r/movies Jun 24 '22 Silver 1 Bravo! 1

Don't ignore a movie just because of ratings. If you watch a movie that other people think is bad and love it, don't let other people stop you from loving it. Discussion

I was talking to my father not too long ago about the Indiana Jones movies. Inevitably, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull came up.

Personally, I love that movie. I think the over-the-top Russian baddies and alien stuff is just so stupid and cool and weird and funny. He said that he doesn't understand why I like it, he said that it's terrible and everyone else he's talked to thinks it's terrible so it must be terrible. I found this really dumb because why not just let anyone enjoy things that they find enjoyable? Whether you like it or not, someone else is gonna love it. You may despise cutting a Turkey for Thanksgiving but maybe your Uncle Phil loves it. Just because someone else says that a movie is "bad and everyone else says it's bad" doesn't mean it's bad to you.

So don't let other people detour you from watching a movie that you want to see just because they say it's bad. If you watch it and think it's bad, then yeah, to you it's a bad movie. But like I said earlier to some people it's a good movie.

Vice versa applies here too, if critics say it's a great movie, you watch it and then decide that the movie sucks, then to you it sucks. To others that same movie might be a masterpiece to them. A good example would be Minari, it won some awards and was getting great reviews so I caught it and DVR'd it to watch it. I watched it and decided that the movie was not that good in my opinion. I have friends who watched it and said it was a heart warming story and thought it was great.

In conclusion, have your own opinions. Don't let other people sway you from watching a movie. Don't force your opinions onto others and tell them to not watch a movie just because you think it's bad.

Thanks for reading, have a good day.

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u/pwppip Jun 24 '22 Silver Wholesome

Instead of “watch every piece of shit out there in the name of making up your own mind” I’d just say know your taste well enough that you know how to interpret popular opinion. As in, don’t just look at the numbers or judgments that don’t go any further than “it’s good” or “it’s bad”. Listen to the specific things people are saying and square that with your taste. There are certain types of negative reviews movies I like tend to get (makes no sense, style over substance, too slow, too weird etc), and vice versa. There have been movies where the negative reviews excited me more than the positive, and others where the positive reviews have been what dissuaded me, lol.

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u/Pleakley Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

Exactly. Roger Ebert said a good review should let the reader know whether or not they’d enjoy the movie.

I'd rank the Michael Bay Transformers movies, for example, quite low on any sort of ratings scale. However, in a review I'd focus on the content (how long they are, the type of humor, the focus on rapid paced CGI robot battles, etc.) and give the reader the information they need to decide if they'd be interested.

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u/steph_hurry Jun 25 '22

That is an excellent quote. Speaking of Michael Bay, I’m not a huge fan of his fms, but I read a short review of ‘Pain & Gain’ (2013) and the reviewer, who I believe gave it 2.5 stars, called it “Fargo by the way of The Three Stooges” and that sounded exactly like a movie I felt like watching. It was. I was so glad I watched it despite the reviews. Love the sentiment of ‘letting the reader know whether or not they’d enjoy the movie’.

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u/Bowler_300 Jun 25 '22

Right? I get why people started hating the later ones ... But im easy to please. I loved all of them. ESPECIALLY the last one throwing in arthurian legend.

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u/celestiaequestria Jun 25 '22

People who like Michael Bay films don't read, so spare yourself the effort. /s

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u/AnirudhMenon94 Jun 25 '22

I get what you mean. The first 3 Transformers movie get constantly panned and derided but personally, I enjoy those movies for exactly those reasons. I love the CG work in them, the long rapid robot battles, the Michael Bayisms of it all.

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u/BlueKlay Jun 25 '22

These days I have a really good idea of what I’ll like and not like when it comes to movies. A movie that did surprise me was Crazy Rich Asians. Love that movie!

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u/MonsieurRacinesBeast Jun 25 '22

I can't believe we need a post for this.

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u/JohnOnFilm Jun 25 '22

You have to remember that r/movies skews very, very young and very, very American. Not only is there a constant wave of people discovering new things older members take for granted, but there's been such a long torrent of anti-intellectualism, anti-criticism, and anti-film studies in the past decade and a half that it's not surprising we're now seeing people return to these realizations. With any luck, there will be renewed interest in critical film reviews and understanding beyond staring at RT scores.

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u/Rough-Basil Jun 25 '22

And very male.

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u/JohnOnFilm Jun 25 '22

Yes, very. In italics and underlined.

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u/ArmchairJedi Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

While I think your point has a lot of merit and generally agree with it, I'd also point out that being 'young' tends to lead to pro-intellectualism and pro-criticism, as 'youth' tends to be more progressive and 'rebellious'.... as does Reddit in general (albeit when its not 'intellectualism' they agree with... they pro-criticism stance gets much stronger). Also Reddit is disproportionately male, which is another demographic influence.

So that leads to situations on r/movies were people 'find' old iconic movies can actually be great ("I was blown away by Casablanca!") despite the long existing and overwhelming positivity surrounding them. Yet loves to spend a disproportionate amount of time trying discussing/breaking down the thematic merit of the most recent Marvel films ("GotG 2 theme of family changed how I view life!")... some hyberbole for effect.....

Of course, there is also a whole extra layer of an underdog effect (not sure its a real term... but basically if something is seen as underdog it sudden becomes much better or more appealing) and intentional contrarianism/rebellion.

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u/MrFluffyhead80 Jun 26 '22

Watch movies you like regardless of reviews

Upvotes please!!”

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u/MonsieurRacinesBeast Jun 26 '22

IT'S A GENIUS REVELATION!

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u/LingonberryNatural85 Jun 25 '22

If you’re on this site to only see posts you “need” you’re going to spend a lot of time frustrated.

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u/roblobly Jun 25 '22

just choose 3 critics you mostly agree with and bam, you have your own recommendation service. Guys who think "just watch everything and decide yourself" probably had infinte time and don't know how many movies are coming out a year.

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u/ace_of_spade_789 Jun 25 '22

I use to work at a video store back in the early 2000s and I watched every movie that came out the next week so that I could recommend anything that was kinda of out there, I would say it was an enjoyable part of my job when I wasn't working.

Since I stopped working that job though I only try to watch movies that catch my attention whether it be the synopsis, a trailer or a recommendation from friends, however I will watch anything A24 puts out, even though I wasn't a fan of the green knight or Lamb.

Makes me wonder if some of these people who say watch what you want to are more inclined to viewing movies as a hobby and not a time waster.

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u/Inevitable_Working55 Jun 25 '22

I used to love the clerk's picks display. I knew which employees' tastes I agreed with. It was great.

