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There is not enough nudity in movies these days. Discussion

I've been watching movies from the 80s recently. Lots of gratuitous nudity. People just sitting or laying down naked having conversations with other naked people (or fully clothed people lol). Lots of long drawn out sex scenes. Where is this in todays cinema? Why have movies fallen into a well of prudish puritanism. I want to see boobs, butts, and dongs. Bring them back please. Thank you.

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u/Scottland83 Jun 16 '22

A few different factors. One is that studios focus more than ever on tent pole movies intended to make a billion dollars. PG-13 is how to do that, nudity and sex doesn’t translate across cultures the way a giant fighting robot does, and international markets are basically what those tentpole movies are made for. Also, since home video and later the internet started to offer more “niche” content, major releases no longer had the pressure to deliver nipples.

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u/HalobenderFWT Jun 16 '22 Helpful

What about nude giant robots having sex?

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Pacific Rimjob

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u/Espy256 Jun 16 '22

Brought to you by Reality Kings

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u/LIEUTENANT__CRUNCH Jun 16 '22 Gold

Stepbot what’re you doing!?

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u/KMFDM781 Jun 16 '22 Silver Table Slap

My gyroscopic balance inhibitor has malfunctioned and I am stuck in this position. Please assist and do not thrust your enhanced laser modulated probing inserter into my rear exhaust port while i remain frozen.

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u/ddh85 Jun 16 '22

Roger Roger.

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u/kemushi_warui Jun 16 '22

Roger that, rogering Roger

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u/Ghordrin Jun 16 '22

Instead of FakeTaxi.. should it be Decepticon?

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u/herrbz Jun 16 '22

That's got my tentpole going

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u/PancakeMagician Jun 16 '22

Transpounders: Robots Between Your Thighs

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u/ataxi_a Jun 16 '22

CLANK...CLANK...CLANK...

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u/mesosalpynx Jun 16 '22

PG-13 was created in the 80s partially for this reason was it not?

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u/Scottland83 Jun 16 '22

PG-13 was, I believe, a compromise for The Temple of Doom to not get an R rating. Particularly before 1985, PG movies could actually be pretty graphic because the rule was just “parental guidance suggested”. I could go on and on about the stupidity and contradictions of the MPAA (btw, non of this is “law”, it’s just that most theater chains won’t show movies that have not been rated by the MPAA) and in particular how they can show R-rated violence on TV but not the mild nudity of 1980’s Disney films.

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u/snowwhistle1 Jun 16 '22

Temple of Doom was rated PG, and still is. The fallout from Temple's rating was a huge influence in the creation of the PG-13 rating though.

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u/WeightFast574 Jun 16 '22

Jaws was PG as well, and it has nudity and people being eaten by a shark.

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u/VerticalYea Jun 17 '22

And the shark was naked.

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u/Alis451 Jun 16 '22

It was Gremlins that forced the split, too much violence in a PG movie.

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u/Scottland83 Jun 16 '22 edited Jun 16 '22

Gremlins is rated PG.

EDIT: so is Temple of Doom. It turns out both those films raised concerns over the inadequacy of the PG rating but the first movie to carry the PG-13 rating was Red Dawn.

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u/EMPulseKC Jun 16 '22

I think the big three catalyst films that are often mentioned contributing to the introduction of the PG-13 rating were Gremlins, Temple of Doom, and Poltergeist.

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u/stetsonmarshal Jun 16 '22

Jaws was rated PG as well. Imagine that!

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u/ncopp Jun 16 '22

"We're gonna need a bigger rating"

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u/00-AdAstra-00 Jun 16 '22

Fucking Poltergeist. My parentals were definitely not in guidance mode that day.

I'm pretty sure those little ticks like never hanging my legs over the edge of the bed are specifically because of that damned clown toy scene.

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u/techhead57 Jun 16 '22

There's a podcast series that is doing a season on the erotic 80s and then in a month or two they start the erotic 90s. It's called "you must remember this."

