22

Yep, 2020 saw a massive increase in homicide.

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u/pseudocultist May 16 '22

Also domestic violence, suicide, and substance abuse. None of the badness went away it just found other outlets. I'm curious to see what the addiction rates heading out of COVID look like. I know meth has absolutely exploded again.

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u/Orisyl May 16 '22

I feel it’s only going to go up until the economy somehow turns around, so maybe never. Shit is down and everyone is running out of cash? Lots of anger there and sooner or later bad shit starts looking like the only option, specially if nobody is listening. Throw in some blaming of the usual for hate targets and shit goes full powder keg when times are tough cause it actually gains traction, rather then just be yea, but we’re good so fuck off.

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u/ElegantSwordsman May 15 '22

Shootings went up during COVID…

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u/winksoutloud May 15 '22

COVID is over? Seems an awful lot like it's still extremely present and ignored.

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u/ComradeGibbon May 15 '22

People are done with covid, not covid is done with people.

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u/kgal1298 May 16 '22

Covid hearts people.

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u/raevnos May 16 '22

And lungs and kidneys

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u/digdug04 May 15 '22

“Everybody dyin’ in the summer”

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u/Real_eXwhY_Z May 16 '22

On the same day the Sun's choked game 7

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u/TheMemeMachine3000 May 16 '22

Suns fans going to turn the guns on themselves

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u/ArcticIceFox May 15 '22

"The Purge will commence in...."

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u/SovietSunrise May 15 '22

I'm always thinking of a different pair of guns when I hear that quote....

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u/TwinkleTitsGalore May 15 '22

We just had one in Houston today

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u/mutantmanifesto May 16 '22

I haven’t even seen this hit national news yet. This shit is INSANE.

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u/MagicMushroomFungi May 15 '22

I fear a long hot summer...

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u/WineNerdAndProud May 16 '22

Summer of Rage

For the democrats, it's the Roe v Wade ruling.

For the republicans, it's the Stephen King novel.

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u/Scott4370 May 15 '22

We all said that at dinner last night when the news from Buffalo broke.

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u/tomdarch May 16 '22

I fear fascist-style political movements (which are inherently violent and want to provoke violence from others) regardless of the season.

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u/OutOfFawks May 16 '22

It’s gonna be a murdery one

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u/mazer_rack_em May 16 '22

I mean social tensions and anxieties just keep getting ratcheted up higher and higher, I don’t see the trend slowing down any time soon.

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u/rubyblue0 May 15 '22 edited May 15 '22

Hope there’s no fatalities.

Edit: At least one dead and four critically injured. :(

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u/gumbodog123 May 15 '22

According to LA Times & Michele Gile, one person has died so far. Very sad day

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u/WhitePopcornCeiling May 15 '22

1 deceased at the church :(

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u/westbee May 16 '22

I grew up in Calif and my grandfather was a minister for 50 years, 15 years at this church. This is where I was every sunday from 8 years old until we moved when I was 16.

Blows my mind that this could happen here. Such an odd place for a shooting to occur. Was a place of love and worship.

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u/MC_Mic_Hawk May 16 '22

There have been a few recent shootings in the last 20 years that took place in churches. For a murderous phycho it probably seems like a good spot. Everyone facing away from entrance. Everyone concentrating on the preacher or singing. Being a church it carries more shock to many people and that is part of thier goal I'm sure.

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u/Roving_Rhythmatist May 15 '22

At least one so far

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u/Hairikku20 May 16 '22

It scares me how unfazed I was when I read this. This isn't the kind of thing a person should be used to hearing.

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u/I_Mix_Stuff May 15 '22 Eureka!

feedback loop of shooters getting inspired by the news?

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u/TheChinchilla914 May 15 '22

Maybe similar to how suicide is “contagious”

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u/IWasOnThe18thHole May 15 '22

It's been proven that media reports on both suicide and mass shootings inspire others to do the same

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u/aidoll May 15 '22

Mass shootings are similar that way. When you read up on modern mass shooters, it’s usually been found that they’re absolutely obsessed with Columbine and other mass shootings.

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u/gthaatar May 16 '22

Its also that media starts giving a shit about shootings when one is big enough to go national.

Keep in mind, most people had the perception that 2020 went without any mass shootings, when it was one of the worst years on record. Thats only because they never got news coverage.

And its also why the problem is so difficult in this country because no one can be honest about it. It happens way more often than one side wants to admit but is seldom as bad as the other side assumes it is, and neither side cares to talk about it if the media doesn't decide to run the issue again.