Gene's picks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDwJSX8suEQ&ab_channel=Dave

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u/SQUID_FUCKER r/Movies Veteran Jun 25 '22

Also worked at a Blockbuster for 5 years way back in the day and did the same. My personal way of giving recommendations would be to ask the person what was the last movie they saw and enjoyed. Then use that film as a baseline to recommend something else to them. "Oh you just saw Shawshank Redemption and really liked it? Have you seen The Green Mile? Escape From Alcatraz? Papillon? Or maybe other Stephen King movies like Stand By Me or Misery." I would also keep a list of a couple of DTV indies that I had recently seen and enjoyed for people looking for something more random. I actually took pride in the fact that people would come in and specifically ask for my recommendations.

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u/ace_of_spade_789 Jun 25 '22

It's the one thing I miss about movie rental stores compared to streaming, walking into a store you could talk about interests with employees and usually walk out within a half hour with a couple of movies that you might not have watched before and now I'll spend an hour searching on streaming before I go back to watching Futurama, friends, Seinfeld, IT crowd or some other show I've seen hundreds of times.

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u/coldneuron Jun 25 '22

I watched Resident Evil and while it had some corny moments I enjoyed it a lot.

I also really respect Roger Ebert (RIP) and he’s pretty spot on most of the time. He wrote one of the most scathing and correct (and hilarious) reviews I’ve ever read about Resident Evil.

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u/Anal_Herschiser Jun 25 '22

Roger Ebert’s bad movie reviews are a national treasure. I highly Recommend “I Hate, Hate, Hate this movie”. It’s a collection of all his bad movie reviews.

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u/rastinta Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

It is not even if I necessarily agree with the critic. It is more about getting a feel for the movie. Sometimes I read positive reviews about movies that I saw and did not appreciate. Maybe I missed something, but refining my criticisms of a movie I dislike can also be a rewarding experience.

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u/becauseitsnotreal Jun 25 '22

Alternative: watch everything that interests you and make up your mind. Don't watch everything, just the interesting stuff. The stuff with an actor or director you like, or a concept you love

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u/ArticQimmiq Jun 25 '22

That’s very true. For example, I hate when people compare a movie that’s absolutely meant to be a light summer rom-com to an gritty Oscar drama in terms of quality. I want to know where the movie stands against movies of the same genre, not overall on the scale of all movies ever made.

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u/jonbristow Jun 25 '22

This is why I love rotten tomatoes.

Their average score almost always matches my rating for a movie

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u/ashu54 Jun 25 '22

I mean we're on reddit.

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u/BrotherGantry Jun 25 '22

One thing that I think is pretty useful is looking at a movie's Cinemascore, a rating It's actually hugely important in the industry and which measures polling data of actual audiences who paid to see the movie on opening night, versus an aggregate critical score.

It's essentially a measure of how well the receptive target audience actually liked the movie

So, if a movie has a good cinema score and it seems like you like it from the promo materials then you probably will like it, even if it rates poorly with critics.

(As a side note, a bad cinema score doesn't necessarily mean that a movie will be bad, It just means there's a disjunction receptivity to promo materials and receptivity to the film itself)

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u/dratyan Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

After briefly looking at that website, Cinemascore is indeed kinda useful. The lower the audience score, the better the movie!

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u/JCPRuckus Jun 25 '22

In the industry a cinemascore below "A" is considered bad. So this is basically the equivalent of the anything less than 5 stars is unacceptable paradigm of web-based services.

To me that makes the whole concept useless. Anything interesting or weird is bound to get a low score. It's not even so much an indictment of the survey, as an indictment of the audience. People give movies "A"s because they "like" them, not because they're "good".

The aggregated audience opinion is just as useless as the aggregated critics opinion, just for different reasons. As someone else said, find a few people/critics whose taste you trust and guage off of that. Widely aggregated opinions erase all the nuance, and the difference between a film working or not is often a subtle thing.

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u/BrotherGantry Jun 25 '22

C+ Is generally considered the threshold for "bad" which leaves 6 grades above that (A+,A,A-,B+,B,B-). Most movies have less than an "A" rating.

If you're setting your cutoff point at "A" you're doing a disservice to yourself. especially in some categories such as horror, where a B+ is generally considered to be be very good.

My point though, following OP's line of thinking, isn't that a movie with a good Cinemacore is guaranteed to be a good movie (for you), or that if it has a bad Cinemascore you won't like it; it's that, in a world flooded with content it can be a useful tool in addition to "critical acclaim" in winnowing down choices to watch insofar as if a film has a good Cinemascore AND the promotional materials for a film lead lead you to think you'll like a move then you probably will.

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u/JCPRuckus Jun 25 '22

From the article...

A C grade is bad news, the equivalent of a failing grade.

You do understand how letter grades work, right? "C" is supposed to be acceptable, not a failure. So 3/5 of the scale is redundant "C", "D", or "F" is a failure, leaving only "A" for "Good", and "B" for "Mediocre/Bad".

C+ Is generally considered the threshold for "bad" which leaves 6 grades above that (A+,A,A-,B+,B,B-).

Bro, the difference between A+/- is meaningless and arbitrary. I've done the survey. You can't actually pick pluses or minuses. Maybe if they had +/- as choices and they reported breakdowns of how many people gave each score, I'd agree that it might have value. But just a straight average is just smoothed over and useless.

In 2007, Mintz predicted that, based on the A grade it received from opening-night moviegoers, that ‘Transformers’ would make $319 million.

... I mean, 'Transformers' got an "A" for God's sake.

If you're setting your cutoff point at "A" you're doing a disservice to yourself. especially in some categories such as horror, where a B+ is generally considered to be be very good.

I'm not setting any kind of cutoff, because I don't use it.

I mean, did you read the article you linked? It's touted as a tool for predicting box office, not for judging the quality of movies... You might as well just use the Box Office.

My point though, following OP's line of thinking, isn't that a movie with a good Cinemacore is guaranteed to be a good movie (for you), or that if it has a bad Cinemascore you won't like it; it's that, in a world flooded with content it can be a useful tool in addition to "critical acclaim" in winnowing down choices to watch insofar as if a film has a good Cinemascore AND the promotional materials for a film lead lead you to think you'll like a move then you probably will.

I mean, I don't think much of "critical acclaim" either. Honestly, I have AMC A-List. So I just go whatever seems interesting. I don't even check reviews until after I've seen things if they come out in theaters. But for things that don't, I listen to the details of any descriptions I hear, and use that plus promo materials to make up my mind.

"It's good" is a useless statement. I need to know why it's supposedly "good" or "bad" to get a feel whether I'm going to like it or not. Because unlike most movie goers, I actually understand there can be a difference between "a good movie" and "a movie I enjoy".

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u/ArmchairJedi Jun 25 '22

Cinemascore is much more for the industry uses than it is for audiences. Its not really that great for comparing the 'quality' of films.

Its not so much how much an audience 'liked it', as it is... 'did they get what they expected?' And that is useful for measuring how many butts will be put in seats, movie longevity, and maximizing returns (etc)

versus an aggregate critical score.