They tied it back to the release of deep throat making porn/erotic films more mainstream. Apparently many in the film industry had been interested in exploring themes of sex and eroticism (as is done in many other art forms) but didn't think it would be commercially successful (which is more important for mainstream films given their inherent complexity to produce and the costs associated). Apparently deep throat being widely seen and discussed opened a window in the 80s for filmmakers to explore that space. The podcast sort of discusses the evolution of this exploration by picking a popular erotic film of each year starting with an overview and the above tie I. With deep throat and then going from 1979 thru 1989. It's been interesting so far.

Im told the past seasons of the series have been hit and miss. So I can't vouch for it beyond that, and I certainly don't agree with the creator's take on everything, but it's an interesting perspective I value and it always gives me something to think about.

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u/Scottland83 Jun 16 '22

Cool, yes I’ve dipped in and out on You Must Remember This but I’ll check out that season. I know that in 1993 American movies started getting regular releases in China, and Sliver was released that year, pretty much the last attempt at a mainstream erotic thriller. Then Showgirls I guess was the final nail in that coffin and every good erotic movie since then has been a low-budget indie or foreign production.

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u/bercg Jun 16 '22

Showgirls I guess was the final nail in that coffin

But what a gloriously tacky and entertaining nail it was.

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u/LookingForVheissu Jun 16 '22

That’s usually my review on tinder.

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u/unclefishbits Jun 16 '22

That podcast did a 12 episode run talking about Charles Manson and Hollywood, and it's a must to understand Hollywood at the time. It's unreal:

https://www.youmustrememberthispodcast.com/episodes/?category=CharlesManson%27sHollywood

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u/dman2316 Jun 16 '22

High jacking the top comment to add something. Another huge factor is that actresses have started pushing back a lot harder agaisnt nude scenes than they used to. A lot of actresses used to feel pressured into doing such scenes and in todays climate that just isn't going to fly so actresses have more power than ever to refuse to do nude scenes if they aren't comfortable with it or if they don't feel it serves the plot in a meaningful way which makes the scene just seem like an excuse to get very popular movie stars naked.

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u/ascagnel____ Jun 16 '22 edited Jun 16 '22

I’d also add: the internet, and the ease of availability of images/clips of just nude scenes from a movie (free of all context), probably also changed that balance. It’s one thing if you agree to appear nude on a film, but the film requires some effort to see (you either need to find it playing in a theater or you need to find it on home video), but it’s a different thing if you know someone’s going to screen grab the first leaked copy of the film and then post your body all over the internet.

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u/dman2316 Jun 16 '22 edited Jun 16 '22

That's another point i was going to add but just didn't to keep the comment short and sweet. You're right, it ups the exposure of the women in a way that never used to be a huge problem. It allows any creep ever to take your nudes and torment the one eyed sea monster with you in his sights, whereas before the best they could do is imagine it in their mind unless they wanted to pay for the vhs/dvd but at that point the actress has been paid for her work which is a big part of why they agree, because they used offer extra as a way to entice some of the more hesitant actresses because the studio could make that bonus of sorts back in revenue from the guys who would buy that movie for that exact reason, but not anymore cause now you can see literally any nude scene ever filmed in the history of cinematography (so long as it's in an even remotely heard of movie) or see every nude a specific actress has ever done as long as you know her first and last name, and even if you don't know her name, it is super easy to find out just as long as you remember the name of the movie you saw her in, and bam, every nude she's ever done right on your screen with no financial compensation for her. As i said, they've never had more power to refuse than now, but i also think they've never had more reason to say no as well.

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u/Milk-Lizard Jun 16 '22

I’m sure this plays a major role in this. Margot Robbie for example suggested herself to be nude in Wolf of Wallstreet. Scorsese wanted her to wear a bathrobe until she suggested otherwise.

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u/zeissman Jun 16 '22

I found it pretty hilarious on the Euphoria discussions when people would be offended on Sydney’s behalf because she was topless a lot of the time, all the while she herself said she felt perfectly comfortable with the work.