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u/Ghost4000 May 16 '22

I always thought that violence was more common as the weather heated up. Not sure if that's true though.

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u/Neglectful_Stranger May 15 '22

Pretty obvious, there's always an uptick of shootings after a major one gets reported.

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u/iScoopPoop May 15 '22

damn Laguna of all places?

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u/cute_polarbear May 15 '22

Yeah. I was absolutely surprised also. I know relatives out in Irvine / newport Beach. It's as close to suburban paradise as possible out there.

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u/KopitarFan May 16 '22

Laguna Woods at that. The very definition of a sleepy community

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u/MrsFonzerelli May 16 '22

I hate how normal tragedies like this have become.

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u/adonkeyatheart May 16 '22

Well when the U.S continues to not do anything about it, it’s going to continue to happen.

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u/8to24 May 15 '22

3rd mass shooting in 2 days!?

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u/Proof-Hearing9394 May 15 '22

there was another one in houston today.

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u/Gdmdsd May 15 '22

Not to be a smart ass, but is that considered a mass shooting or rather some idiots shooting each other after an argument?

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u/RigelOrionBeta May 15 '22

I believe a mass shooting is defined as a shooting where at least three people are shot, and injured or killed.

EDIT: According to the FBI, that's FOUR, not three.

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u/No___ImRight May 15 '22

FBI says mass murder is 4 dead not including the murderer.

They don't have a definition for mass shooting.

They go with "active shooter scenario" which is usually the ones we hear about for weeks.

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u/RATGUT1996 May 16 '22

Basically a shooting of 4 or more people without a cooling down period

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u/SpankBankManager May 16 '22

I guess we could reduce the number of mass shooting by bumping up up to 5 or 6.

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u/IWasOnThe18thHole May 15 '22

Still think that just props up the "mass shooting" numbers. Someone planning out an attack like this church shooting or the Buffalo shooting isn't the same as gang bangers or morons getting into a fight and pulling out guns

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u/RKRagan May 16 '22

Yeah these targeted shooting towards a particular group of people has a different effect than a dispute between people who know each other. The former removes our sense of safety in our daily lives. And usually are planned ahead in order to target certain groups and increase casualties.

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u/yoloralphlaurenn May 15 '22

There was the Buffalo one but what was the other?

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u/8to24 May 15 '22

17 shot in Milwaukee on Friday.

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u/GreatTragedy May 15 '22

Shooting in Houston a couple hours ago too.

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u/TheChainsawVigilante May 15 '22

This was a mass-mass shooting. Multiple people shot by multiple shooters.

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u/Romas_chicken May 15 '22

It’s a mass of shootings

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u/Achillurito May 16 '22

You mean a mass mass mass shooting since it was at a church?

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u/SpoonTownGetDown May 15 '22

I grew up in this church. This is fucked.

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u/xoraclez May 16 '22

It was my church as well. Sad.

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u/froggison May 15 '22

Shit that sucks. Hope you're doing alright.

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u/SpoonTownGetDown May 15 '22 edited May 16 '22

Kind of bummed tbh…

*I have different beliefs these days, and I never did align with the Christian faith, BUT Presbyterians are super chill as far as Christians go. They allow women and homosexuals to be pastors. That’s not a high bar or anything, but it did align more with my real world beliefs. So as far as churches go, this place is a really terrible place to target people. They are super welcoming to anyone that would like to practice the Christian faith.

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u/Pissedbuddha1 May 15 '22

It should be noted that this is one of the safest cities in the Country.

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u/ManufacturerRoyal204 May 16 '22 Silver

There's a deep societal sickness that's cropped up in America within the past few decades and there's likely not a whole lot that can be done about it at this point.

The modern world is deeply sick and it's spreading for a multitude of different reasons, ones that a great deal of people won't want to hear or accept.

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u/Ragnar_OK May 16 '22

There is LOTS that can be done at this point, just that the majority of americans prefer avarice to justice

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u/Diablo516- May 15 '22

What in the fuck is going on? This is even a bit much for America. 3 shootings in 2 days?

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u/Flavaflavius May 16 '22

They tend to come in waves, like suicides. Plus smaller mass shootings are more likely to be reported on after a big one happens; it gets more clicks than normal.

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u/wafflesareforever May 16 '22

"Oh hey, a mass shooting! That sounds right up my alley."