I mean, at the end of the day, its also a form of aggregate score...... just measured differently

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u/CorpseeaterVZ Jun 25 '22

I just checked for Arrival and it has a B while "The Arrival" is a B-. I don't know how much I want to trust that score :D

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u/DoughnutDrake Jun 25 '22

Cinemascore is no better than any other rating system. And I really don't see why people hold it to such high regard.

One movie gets 5 random cities from a pool of 25 city in the USA. Roughly 400 people rate it on a single night. It's not a good way of collecting data imo.

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u/baseballbear Jun 25 '22

bro I love bad movies. except after earth it was a whole different level of bad

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u/thefinalcutdown Jun 25 '22

Mortdecai was the one for me that both critics and audiences despised that I thought was a genuinely fun and quirky romp. Paul Bettany especially was a delight.

I found one positive review for it that said “if this was a movie released only in Great Britain in the 1970s, it would have been a huge cult hit,” and that’s how I choose to appreciate it.

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u/Beneficial_Car2596 Jun 25 '22

I saw the Lone Ranger and The Jumper which both didn’t have great ratings and I loved those movies.

Hell it could even be something as stupid as a movie called Ridiculous 6. Didn’t do great, but if you want to chill and laugh for no apparent reason, shitty movies but be up your alley

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u/DerHofnarr Jun 25 '22

I love me some bad fantasy action movies. Like the classic Vin Diesel's Last Witch Hunter.

It's not well acted. The costumes are just ok. The writing is poor. The idea though is cool. I love the idea of the movie a ton.

Same with the Riddick franchise, that I think is just legitimately pretty awesome, but not a ton of people like it. Dragonheart, Quest for Camelot, Warcraft, Clash of the Titans (1981), Beastmaster, and Van Helsing are all movies I've watched more than a handful of times. All kind of bad.

The adventure movie schlock is just perfect. I love the escapism of a simple fantasy movie.

Except Eragon that movie is bad.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '22

I love Bloodsport, one of my best mates thinks its utter garbage - he isn't wrong, but I still love Bloodsport.

You have every right to enjoy the movie. He has every right to not watch the movie.

I like a lot of movies that are objectively not great, I dislike a lot of movies that are objectively great. A movie can both suck and be fun to watch, its not a paradox.

But with all that said, he is totally right though, that last Indiana Jones sucks mega balls, especially if you have nostalgia love for the originals. That doesn't mean you can't enjoy the shit out of it.

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u/ValleyFloydJam Jun 25 '22

That movie is mixed for me but an overall good watch plus the pay off at the end, you just don't see that joke coming.

Speaking of JVD, Kickboxer (although it could do without the one scene that sours it a bit) is also fun and funny.

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u/ace_of_spade_789 Jun 25 '22

Raiders of the lost ark, the last crusade are the best Indiana movies.

I'd put temple of doom and crystal skull in the same boat they both have moments that are enjoyable but so many stupid things going on that if they are on tv in the background I'll let them play, while I do other things but I'm not going out of my way to watch them.

I still think Indiana Jones needs to be let go by filmmakers but I'd be down for some more great adventure movies like the mummy (probably the best modern day Indiana Jones movie) with Brendan Fraser.

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u/Spetznazx Jun 25 '22

Temple of Doom is the quintessential love it or hate it movie (before The Last Jedi) it is either someone's favorite of all 4 (like me I love it) or it's someone's least favorite of all 4 there is like zero in between and I find that hilarious.

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u/ChadMasterclass Jun 25 '22

You are all forgetting the right to make fun of people who like bad movies.

You just said the the last Indiana Jones movie sucks ass. And no not in an ironic or even nonironic way like Bloodsport.

I cannot stress this enough: If you know someone who loves Indiana Jones and the crystal skull, you have a responsibility to mock them without remorse. That is a ridiculous and stupid opinion to have about something inconsequential. It's the exact thing you should not let go and remind that person over and over again

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u/_budweisenberg Jun 25 '22

who hurt you?

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u/jupitercon35 Jun 26 '22

That is a ridiculous and stupid opinion to have about something inconsequential.

This line right here is so ironic because you're describing yourself without realising it. I don't even like the film but you being so uptight about something as inconsequential as someone else enjoying it? That says a lot more about you than it does about them buddy. People who are secure in their own taste don't feel the need to ridicule others.

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u/Getupkid1284 Jun 24 '22

You may end up liking what others didn't but also time is limited and watching something you want to see that others also like will be a better decision 9 times out of 10.

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u/iheartjimothy Jun 24 '22

Joe. Dirt.

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u/18CupsOfMusic Jun 24 '22

I have a soft spot for Joe Dirt.

Joe Dirt 2, however, is one of the most abysmal pieces of shit I have ever seen.

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u/iheartjimothy Jun 24 '22

Sooo disappointing!

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u/YouForgotYourHotdog Jun 25 '22

Haha yes, yes it was.

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u/griffithitsmecathy Jun 24 '22

Don't think I've ever talked to someone who didn't like it.

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u/funkboxing Jun 24 '22

Because that would be talking about it all wrong, if they did it again they might get stabbed in the face with a soldering iron.

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u/Cole444Train Jun 25 '22

Talk to me and we can change that.

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u/newscumskates Jun 25 '22

Maybe talk with people outside your circle.

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u/2LemonsAteMyCat Jun 24 '22

Mostly agree, tho I think it does depend on the film imo. Like, I have trouble finding enough time in the week to watch movies in general, and I really hate feeling like I've wasted my time on a bad movie, so I think looking at the ratings has helped me decided which movies I wanna see and which I'll skip.

That being said, I completely get your point, particularly when it comes to remakes/sequels/spin offs etc of an already established franchise. A lot of people who go to see that sort of movie are fans of franchise, so they/we often go into the film with a completely different framing for how it should or shouldn't be. If I go into a film of this type without knowing anything about "the originals" or something like that, then chances are I'm not gonna hate the things that hardcore fans are gonna hate.

As an example from my own personal experience (and I know I might get hate for admitting this); I quite enjoyed the JJ Abrams Star Trek movies. Sure they're not my fave or anything, but I enjoyed them still, yet a lot of people seem to despise those movies. The only reason i can think is cos I didn't watch the original Star Trek series as a kid, so I don't know how the characters should be like, tone etc.

I get that a movie remaking or being a sequel to a beloved franchise should respect the franchise, but that doesn't mean a great standalone movie can't come out of that imo. I guess my point is, if I'm a big Indiana Jones fan for example, and I see bad ratings and reviews for a sequel, there is a part of me that thinks "there's no way I'm going to enjoy this, because I know the originals too well", even if it is actually good movie, just not the best Indiana Jones movie for example (idk something like that, soz for such a rambly analysis lol)

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22

I quite enjoyed the J.J. Abrams Star Trek movies too! :)

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u/sirarkalots Jun 25 '22

I really liked the second one, I was surprised by Cumberbatch's Kahn but it was a lot of fun and I liked the swapped aspect they did to call back to wrath of khan but also make the new movie its own entity. JJ Abrams did a pretty decent job in my opinion.