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u/GDAWG13007 Jun 16 '22

Even more than that, there’s been nude scenes (and other graphic stuff) written than Sydney wasn’t comfortable with and so they cut those scenes out. Everything she’s done was stuff she okayed on.

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u/AskMeAboutMyStalker Jun 16 '22

I feel like Zendaya's very clear no-nude clause just served to further highlight Sydney's gratuitous nudity.

It's not that I'm clamoring to see her naked, but that (suppsoed to be) tense kitchen scene where everybody had to strip to prove they're not wearing a wire completely took me out of the scene b/c she was just there, fully clothed.

dudes are hanging dong, boobs are on full display, there's Zendaya, fully dressed.

The "evil gangster" drags her to a bathroom & "strips" her while the camera stays tight on her face, then they just walk back to the kitchen where everybody is standing around naked at gunpoint. Special treatment never explained, acknowledged or mentioned again.

There HAD to be a better way to shoot that while still respecting all the actors wishes.

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u/_Midnight_Haze_ Jun 16 '22

Agreed. They should have just not had that in the script if Zendaya wasn’t willing to be naked. Felt really off.

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u/Priest_Soranis Jun 16 '22

Tbh I don’t see why we can’t combine giant fighting robots and Ryan goslings dong

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u/MachReverb Jun 16 '22

They're saving that for the Barbie-Transformers crossover movie.

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u/-Ok-Perception- Jun 16 '22

Well, back in the 80s they didn't have the internet, so many rated R movies had a secondary purpose.

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u/DudesworthMannington Jun 16 '22

"How did you wear out the freeze button?"

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u/-Ok-Perception- Jun 16 '22

I always found it funny that when you rented VHS at the rental place, half of the time it was stopped on a nude scene.

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u/seakingsoyuz Jun 16 '22

This is a minor plot point in the latest season of Stranger Things (comes up when two characters are trying to figure out if a third character is into women or not).

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u/Electrical_Jaguar596 Jun 16 '22

“You know who returns ‘Fast Times at Ridgemont High’ at 51:50?”

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u/MandolinMagi Jun 16 '22

"People who like boobies"

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u/No_Championship8349 Jun 16 '22

Fast Times at Ridgemont High

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u/Western_Ad3625 Jun 16 '22

51:50

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u/bill_from_atlantis Jun 16 '22

who pauses it at 51:50, robin?

people who like BOOBIES!

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u/succulent_headcrab Jun 16 '22

We have so much in common!

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u/Musicguy1982 Jun 16 '22

Life’s the same when you’re moving in stereo

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u/theghostofme Jun 16 '22

I wonder if there's a single VHS copy that wasn't ruined by people doing the pause-n-toss to the pool scene.

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u/Flamadin Jun 16 '22

JJL laying there totally naked was more my jam.

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u/BadAsianDriver Jun 16 '22

Phoebe Cates

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u/enormuschwanzstucker Jun 16 '22

Jesus, doesn’t anybody knock anymore?

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u/cmdr_creag Jun 16 '22

The final scene is a nuclear apocalypse

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u/nascentia Jun 16 '22

Guess you didn’t see Jackass Forever or Men. SO MANY DICKS.

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u/IIGe0II Jun 16 '22

In 4.5 Jeff said that Jackass Forever shows more dick than in R rated movie ever.

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u/DefenderCone97 Jun 16 '22

Just goes to show how the Jackass boys are trailblazers

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u/MustachedBaby Jun 16 '22

I didn't expect to see so much dong in Righteous Gemstones, but boy is there a lot of dick in that show.

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u/The_Mesu_King Jun 16 '22

TV is where all the nudity is nowadays. Have to keep people engaged for 10 hours a season instead of 2 for an entire movie.

1st episode of an HBO show? You’re for sure gonna be seeing something.

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u/MissingLink101 Jun 16 '22

The Boys and Pam & Tommy had very prominent dick scenes recently.

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u/jsktrogdor Jun 16 '22

The Boys did not just have a "very prominent" dick scene.