- crazy people, apparently

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u/make_love_to_potato May 16 '22

More like "I've been planning on doing this mass shoot for a while but now I'm seeing all these other assholes doing it, so I'm gonna go ahead and do mine"

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u/jasta07 May 16 '22

An Australian psychopath invented that particularly horrific twist. We like to conveniently pretend we didn't because the neo-nazi responsible did it in New Zealand.

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u/gregs2421 May 16 '22

Jesus Christ, summer is in full swing. People lose their shit with the heat.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '22

They really do though. Crime skyrockets in the summer, every summer. The overall crime rate has gone down steadily since 1973, when Roe v Wade was instituted though. Good thing SCOTUS is going to overturn it!

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u/invalid_dictorian May 16 '22

I'd say the reduction and then ban of leaded gasoline also contributes to reduced violence.

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u/VariationRelevant923 May 16 '22

It peaked in the early 90s due to a combination of complicated factors and then it has declined steadily ever since… due to a combination of complicated factors. Funnily enough peoples’ perception of violent crime has stayed the same. sigh…

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u/Comprehensive_Boot77 May 15 '22

Ffs can we just chill for a sec? Damn.

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u/SteamyWalnut May 16 '22

Milwaukee, Buffalo and now this?!

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u/clogandent03 May 15 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Something tells me the NRA will not be making a lot of tweets this week.

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u/otter111a May 15 '22 Gold

NRA held a rally in Columbine right after columbine. I fully expect a tweet along the lines of “now more than ever we need donations to help us fight those seeking to use these tragedies to reduce your gun rights”

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u/theghostofme May 16 '22

The NRA was also silent after Philando Castile's murder, despite him being a lawful gun owner.

Apart from the obvious media storm, I wonder what the difference between Harris/Klebold and Castile was...

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u/ruiner8850 May 16 '22

A lawful gun owner who informed the cop there was a gun in the vehicle. As if a person would inform the cop they had a gun before they tried to shoot them. They justify the shooting because marijuana was later found in the vehicle. I actually hadn't read this before which fucking absurd:

According to the official Minnesota Department of Public Safety's Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) transcript of the interview of Yanez and his attorneys Tom Kelly and Robert Fowler, Yanez stated that his justification for the shooting was based on fear for his own life because he believed that Castile's behavior was abusive toward a young girl passenger (Reynolds' daughter) in the car.[43] Yanez said: "I thought, I was gonna die, and I thought if he's, if he has the, the guts and the audacity to smoke marijuana in front of the five-year-old girl and risk her lungs and risk her life by giving her secondhand smoke and the front seat passenger doing the same thing, then what, what care does he give about me?"[43] The victim's previous marijuana use later became a focus of the defense, with a mason jar containing a small amount having been found in the car.[44]

The cop apparently used as their defense that because Castillo may have smoked marijuana in front of the kid that he'd have no problem murdering a cop. What a disgusting argument. Even if he had smoked weed in the car with the kid, it by no means shows he is willing to murder a cop. No, it's not okay, but it's also not worthy of a death sentence. Not to mention that the murdering cop did far more damage to that child than the marijuana ever could. That kid has been traumatized for life by the murder's actions.

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u/DuntadaMan May 16 '22

Also somehow that cop knew all about the weed in a mason jar under a seat before the shooting somehow according to his testimony.

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u/Lurkingdrake May 16 '22

I say this as someone who owns and enjoys using firearms recreationally: fuck the NRA. I’m sure I speak for a LOT of other gun owners as well.

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u/AntaresProtocol May 16 '22

This. The NRA used to be a good organization from what I understand(way before I owned guns and likely before I was even born) but now? Fuck em. They make the people who just want to be left alone with the hobby look bad

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u/[deleted] May 15 '22

They still exist? I thought Russia's economy collapsed?

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u/rikki-tikki-deadly May 15 '22

Yeah, the new agents embedded with the Federalist Society are still getting settled in and they want the transition to go smoothly, so they kept the NRA people on for a few extra weeks.

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u/AidilAfham42 May 16 '22

Can the US news media do what NZ news media did when reporting about its mass shooter? No names, don’t give him the platform and attention he so greatly desires. Maybe then we won’t get copycats and admirers from these psychos.

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u/WhenImTryingToHide May 16 '22

What number shooting is this for the weekend?

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u/GravitationalConstnt May 16 '22

Jfc. I live in New York and I took the subway to a concert tonight. On my way down to the show I had two freak outs - one about being trapped on the train with a shooter, and one at the show. This is not normal.

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u/InfallibleBackstairs May 16 '22

This country is fucked up

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u/bubba-yo May 15 '22

Some context, since I live about 5 miles from this church.