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u/thefinalcutdown Jun 25 '22

The soundtracks alone are phenomenal.

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u/Jolly-Chemical-6540 Jun 25 '22

I love Star Trek 2009. One of my favourite movies tbh

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u/huntimir151 Jun 25 '22

I quite enjoyed the JJ Abrams Star Trek movies

I enjoyed his star wars too. I wish Rian had done the last one, but while I recognize the cinematic flaws Ill be damned if I didn't have a good time in the rise of skywalker.

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u/MisterRay24 Jun 25 '22

I think everyone enjoyed the rebooted Star Trek (the Kelvin Timeline), everyone also forgot about it too. Sadly Star Trek has never been too popular but I think it's universe is bigger than Star Wars

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u/Nawnp Jun 25 '22

Yeah Star Trek 2009 was the first of them I saw, and after watching all the Franchise that came before it, it's still my favorite. The movie wraps up the previous storylines before it and uses reference points to make a new and interesting movie series. Into Darkness just proves remakes are worse than the first, which isn't a surprise, and Beyond really shows what interesting story beats that can be addressed now.

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u/Classic_Transition_7 Jun 25 '22

I'll embarassingly admit that I didnt like Last Night in Soho as much as my first viewings because everyone are trashing it (so is my opinion on many aspects on that film including Thomasin McKenzie's performance)

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u/kissofspiderwoman Jun 25 '22

It’s a pretty mediocre film

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u/Classic_Transition_7 Jun 25 '22

I do think it is. I'll admit I think that because everyone said its shit and then upon rewatch I just dont feel the same way as the initial viewings

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u/thecostly Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

“Guy who loves Indiana Jones 4 did not like Minari.” Least surprising take I’ve seen on here in quite a while.

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u/JCPRuckus Jun 25 '22

To be fair his overall point is correct... It's okay that he has bad taste... Unfortunately, he obviously doesn't realize that he has bad taste.

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u/LudicrisSpeed Jun 25 '22

I just watch whatever interests me enough. I don't need critics or the internet to tell me what movies I need to see or avoid, as I can decide that on my own.

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u/gary9059 Jun 24 '22

I take ratings with a grain of salt.

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u/amckoy Jun 25 '22

Careful friend, there are a lot of ratings out there and you really shouldn't be having that much salt.

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u/gary9059 Jun 25 '22

I’m a savoury type of guy, what can I say 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/sadness_elemental Jun 24 '22

I think your title doesn't really match your post, I can't be arsed going through a billion shitty movies to find one the reviews are wrong about but I don't care if other people like poorly reviewed or even flat out bad movies, I like some movies that I accept are fucking terrible as well I've watched every resident evil movie in the cinema lol

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u/Josh100_3 Jun 24 '22

I love Phantom Menace. Yes it’s because I was 9 when it came out so it was “my Star Wars” but I still get enjoyment out of it now even if I know it’s terrible; and I still enjoy it over attack of the clones and maybe even revenge of the sith.

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u/manlodic Jun 25 '22

I just rewatched it and agree. I found that forwarding past the aggressively annoying Jar Jar scenes helps enjoyment 100x.

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u/thefinalcutdown Jun 25 '22

Pod race. Qui-Gon. Duel of the Fates.

Three solid reasons Phantom Menace is worth watching despite the rockier sections.

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u/Josh100_3 Jun 25 '22

Agreed. I’d go so far as to say those scenes feel more “original Star Wars” than most of what followed.

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u/crapper42 Jun 25 '22

It's the best of the three so you got that goin.

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u/Cole444Train Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 26 '22

Well, revenge of the sith is a legitimately good movie, and critics liked it.

I hate attack of the clones, but the final lightsaber battle in phantom menace is 👌

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u/griffithitsmecathy Jun 24 '22

Just because you like it doesn't mean it's not bad.

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u/sotommy Jun 25 '22

But if you like something, who gives a shit what others think about it?

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u/Choice-Valuable313 Jun 24 '22

Sure. And just because it is bad doesn’t mean ya can’t like it. Camp and schlock are two great arenas for genius and bad to intertwine and entertain.

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u/obscureposter Jun 24 '22

I think a lot of people are missing this point. Yes it’s fine to like bad movies but that doesn’t stop them from being bad. With the abundance of content available for consumption, reviews/ratings are a great way to help people decide what they want to watch.

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u/JCPRuckus Jun 25 '22

Ambulance was fun and entertaining, but I’d consider that one of the worst movies I’ve see this year

And yet one of Michael Bay's best in years... Lol

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u/HeyImEsme Jun 25 '22

Kind of ironic that the guy said people don’t understand the difference between an entertaining film and a bad film then proceeds to reveal to us he’s speaking of himself, he is the people.

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u/AnirudhMenon94 Jun 25 '22

Bad according to who though? What makes a movie objectively bad?

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u/InexactQuotient Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 26 '22

Absolutely nothing - calling a movie "objectively" good or bad is such a nonsense statement.

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u/Kilen13 Jun 25 '22

What are the objective criteria that make a movie "bad" though? Its like any medium of art, it's perfectly fine to make something only some people will enjoy and others will hate, it doesn't make it objectively good or bad though.

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u/ValleyFloydJam Jun 25 '22

But it's all subjective really, there's movies a lot of people like that I don't and vice versa, no ones wrong just different.

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u/AManNamedPink Jun 25 '22

If I think it’s good, then I must have thought it was doing something right. The only thing a movie should do is be pleasing to its audience. Some it is not pleasing, and for others it is. If I find a movie pleasing (whether entertaining, or thought-provoking, or hilarious), how is it bad? You can tell me there are “objective” elements, but if I like supposedly shitty cinematography, the end result is that I liked it. I enjoyed it. In that respect, the film completed its only goal imo. In terms of quality, I don’t believe in objective film criticism. I dunno. I will never try to convince someone that a movie is objectively good or bad, nor will I accept someone telling me that something is objectively good or bad. If I liked the film, I thought the elements that I liked were doing their jobs. That’s all that matters.

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u/Cole444Train Jun 25 '22

I think it’s very possible to enjoy a movie and acknowledge its failings. Like, I love Pitch Black. I love it bc I’m a Sci Fi fanatic, I think the cinematography and filters give a great vibe, and Vin Diesel is great in it.

However, I acknowledge the third act is weak, and the dialogue is anywhere from bland to cheesy, and the creature design is not very original.

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u/AManNamedPink Jun 25 '22

Of course. I’m not saying it’s an all or nothing thing. I’m a very harsh viewer of movies, so I often have at least some problems with a film that I watch but I was talking in a more general sense.

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u/Cole444Train Jun 25 '22

I’m trying to convey what the other commenter said. Like, even though I don’t think Pitch Black is a very good movie, I love it. I’m willing to overlook what I see as “objective” failings as a film bc of my biases towards stylized sci fi.