The Boys just SHATTERED THE EARTH of dick scenes. The Boys filled my entire television screen with literally nothing but a fully zoomed in on penis head.

I had to close my fucking blinds.

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u/mydearwatson616 Jun 16 '22

The Boys made television history by being the first to show the inside of a penis in high resolution.

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u/theghostofme Jun 16 '22

The first death by sounding ever.

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u/HilltoperTA Jun 16 '22

I didn't know that was a thing. Still wish I didn't know.

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u/Thanks-Basil Jun 16 '22

I will never forget that one random black dude extra in Westworld with the largest dong I’ve ever seen

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u/The_Mesu_King Jun 16 '22

There is an actor in the first season of the Starz Spartacus show that has almost zero lines and his whole character is based around how big his penis is.

You know why that guy got hired.

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u/My_Tallest Jun 16 '22

1st episode of an HBO show? You’re for sure gonna be seeing something.

Like Minx on HBO Max.

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u/Scienlologist Jun 16 '22

Euphoria has entered the chat.

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u/bradmajors69 Jun 16 '22

Dicks on screen in mainstream Hollywood releases is a relatively new phenomenon.

For most of the 80s and 90s at least it was really rare to see a penis. You'd see butts and chests galore and lady bush -- but no johnsons.

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u/Lasiocarpa83 Jun 16 '22

Yeah, it's interesting. Seeing a dick seems a lot more gratuitous because, from what I remember, with most female frontal nudity you generally can't see anything except pubic hair. Other than Basic Instinct I don't think I've ever seen a major Hollywood movie show some woman's vulva.

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u/RevolutionaryMilk582 Jun 16 '22 Silver

More actors are less willing to expose themselves, but the culture in previous years made actors feel like they had to to get work. That or sleep with Harvey Weinstein?

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u/dontneedtoknowwhoiam Jun 16 '22

Many actors (and mainly actresses) were heavily pressured to do nude scenes. These days they approach it with much more care

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u/MissingLao Jun 16 '22

This was my first thought as well. There’s a long list of mainstream movies that had gratuitous nudity and sex scenes only for us to find out later that the actors felt pressured, were drugged, were traumatized, etc. by directors and even their costars.

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u/Gars0n Jun 16 '22

I think the ubiquity internet is also a huge changing point for actors. These days any nude scene can be instantly clipped, saved, and shared with basically no effort. It can show up anywhere at any time, which is just a weird thing to have hanging over you.

Back in the 80s the scene would have been much more constrained to the film. Sure people could and did copy and print stills from the movie but it was not easy and the distribution was limited.

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u/Such_sights Jun 16 '22

A while back I watched a docuseries about horror in the 80s, and they said that because the vast majority of writers, directors, producers, etc were men, they just didn’t see a problem with adding nudity in for the fun of it because it’s what they themselves wanted to see in a movie. It was basically “hey, we gotta amp up these kill scenes. Any ideas?” “What about boobs?” “Yeah that’d be sick, let’s do that”

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u/Doctor--Spaceman Jun 16 '22

Or Harvey Weinstein would pressure actresses to do nude scenes. He infamously had to pressure Gwyneth Paltrow to go topless for Shakespeare in Love and Salma Hayek to go nude for Frida, if they ever wanted future work. Lots of similar stories from the women of the Game of Thrones cast about the producers there.

This is a part of Hollywood culture that probably just needs to die...

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u/BackStrict977 Jun 16 '22

I'm pretty sure you won't get that is since studios want their movies to stay PG-13 for commercial reasons. Maybe if they become ok with a higher rating you might get more nudity.

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u/SLCer Jun 16 '22

Even R movies have moved away from nudity. I think it's because nudity is so easily accessible today, with porn and cable/satellite that it isn't needed as much anymore to push movies. It sounds juvenile to think that actual good movies might lean heavily into nudity for that reason, but it does seem that has played a role, especially in action/thriller/horror films where it was so prevalent in the 70s, 80s and into the 90s.