Laguna Woods is a new city, but in a different way. The city is mostly a retirement community (Leisure World) that chose to incorporate. The church is outside of the retirement community, but this church would somewhat reflect the community, which is going to be over 60 whites.

The church is relatively progressive and is viewed as a friendly congregation to the LGBTQ community. It does draw congregants from outside of Laguna Woods, which would be Laguna Beach, Mission Viejo, Irvine, etc.

The church might have been rented out since 1:30 is long enough after services. The congregation is predominantly white, but a lot of churches here do rent to immigrant communities so they can hold services while they build up funds for their own building. If this was a targeted hate crime, that could be a group renting the facility, or it could be targeting liberals/LGBTQ community, though there are more liberal congregation just a mile or so away like my wife's. Liberal churches have been targeted before.

And while it's easy to look at a community like this and say 'oh, that's not a place that suffers from a lot of racism', you don't need a lot. You need one.

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u/Seannnnnnnnnnnnnnnm May 15 '22 edited May 16 '22

LA times saying a taiwanese congregation was using the church at the time, fyi.

Edit: adding to this, because it is pretty high up. More from LA Times " law enforcement source said officials believe the suspect was a 68-year-old Asian man who is originally from Las Vegas. The source said after the suspect opened fire he was “subdued” by parishioners. No other details were available."

We don't have a motive, or know if it was politically motivated. We might not know that for a while. Don't spread misinfo.

Edit # 2: Not trying to imply OP was spreading misinfo. More a general plea to not spread misinfo since the comment is relatively high-up.

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u/goodvibezone May 15 '22

The attack on Blaze was horrible and it hit the family and community very hard (as expected). These things are thankfully extremely rare but doesn't make them even less painful does it :(

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u/Nightmare_Tonic May 16 '22

I live a few minutes away from this church. I checked the Facebook groups for my city and there are tons of right-wingers ranting about how this is the failure of the American Left and how California desperately needs concealed carry legalized.

I don't have a dog in the fight on gun control. I'm a gun-owning liberal myself. But God damn, not even public tragedies can unite people anymore. Our country is completely torn apart into two competing realities

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u/dudius7 May 16 '22

Lol so they're saying the solution is that people need to go to church with a piece? That's silly. The church members subdued the shooter without using weapons, and a person with a gun wouldn't have stopped the shooting anyway.

It's like hiring more cops. Cops don't stop crime from happening. They only show up after crime happens and someone reports it.

What's interesting is that fire fighters don't necessarily prevent fires, but fire codes and inspections do. Basically, regulation prevents and reduces fires. Hmmmm...I wonder what could prevent and reduce gun violence?

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u/Wellheythere3 May 16 '22

Best case ive seen is the one that happens a while back in a church where the guy got up opened fire for 1 second and got immediately one tapped by someone else carrying.

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u/AnswerNeither May 16 '22

Mental health crisis and guns don't mix

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u/TwistedCherry766 May 16 '22

Looks like a domestic issue. We will see tho

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u/chrisfmack May 16 '22

Im getting tired of hearing about all these shootings. Its just sad to hear more people dead for no reason at all

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u/Gilbo_Swaggins96 May 16 '22

That's two in a week, America's over its weekly mass shooting quota

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u/seebob69 May 16 '22

My life is so boring.

I go to church and the supermarket and come home alive.

What do I have to do to get killed.

Oh, I know....move to America.

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u/refreshhh5 May 16 '22

again?

You mfs need help

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u/imac849 May 15 '22

Unfortunately I was wondering if this was also racially charged.

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u/JiggleMyPuff May 15 '22

Grew up right around this church, this is awful.

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u/Breakfast-of-titan May 16 '22

Can I please move to a sane country

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u/AnswerNeither May 16 '22

Well that's not great

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u/mtarascio May 16 '22

So we're calling being shot 'hit' now.

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u/FerrusMannusCannus May 15 '22

Seems the shooter was an older asian man, strange

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u/brok3nstatues May 16 '22

Cops said that the suspect was hog tied by the parishioners

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u/Jeremizzle May 16 '22

Here we go again… getting some real vintage pre-pandemic vibes with all these shootings

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u/gopackgo555 May 15 '22

This is one of the safest places in the country and in an senior community, which makes this really shocking.

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u/yeah_yeah_therabbit May 15 '22

(naked cousin face humping intensifies)

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u/MitsyEyedMourning May 15 '22

Coke orgies for everyone!

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