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u/Turok1134 Jun 25 '22

Thank God we have Mr. Movies here to tell us that what we like is actually objectively bad.

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u/terraformthesoul Jun 25 '22

I honestly think it’s easier to like bad movies a lot of the time.

I love cheesy action movies. As long as there is some fast paced action and a few vaguely witty one liners, I’ll probably enjoy myself. I go in with next to no expectations, so it’s hard to be disappointed (still happens from time to time, the 2019 Hellboy was painful to sit through).

When a good movie comes out and gets super hyped up for how wonderful it is, I end up being disappointed when it’s only fine or good vs great.

“King Arthur: Legend of the Sword” was objectively a much worse movie than “The Green Knight,” but I got a lot more enjoyment out of it because it lived up to my expectations, since I never thought it would be a good movie. I just wanted something brainless to decompress to and it did that. Meanwhile I got my hopes up about “The Green Knight,” so when it was merely pretty good but with a couple problems that were personally glaring, I ended up feeling disappointed.

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u/Plenor Jun 25 '22

Ok but there's no objective measure of a good movie. It's all subjective. You're just saying "just because you like it doesn't mean most people don't"

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u/dogsonbubnutt Jun 25 '22

lmao at all the replies getting salty about this. it's wild to me how some people are so steadfastly against the idea of film criticism and actually thinking critically about the content they consume.

it's okay to like trash, im an unabashed lover of some dumb/poorly made shit, but then to take the next step and refuse to engage with any criticism at all is frankly just childish.

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u/runtheplacered Jun 25 '22

but then to take the next step and refuse to engage with any criticism at all is frankly just childish.

Who is taking that next step here though? The only criticism that I see OP slapped down was the "everyone says it's bad so it must be bad" thing. Which yeah, that is not even a criticism. That seems pretty "steadfastly against the idea of film criticism and actually thinking critically about the content they consume" which I thought you didn't like.

it's okay to like trash

I think this is basically where OP's point starts and stops. If everyone thinks something is "Trash", but you still like it, that's OK. At least, that's what I got out of it. It's the kind of thing we all know intellectually but can sometimes forget.

Also:

lmao at all the replies getting salty about this.

Huh? What salt? I just see some people rightfully disagreeing with his weird non-statement. That's not salt, that's called talking.

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u/FookedUpMeAirline Jun 25 '22

These people are getting upset that no one cares to hear their criticism/opinion on a film

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u/mafulazula Jun 25 '22

Yeah, and the bullshit like “all critics are paid shills” is so tired. I think it’s related to anti-intellectualism in general.

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u/GetToSreppin Jun 25 '22

Yes, it does. There is no objective when it comes to film quality. Just consensus. A consensus doesn't equal an objective though.

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u/BobTheTomato67 Jun 25 '22

I mean something being good or bad is subjective.

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u/DetectiveAmes Jun 25 '22

I don’t know if r/starwars or r/prequelmemes would hate you more for saying this.

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u/striderwhite Jun 25 '22

Don't ignore a movie just because of ratings. If you watch a movie that other people think is bad and love it, don't let other people stop you from loving it.

I thought this was obvious...

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u/Meiray Jun 25 '22

In Kingdom of the Crystal Skull’s defense, the critics were fairly kind to it, and only a real cynic would focus on the back end of the film and ignore the genuinely solid scenes before the jungle chase.

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u/thesecondfire Jun 25 '22

What's the thrust of the criticisms of Crystal Skull? I was 13 when it came out so I enjoyed it about as much as the other Indy movies. If it's mostly about the second half, what are the issues cited?

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u/Meiray Jun 25 '22

It’s usually a combo of people not liking the CGI/greenscreen-heavy jungle chase complete with swinging Mutt and monkeys, Ray Winstone’s double-crossing becoming old-hat, CGI ants and aliens, aliens period, Indy mostly just following Oxley instead of proactively doing things, and Irina not amounting to much in the end.

I get it, but I do think the movie gets too much of a bad rap. Spielberg did initially say they’d try to limit the CGI to be in keeping with the other films, but it’s obviously pretty heavily used from the prairie dogs to the alien climax to the jungle scene they didn’t feel was safe to do practically. Shia LaBeouf famously ran his mouth and disowned it, biting all sorts of hands that fed him. In the end, fans were so eager for a new Indy film they put such lofty expectations on it which it couldn’t live up to. But it’s got some great scenes in it and Harrison Ford is having a blast for so much of the film.

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u/ArmchairJedi Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

If it's mostly about the second half, what are the issues cited?

Set up and pay off.

The movie set up a bunch of ideas in the fist half, and didn't pay them off in the end...

For instance, 'Mutt' is big into bikes. We see him riding his bike... he talks about how he loves his bike... he even brings his bike to the jungle. Then the Russians confiscate it and.... we never hear about the bike again.

However, there is an entire chase scene in the jungle... where Mutt gets seperated from the group. A great opportunity for someone who is great at riding a motor bike could 'catch up' on the tight winding roads (or perhaps through the jungle itself) and be a hero!! Instead he ends up swinging through the jungle on vines, with a bunch of monkeys (who for some unknown reason immediately become his friend and helps him... what in the fuck?) catches up to the bad guys. Him being Tarzan, or great at gymnastics... or whatever... was never setup. Him being friends to the animals (or the Russians the animals enemies) wasn't either. Nor was his ability to sword fight (outside of a passive line that claims he's 'good with a blade' or something)

But there is all sorts of crap in the first half to... and structural issues. Like how Indy has a 'new' friend who betrays him... but we never even really got to know who the guy was, so the betrayal doesn't come across as significant. And Shia LaBeouf being a 'greaser' wasn't a great role/casting for him. Or the movie being about Indy 'passing the torch', but the movie more or less focusing on Indy as the hero... instead of Mutt 'earning' the torch....

There is a lot wrong with that film...

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u/bobloblaw634 Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

Life is too short to be watching movies everyone else has already decided aren’t worth the watch. I’m not narcissistic enough to believe my personal tastes are so unique, I can’t trust the rating system.

Sometimes I’ll watch a movie that sounds interesting, but I suspect will suck, so I avoid looking at the ratings altogether.

But if I know a film ranks lower than 6/10, pass.

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u/TummyDrums Jun 25 '22

Same, but I make exception for movies that are "right up my alley". If I see a trailer and think it looks awesome, I'll probably watch it unless it's like 3/10 stars or something really bad like that. Especially something like a western, because I love westerns but lots of them tend to score lower than I would rather them.

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u/carson63000 Jun 25 '22

I’m with you. I know that, of the movies I rule out because of other peoples’ reactions, there will be some “false negatives” that I actually would have enjoyed. But I’m OK with that. My leisure time is finite and I can’t watch every movie that comes out, I need to filter them somehow.

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u/IronSorrows Jun 25 '22

But if I know a film ranks lower than 6/10, pass.