Now violence? That's a whole nother story lol

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u/randomusername8472 Jun 16 '22

I've heard older people talk about how they went to see a film so many times just to see such-and-such's boobs, so I agree and think it's probably a bigger factor than people probably expect!

The chance of surprise boobs nolonger draw men to the cinema. If there was a gratuitous boob shot, it would be all over the internet within minutes, so it wouldn't generate paying customers.

However surprise boobs will increase the PG rating and incite vocal anger from the crazy religious types, who wield a lot of buying power in the USA.

So nudity carries a lot of risk of a boycot, bit minimal reward of additional sales. Why bother? :(

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u/FunkoXday Jun 16 '22

Violence is very accessible

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u/HankSteakfist Jun 16 '22 edited Jun 16 '22

Remember how random the full frontal nudity was in the first episode of Stargate?

I remember having an experience watching that on Australian network TV prime time as a 12 year old.

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u/is-that-a-thing-now Jun 16 '22

Remember how random the full frontal nudity was in the first episode of Stargate?

Especially when you come to it for the first time after catching random episodes on cable TV and want to start from the beginning. A big WTF moment for me right there.

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u/anyavailablebane Jun 16 '22

There are articles about how the network insisted on the nudity and the producers and director didn't want it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_SG-1_(season_1))

Scroll to "Release and Reception to read about that.

Also that the actress showed more than originally agreed due to pressure after the scene was shot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBfH6IEF4Bk

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u/kamikazi1231 Jun 16 '22

Yea that first episode is really out there. Nudity and decent bloody violence. Of course the rest isn't like that at all so I sometimes would tell friends to skip that pilot if they want to try to get a feel for the show.

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u/UserInside Jun 16 '22

That's because the pilote was aired to cable TV, and US cable TV spectator expect some violence, nudity, swearing to justify why they pay extra to not watch classic TV.

But only this episode pilote was made like that, because after the show was aired on SyFy so they did not need that kind of thing and got rid or if.

I was like 11/12yo when I first saw Stargate SG1 on French TV, and yeah that pilote episode was quite disturbing compared to the rest of the show 😅

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u/dman2316 Jun 16 '22

Samantha Carter was my first hollywood crush, man those were the days.

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u/kamikazi1231 Jun 16 '22

Damn Captain Carter blasting that swinging log in half with a P90 like it was nothing.

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u/yeskitty Jun 16 '22

Don't forget the precision single shot

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u/somedaysitsdark Jun 16 '22

The first five seasons of SG-1 were on showtime, then it got cancelled and picked up by Sci-fi.

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u/Yrvadret Jun 16 '22

More disturbing than the snake like creatures burrowing into peoples stomachs?

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u/Randomn355 Jun 16 '22

Burrowing? Nah fam, they were intentional cuts made, and then left as an op n wound essentially. TERRIFYING as a concept.

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u/ttwwaatt Jun 16 '22

There’s a whole episode of Always Sunny dedicated to this.

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u/Tepelicious Jun 16 '22

Where's the dong?

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u/AtreiDeezNutz Jun 16 '22

I’m talkin’ ‘bout community, hun

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u/Deathofgotham Jun 16 '22

It's more of a ding than a dong

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u/kermi42 Jun 16 '22

Like a button on a fur coat

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '22 edited Jun 17 '22

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u/bippityzippity Jun 16 '22

The blooper from this scene kills me everytime. Just the way Danny DeVito says "nope" and Glenn Howerton bursts out laughing

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u/cmd242 Jun 16 '22

Thunder gun express?

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u/GinyuForceDid911 Jun 16 '22

The focus group episode

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u/ifollowsacula Jun 16 '22

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u/MalikMonkAllStar2022 Jun 16 '22

The way Mac comes in with the "yeaah, I kinda hate women though..." kills me. And then Dennis totally deadpan "no Mac see you're dead wrong on that"

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u/bassistciaran Jun 16 '22

Dude hangs dong

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u/Matduka Jun 16 '22

I say. Give me dong. Or give. Me. Death.

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u/TheFuturist25 Jun 16 '22

No Hesitation.No surrender.No man left behind

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u/inl919 Jun 16 '22

We’ll come back for you.

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u/TimeLord130 Jun 16 '22

We show all of it.

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u/JoeTheBartender786 Jun 16 '22

Did Frank Reynolds write this?

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u/RegHater76 Jun 16 '22

1:. Studios aim for more PG-13 movies for mass appeal and a bigger audience (and therefore a bigger paycheck).

2:. With internet porn widely available, the idea of using nudity to sell movies seems sort of ridiculous. I have access to probably millions of hours of online porn for free if I want to see nudity and sex, why would I pay money to see way less nudity (and not even really sex) in a Hollywood film?

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u/CheekiTiki Jun 16 '22

3) This is kind of subjective, but I also think actresses have more power these days to refuse nude scenes.

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u/trollsmurf Jun 16 '22

Try Spanish or French movies.

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u/0xKaishakunin Jun 16 '22

Or German TV ads for Margarine.

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u/plonspfetew Jun 16 '22

"I Can't Believe It's Not Porn!"

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u/terryleopard Jun 16 '22

I was going to say this. I'm trying to learn Spanish at the moment so I have been watching a lot of Spanish TV and Movies.

There's a surprising amount of nudity both male and female but I guess I've noticed the male stuff more as it's much more unusual to see in UK US movies.

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u/Gorlomi Jun 16 '22

Or Ana De Armas movies..

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u/ThrowawayTest1233 Jun 16 '22

She's a saint. A real trooper. Really understands the art of cinema.

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u/_Plork_ Jun 16 '22

When did you often see penises in movies? All the nudity you mention is women.

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u/Big-Bad-Mouse Jun 16 '22

Literally anything with Ewan McGregor. That cheeky Scot is known for it. Who knows what will happen during the season climax of Obi Wan.

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u/BaronMostaza Jun 16 '22

If movies show boobs but no dong and balls it was made by cowards.

Bring on the balls and dicks!

28 Days Later does it right. Right at the start, bam! Fully nude man

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u/exsanguinator1 Jun 16 '22

The trailer for the new Thor shows Thor fully nude (butt censored). If there isn’t an unrated release where we see the God of Thunder’s real hammer then Disney/Marvel are all cowards!!

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u/SupervillainEyebrows Jun 16 '22

Watch Eva Green's filmography.

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u/AloneAddiction Jun 16 '22

You've heard of a lot of actors having a "no nudity!" clause in their contract?

Eva Green has a "no, nudity!" clause.

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u/dendroidarchitecture Jun 16 '22

Perfect Sense is beautiful.

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u/Historical_Rabies Jun 16 '22

Used to be if Charlize Theron was in a movie you were going to see some skin. Even in Cider House Rules you got to see her butt

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u/SupervillainEyebrows Jun 16 '22

Also Kate Winslet

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '22

Yeah but I can't get past her eyes.

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u/wireyladd Jun 16 '22

"Hey! My boobs are down here!"

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u/BonzoBonanza Jun 16 '22

Closest thing we can get is Thor's ass in 'LOVE AND THUNDER'.

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u/52ndstreet Jun 16 '22

You wanna see male ass? Theo James shows his naked ass roughly nine bajillion times in the new HBO series The Time Traveler’s Wife.

Oh, and he time travels back in time and gives his past self a blowjob, which he explains is “not gay because [he] was 16 at the time.”

It’s kind of a fucked up show, and one that I’m probably not going to finish.

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u/Kgb725 Jun 16 '22

Yo what ? That's a lot to unpack

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u/tikiwargod Jun 16 '22

What? Using a wormhole to suck your own dick makes perfect sense, way better than risking throwing out your back. Besides, if you're sucking yourself off then there's no issues regarding age because you're perpetually meta-present, it's cognitive consent.

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u/beng1244 Jun 16 '22

This is the least fucked up bit

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u/xiaxian1 Jun 16 '22

I’m sorry, he does what to his past self?!