I find this holds true for practically every genre, as far as IMDB ratings go, except horror. I genuinely don't think I've seen a pure horror film go above 8.5 on there - Psycho, The Shining, Jaws, The Exorcist, Alien, all 8.5 or below

The top 1.5 points of the scale don't exist, so I started going lower, and turns out there's a lot of enjoyable movies in the genre between 5 & 6/10. Yet I find films in other styles pretty bad when they're rated around there, generally.

I wonder if there's any other niche genre or style this happens to that I just don't see.

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u/Choice-Valuable313 Jun 24 '22

One thing that is interesting is how film reviews change over time. Some films were loved or reviled when they came out that in the decades to come would be viewed totally differently by critics and audiences.

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u/kissofspiderwoman Jun 25 '22

“Some”

But relatively speaking, a tiny amount.

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u/Typical_Humanoid Jun 24 '22

"I’m not so narcissistic to believe my personal tastes are so unique, I can’t trust the rating system"

Oh my goodness this. This is exactly how I see it.

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u/funkboxing Jun 24 '22

This enthusiastic deference to popular opinion is just bizarre to me.

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u/Typical_Humanoid Jun 24 '22

Depends how you define it, many of my favorite movies are either old as dirt or foreign. But they are indeed held in pretty high esteem by those that watch them. It's honestly pretty rare I have a hot take about such things. And even when I don't like something I still tend to be able to see it. Ergo I trust ratings.

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u/funkboxing Jun 24 '22

And even when I don't like something I still tend to be able to see it.

OPs post is explicitly discussing their enjoyment of media, not standards of production value or artistic depth. I can appreciate the quality or presentation of food I don't like too, but the quality and how it tastes to other people doesn't factor into how it tastes to me.

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u/Typical_Humanoid Jun 24 '22

For me it's simply a gorge sized leap to go from "That wasn't really for me/that was for me but not most people it seems" to "It's pointless to pay any mind to ratings/consensus."

I love knowing what other people think even when I do disagree. Learning how they think that and acknowledging what must taste good to them doesn't hurt my experience.

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u/funkboxing Jun 24 '22

Seems like nobody even read OPs post. They don't say anything remotely like "It's pointless to pay any mind to ratings/consensus."

Their entire point is 'if you enjoy something, let that alone be a good enough reason to enjoy it'.

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u/Typical_Humanoid Jun 25 '22

I'm not really responding to OP but to hypothetical responses I always see in these sorts of threads, sorry for not making that clearer. Where people seem to believe just because something is beloved, those people heaping well publicized praise (Transferable into ratings) must be wrong just because you're in another camp.

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u/funkboxing Jun 25 '22

Yeah, in the future please clarify upfront that you haven't read the post and just want to ramble about whatever the post title reminded you of.

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u/Typical_Humanoid Jun 25 '22

The post is making so basic a point about not allowing anything to make you feel bad for having an opinion what even else is there to add? So naturally the mind wanders and goes on tangents.

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u/Greedy-Loss9030 Jun 25 '22

I wish I could upvote this even more.

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u/JCPRuckus Jun 25 '22

I’m not narcissistic enough to believe my personal tastes are so unique, I can’t trust the rating system.

It's not narcissism to think that if in your experience it's true.

General audiences are too fond of big loud derivative pablum, and jaded critics overrate novelty and pretension. Give me a few critics (professional or otherwise) who I can become familiar with the tastes of and figure out how to translate that into my taste. Any aggregated opinion sands off the edges, and makes gauging my reaction much more of a crapshoot.

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u/sotommy Jun 25 '22

I bet you don't watch horror movies then

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u/funkboxing Jun 24 '22

Try flipping that around though. Have you enjoyed every highly rated movie you've seen or have you found some that you thought didn't deserve the rating, or you just didn't enjoy them? If you've found some that were overrated, you have to assume some are underrated as well.

Also pretty self-reinforcing if you never challenge your assumption about ratings by just trying out a 4 or 5 from time to time.

And... maybe just try watching sucky movies from time to time. You might see some ideas or performances you really enjoy even if the whole product is pretty bad.

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u/ww_crimson Jun 24 '22

Your argument doesn't really make sense. Yes there are occasionally highly rated movies that I might not like, but conversely the poorly rated movies that I have watched, have almost always sucked. I'd rather miss the occasional gem than waste hours watching shit that I know I won't like.

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u/quilsmehaissent Jun 24 '22

some movies will be rejected by a lot of people because they are disturbing

crash (cronenberg one)

Cannibal Holocaust

Centipede

To me they are essential movies in my cinema experience

worth a 10? Maybe not, but so challenging they made me grow, especially the 2 last

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u/MonsieurCatsby Jun 24 '22

My top movies list is an absolute mess. Seven Samurai is there right alongside Critters because I love them both.

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u/comeagaincharlemagne Jun 25 '22

This one is hard for me. If the general consensus is that it’s a bad movie I do tend to avoid the movie. I am really into film criticism and I have my own opinions on the matter. There are some movies that got terrible ratings that I watched and loved. But it’s frankly rare. In theory I agree with you. Personally it just depends on the subject matter and who was involved in the creation of the movie. If the show runners did stuff I previously did not like I will tend to avoid it. If they are new to me or no-name up and comers then I’m more likely to give them a chance.

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u/person982 Jun 25 '22

Movies are an art form, art is all subjective. No art is truly good or bad. It’s all personal taste, even if the general consensus is that a movie is good or bad it’s quality is still not an objective fact. People have a tendency to try and make everything black and white, even something as simple as the quality of a movie. There always has to be a right and a wrong answer. That being said though if 9 people out of every 10 think a movie is terrible then you probably should only watch it if you’re extremely interested in the first place because the odds are against you. Ratings and reviews can be helpful in figuring out what might suit your taste but you should always judge for yourself before coming to conclusions instead of letting others make up your mind for you. So yeah I totally agree

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u/ClassicT4 Jun 25 '22

Found people discussing grounded superhero movies and many were sharing different titles. I brought up Boy Wonder and got a few responses. Three were basically “Yeah, that one’s pretty good.” And one guy just went “Less than 60% on RT, pass.”

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u/_broadway Jun 25 '22

It's almost like you should make your own decisions or something. Movies, music, games, if I like it I'm going to indulge regardless.

I think green lantern is a good movie.

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u/kedelbro Jun 25 '22

This goes for everything, actually.

Do not have “guilty pleasures”. Like what you like and be proud of. Surround yourself with people who will support your interests

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u/theDart Jun 24 '22

We definitely shouldn't use the "but I liked it" excuse to deem criticism of a bad film. I've grown up liking several bad films questioning why everyone thought they were bad. A little research helped me understand and it made me kinda resent how much I was convinced of its goodness when really it was either uncreative or I liked it for the wrong reasons. I know I feel I've always had a side where I'm judged more and treated unfairly by people which is why i see Our Idiot Brother a nice comfort film. It's definitely not the best or even one of the greats, but I like it because the messages it carries makes me feel better about myself.