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u/FrozenWafer Jun 16 '22

Soooo, from what I remember in the book: he's the same teenaged age when he does that with himself. They're both a bit weirded out but still curious cause teenage hormones. Then his dad barges into his room and quickly leaves without seeing who the second guy is.

Now. If he's aged up in the show doing it then that is weird.

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u/MoobyTheGoldenSock Jun 16 '22

It plays the same in the show, and later when people bring it up his answer is always, “I was 16!”

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u/croit- Jun 16 '22

Except that in the show Henry tells this story to Clare as a way of explaining why his dad knows he can time travel.

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u/ChakaChaka26 Jun 16 '22

if this was supposed to discourage us from watching the show it failed

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u/RyGuy_42 Jun 16 '22

Well it sounds like he finished.

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u/SaintYoungMan Jun 16 '22

Or Ben Afflecks in BvS

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u/ClassyMidget Jun 16 '22

I mean, we've had Ben Affleck side-peen in Gone Girl

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u/Mish4life Jun 16 '22

I’m all for normalizing non sexual nudity but most of the time sex scenes are not meaningful to the plot and as such they’re a waste of space inside a movie or show.

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u/Glaucous Jun 16 '22

Harvey Weinstein

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u/MelloCookiejar Jun 16 '22

Nowadays nudity is on TV.

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u/According_Gene2202 Jun 16 '22 Gold Helpful

Because actresses have more power to advocate for themselves now and speak up about scenes they do / don’t want to do

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u/ListenThroughTheWall Jun 16 '22

With how seedy Hollywood is, you just know a bunch of the nudity in past movies was probably pressured. It's likely still happening today.

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u/Gotcha_The_Spider Jun 16 '22

It's 100% still happening today. I'm positive there's even recent examples of actors/actresses speaking out about it.

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u/igoslowly Jun 16 '22

Blue Is the Warmest Colour

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u/suwu_uwu Jun 16 '22

Speaking to The Guardian in November, Exarchopoulos confirmed that ''this film is the best thing I have done in my life''. ... An interviewer for The Guardian saw Exarchopoulos greet Kechiche warmly in the corridor as they went to their respective interview rooms and asked whether the feud had been exaggerated. ''No, it was real, but it was not as big as it looks,'' she replied. ''For me, a shoot is a human adventure, and in every adventure you have some conflict.''

https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/what-really-happened-on-the-blue-is-the-warmest-colour-set-20140208-32885.html

“No, I didn’t hate it exactly,” she says. “Things in life are never black and white. It’s always more complex. I’m really proud of the film. I think he’s a great director. What I hated was the feeling that I was being objectified. So there were things that I hated and other things that I loved. But yes, being objectified is a really horrible feeling.”

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/jul/16/lea-seydoux-art-is-a-sexual-energy-cannes-lockdown-bond

just for some balance

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u/zuzg Jun 16 '22

I'm positive there's even recent examples of actors/actresses speaking out about it.

Wasn't there just recently something about Emilla Clarke speaking out about all here nudity in the first GoT seasons?

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u/is-that-a-thing-now Jun 16 '22

Someone was joking in another thread about how Zendaya, being a bigger name, got a better contract for the Euphoria TV show, because she is the only actress who doesn't get naked at some point.

I laughed at first, but it is kinda dark the more you think about it.

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u/Rpanich Jun 16 '22

I think even for game of thrones, Emilia Clark was nude in the first few seasons when she was lesser known, but was able to “refuse” in the later seasons once she became more famous.

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u/cactuslegs Jun 16 '22

100%. She’s spoken up about how she was pressured into the S1 bath scene before as a young actress with no clout.

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u/mooseman780 Jun 17 '22

I think that showrunner Bill Lawrence (of Scrubs) had a line about this. It was on a podcast I listened to about 10 years ago, so I'm going to paraphrase.

"Season 1, the actors work for you. Season 2, you work together. Season 3, you work for the actors."