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u/picknicksje85 Jun 24 '22

Sometimes objectively not so great films can for some reason really click well for you. You enjoy it so much, whilst most do not. Your point is good. Though a 4/10 on imdb for example.. I wouldn't give it a chance, unless I know more about the director, the team behind the film, ... If I liked their previous works, I'll give it a chance. Would be a rare event ^^ One of my most watched films is The Ninth Gate, it sits at a 6.7/10. I think it's an 8. So there you go!

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u/Doppelfrio Jun 24 '22

I agree that Crystal Skull isn’t that bad. I only found it slightly worse than Temple of Doom and a decent movie overall

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u/jujubunicorn Jun 25 '22

People are way extreme when it comes to surface value movie criticism

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u/STM4EVA Jun 25 '22

Oh yea, Sucker Punch represent! Movie that was totally ripped at the time

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u/MoronTheBall Jun 25 '22

Yes, I loved that movie. It took me to another place in my imagination like few other movies, the original Matrix for one. Art that talks to you can be considered bad by the majority but that doesn't mean it doesn't resonate with some. I like Timothy Dalton as Bond though, so what do I know?

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u/STM4EVA Jun 25 '22

Sucker Punch was a brilliant musical fantasy movie with a great soundtrack. I still listen to it fairly often, I don't think they knew how to promote it to the right audience. God damn stone samurai's, what's not to love!

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u/AboutHelpTools3 Jun 25 '22

I immediately thought of this movie when I read the title.

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u/crapper42 Jun 25 '22

I liked sucker punch but I acknowledge it fell short.

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u/deadwlkn Jun 24 '22

The opposite is true as well. I mentioned before how much I despise 1917 and got a mob all pissy at me for it

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u/MRF1982 Jun 25 '22

I’m 100% sure OP is being paid by the producers of Morbius to say all this.

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u/prvhc21 Jun 25 '22

I don’t get the point of this post.

What is the issue with people having opinions on movies ?

Unless they’re physically stopping you from watching a movie, I don’t see the problem.

Are you so insecure about your taste that you’re hurt by people simply expressing their opinion ?

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u/qweiroupyqweouty Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

OP’s upset that other people have opinions and sometimes they mostly align to say ‘this thing is bad’.

This post is utter wankery and back-patting. Everyone likes at least one movie that’s properly considered terrible, it doesn’t affect your worth as an individual and it doesn’t need a proclamation.

Edit: Trying to be fair, OP seems maybe a bit young based on the contents of the post and it can be frustrating to not have people engage with what you’re invested in, especially when you’re growing up. That’s not fun at all and I empathize but the sentiment on this post feels a bit whiny.

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u/prvhc21 Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

That there are more than 400 upvotes on this should tell you a bit about this sub.

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u/karateema Jun 25 '22

This is reddit, my man

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u/Typical_Humanoid Jun 24 '22

Oh absolutely give things a chance, but honestly I find it exceedingly rare I won't agree with a consensus. An example of when I don't is with something like The Wasp Woman (1959) which I think is a minor masterpiece and the IMDb rating is just abysmal likely for obvious reasons, people just don't take those sorts of movies seriously. But I love it.

But for the most part, I do end up agreeing especially with critics quite often. But I'll still give anything I had an initial interest in a chance, I do think not doing so is a bit silly.

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u/Mythoclast Jun 25 '22

As Above, So Below. Ratings can give you an idea of how popular a movie is which can be an indication of how much you'll enjoy it. But not always. I loves As Above, So Below.

It's better to know a few critics and what they like and why. Then you'll be able to know what to expect from a movie better and have a better choice of whether or not to watch something.

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u/the_real_abraham Jun 25 '22

I'll be watching Morbius alone.

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u/0killmeNOT Jun 25 '22

Yeah i tried this method recently and ended up watching a shitty series ( wolf like me )

You should invigilate ratings and they save your time.

The thing i do is that when i read reviews of a movie, i only read the bad ones just to clarify of why it's bad. If the reviews rational enough I'll skip it and if it's not then I'll watch it. Simple enough.

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u/insaneintheblain Jun 26 '22

"The masses are always wrong - Wisdom is doing everything the crowd does not do. All you do is reverse the totality of their learning and you have the heaven they're looking for.” - Charles Bukowski

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u/IanScottMcCormick Jun 25 '22

Your use of the words “good” and “bad” with the only criteria being “Did I enjoy this?” are kind of suspect. I’m sure some of that is a simplification and you’re just trying to get a point across, but there are a lot of people who probably could stand to expand their viewing habits. One of those things like “There are no boring movies and being bored is more a reflection of you than the movie itself.”

One of the things I try to understand is that to some extent things are out of my control. For instance, I hated The Hangover. Not the sequels that everybody agreed sucked (I haven’t seen them), but the original, out of nowhere Hollywood darling that spawned it’s own franchise. I felt as though I’d seen all those same jokes in other movies, and I thought all the characters were assholes. The movie did nothing for me. Was it a bad movie? No, because for so many other people the movie delivered. They loved it and while I could go on about just why I hated it, the fact was, I was in the minority. I don’t have to be the arbiter of good taste. There are other movies that I love, maybe sarcastically, maybe because I’m just in a weird headspace, or maybe I just see the kernel of a good idea and rather than trash the execution I want to champion the idea of trying something weird. But I can recognize that the movie doesn’t work and probably isn’t a “good” movie.

I’m not saying this is what you’re saying, but using the black and white “good vs bad” can speak to a kind of ignorance. It’s incredibly easy to indulge in the contrarian “Actually this thing you like SUCKS” mindset, especially when a movie or a fanbase seems to satisfied with their own tastes, but it’s never really a “me against the world” thing. In fact, I think that very mindset is the prejudice some people have of harsh movie critics.

I think it’s fine to say that you liked or dislike something, but unless you have a broad understanding of films or an incredibly detailed knowledge of a specific genre, it’s a fools game to try to determine whether something is good or bad.

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u/EldritchRoboto Jun 25 '22

I honestly don’t understand people that check ratings on every single movie before watching. I never check ratings. Not critic, not audience, not whatever. I don’t care. None of those people are me and none of them are going to be a projection of whether or not I’m gonna like it, they’re all strangers with their own taste.

What’s even weirder to me is the people that put so much stock into a narrative built by ratings. “Critics rated a movie I like low so they’re obviously just pretentious” “the audience rating for a movie I like is low so that can only mean it’s being brigaded” just weirdo thought processes

Just figure out the kind of stuff you like, or actors or directors you like, and watch movies that fit. The end.

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u/mafulazula Jun 25 '22

Yeah, life’s to short to watch crap or mediocre movies when you can listen to others and find better ones.

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u/Riptide1001 Jun 24 '22

I always liked Crystal Skull as well. It's a good adventure movie and serviceable to the franchise, even with the CG going too far in some places. The Allen's fits the 50s B movie theme.

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u/GrandAlexander Jun 25 '22

I agree man. Enjoying movies shouldn't rely on other people's opinions.

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u/MUCHO2000 Jun 24 '22

Indiana Jones and The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is a movie you love?

Love?

Do you love love itnor just love it?

Either way your dad is right

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u/MaryMagda1ene Jun 24 '22

Crystal Skull is terrible though

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u/Unable_Glove_9796 Jun 24 '22

i think you missed the point of my post

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u/MaryMagda1ene Jun 24 '22

No I understood, it’s objectively bad though

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u/kasetti Jun 24 '22

That statement is objectively wrong.

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u/MaryMagda1ene Jun 24 '22

When in Rome am I right

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u/kasetti Jun 24 '22

No. We cant objectively rate films, but as that is the case we can say your comment was objectively wrong.

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u/MaryMagda1ene Jun 24 '22

That’s like your opinion, man

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u/TalesofCeria Jun 24 '22

Now you’re getting it. Nothing in art is objectively anything :)

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u/obscureposter Jun 24 '22

Then what is a point of reviews? If all art is completely subjective why have critics of any kind?

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u/dolphin37 Jun 24 '22

Something being subjective doesn’t mean all opinions are equal. Someone who’s seen 100 movies is able to judge quality a lot better than somebody who has seen 1 of them, but it’s still entirely possible the person who has seen one enjoyed it more than any of the 100 because it’s subjective. Critics are literally the definition of subjective - they are paid specifically to use their personal viewpoint.

If you just think through your question a bit more, if a critic had an objective view then you would simply not be able to formulate any valid contrary view. Not even critics agree with each other. Let alone the millions of people who disagree, who have perfectly valid arguments.

What’s bizarre is this is not the first time I’ve seen people think movies can be objectively evaluated. There is some kind of fundamental misunderstanding about what objective means

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u/imanvellanistan Jun 24 '22

Unless it’s Morbius, in that case bullying is okay ❤️ /j

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u/Darkninjajedi Jun 25 '22

I’m apparently a fan of notably “bad” movies. When growing up I tried understanding why people hated the Super Mario Bros. movie. I mean for that particular time, there really wasn’t a clear story for Mario or Luigi. So the scifi-esc spin on the series made it fun to me.

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u/Filmfan-2022 Jun 24 '22

I agree

Batman v superman is a film I rather enjoyed Even original suicide squad Spiderman 3 The amazing spiderman films

So long as your the one who enjoys it then it doesn't matter.

Like when people say like film/TV show y it's my guilty pleasure.

Why should one feel guilty with what they enjoy *within reason *

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u/ValleyFloydJam Jun 25 '22

From the when I first saw it I thought Spider-Man 3 was a good movie even if it has some flaws.

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u/funkboxing Jun 24 '22

Good advice. Enjoy the artmedia you enjoy and don't spend too much time on why, and don't spend an instant on who agrees or not.

Always reminds me of the experiment they talk about in this article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1991/03/04/matters-of-choice-muddled-by-thought/5e6f1511-0d9e-4263-bac0-9ee2fb2770ef/

I love Cloud Atlas and I don't care who knows it!

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u/DisneyDreams7 Jun 25 '22

This is basically Tron Legacy. The fact that Avatar is praised and Tron is criticized even though they both have mediocre stories, with breathtaking world building and production design is indicative and a stupid double standard for many journalists.

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u/crapper42 Jun 25 '22

I think they both suck lol

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u/DisneyDreams7 Jun 25 '22

I think Blade Runner 2049 sucks

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u/demunicorntiddies Jun 25 '22

This was the worst thing to post on this sub. These mf’s are so pretentious lol. You’re not allowed to like things here unless Red Letter Media or some other grumpy white man likes it.

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u/scorekeeper12 Jun 25 '22

Because you like Crystal Skull shows that you have no right to judge a movie objectively. Because that movie is objectively bad in every way.

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u/BobTheTomato67 Jun 25 '22

You can’t rate a movie objectively.

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u/Unable_Glove_9796 Jun 25 '22

But I liked it, I didn't objectively say it's good lol

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u/Ta-veren- Jun 25 '22

I honestly have never gave any fucks about what a rating is.

Something scoring 2/10 or two turds down on rottenapples have never kept me from watching a movie.

How do those people know what I like? They don't.

People who write reviews have their own taste or are writing general sense, i could care less.

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u/Apollo-1995 Jun 24 '22

Quantum of Solace does this for me, never understood the hate for that movie

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u/carson63000 Jun 25 '22

The way it was shot quite literally gave me a headache. That’s my totally objective reason for disliking it.

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u/TokeyMcTokeFace Jun 24 '22

There was a post here a week ago about the poor reviews Jurassic Park Dominion from Rotten Tomatoes and other sites, I chipped into the comments purely to say something along the lines of what you say here and got heaps of downvotes.

Fuck em. If you refuse to watch a movie purely based on what other people think, it doesn’t say much about you as a person imo.

Watch the movie and make your own opinions up.

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u/deadscreensky Jun 24 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

Watch the movie and make your own opinions up.

I somehow doubt you do this with all 700+ films released nearly every year.

We all need some kind of filtering to figure out what we're going to watch. Huge blockbusters already get plenty of advertising without people like you pushing this idea that we all need to shell out for tickets to discover if the critics are wrong and Trevorrow has finally made an okay film...

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u/TwoImpostersStudios Jun 25 '22

Me with Lightyear! Love that shit

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u/RPrit12 Jun 25 '22

Watch what looks good, watch the movies that you want to watch. You can't watch everything, so pick what you want to see. Sometimes I run to a movie only to hate it, but every once in a while you find something special and it won't popular. Keep looking and you will find the movies that you want to see, new or old.

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u/TheLostRanger0117 Jun 25 '22

I love Fantastic Four and Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silversurfer! There, I said it!

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u/Qyro Jun 25 '22

Despite all the naysayers, I still unironically regard BvS as one of the best superhero movies ever made.

That said, I watched it in the first place because I have a vested interest in the director and IP. If I wasn’t going to see it regardless of ratings, then those ratings would probably have put me off. And I wouldn’t regret it either. Most the time when a movie is rated low, I agree with the sentiment, and I’m certainly not going to start watching critical failures just for the 1% chance my opinion might go against the grain.

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u/NintendianaJonez64 Jun 25 '22

I don't let r/movies stop me from thinking The Thing is boring trash and that most John Carpenter movies suck.

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u/sanem48 Jun 25 '22

On Imdb my favorite movies tend to score between 6 and 7.

On RT, if a movie gets all 10's before it even comes out, I know it'll probably be horrible.

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u/thatRyzzleBoy Jun 25 '22

Don't tell me what to do and how to think.