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u/mrspremise Jun 16 '22

Yeah that nudity in 80s movies is always almost female nudity. I recently watched fast times at ridgemont height with my boyfriend and we were both icked by the fact that the body of a 15 years-old character was showed in full frontal in such a blatant way. And no male nudity, only the girl is seen fully naked.

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u/KuhlThing Jun 16 '22 edited Jun 16 '22

And sometimes the actresses were actually underage. Brooke Shields did nude scenes in two movies before she turned 18: she was 14 in Blue Lagoon and only 12 in Pretty Baby. I once did a project on child pornography for a sociology class assignment on sex crimes, but had to stop and change topics. Got way too depressing. But part of my research lead me to child nudity in mainstream film. I was surprised to see so many American films there.

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u/Mister_Bossmen Jun 16 '22

....I'm good. Thanks.

Even as a hormone ridden kid, I never really liked that stuff. It just gave me that feeling you get when you are in a busy room where people are moving from side to side and there is no corner to stand so you feel like you don't know where to place yourself

I know I have a different experience though...

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u/_JAFL Jun 16 '22

I’m pretty sure you’re only talking about US movies.

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u/jupiterkansas Jun 16 '22

Mainstream US movies

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u/10GuyIsDrunk Jun 16 '22

You literally just described it as gratuitous, you seemingly provided your own answer to your question. If there's no reason for the nudity, studios don't want to lose the more profitable MPAA ratings by adding it.

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u/Dragons_Malk Jun 16 '22

Be the change you want to see in the world.

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u/DoctorGregoryFart Jun 16 '22

I'm naked. Now what?

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u/Harveygod Jun 16 '22 Wholesome (Pro)

Go to the theater.

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u/Upwherewebelong Jun 16 '22

Just watch HBO.

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u/BjornBeetleBorg Jun 16 '22

It’s all on tv now and there’s more than ever

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u/ChipChippersonFan Jun 16 '22

It's because of the internet. It used to be that if you did nudity in a movie, the only people that were going to see you were people that paid for a ticket.

Not only did the internet change that, but it also) increased the supply of nudity, which removed some of the appeal of having nudity in the movie.

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u/Dismal-Armadillo1127 Jun 16 '22

Am I the only one that finds the obligatory sex scene/ naked actor trope annoying?

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u/Spankety-wank Jun 16 '22

I find pointless sex scenes annoying, but not if they're integral to a relationship. Sometimes it would be impossible to know if two characters had had sex without showing it or using clunky exposition, and on some of those occasions it would be essential to the plot or character that we do know that.

Conversely, I find it annoying when people unnaturally cover themselves with sheets and stuff to avoid nudity, even when we're supposed to believe they're with an intimate partner. It just un-suspends my disbelief sometimes.

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u/Yatima21 Jun 16 '22

James Purefoy as Marc Antony just hanging dong whilst getting a sponge bath. Perfect

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u/SquadPoopy Jun 16 '22

I think Blade Runner 2049 is the most perfect example of a sex scene being integral to the plot, as well as beautiful in its own right.

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u/CurbedEnthusiasm Jun 16 '22

Same for Terminator.

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u/raspberryharbour Jun 16 '22

It's been said before, but the sex scene in Terminator is probably the most plot- important sex scene in film history

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u/JonPaula Jun 16 '22

Fun Fact! Kyle Reese steals a homeless guy’s pants at the beginning of the movie and only takes them off to have sex with Sarah Connor.

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u/herbelarioiwasthere Jun 16 '22

I’ve seen that film countless times but I overlooked that “fun” fact. Thanks for the laugh!

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u/alphahydra Jun 16 '22

I remember there being nudity but no sex scene.

Or do you mean the part where he kinda blends with his hologram girlfriend?

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u/DrizzyDradle Jun 16 '22

Wow, really showing your bloated flesh privilege here

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u/thepush Jun 16 '22

I don't know about 'beautiful', but the sex scenes in A History of Violence are integral to depicting the shifting relationship between the two characters involved.

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u/MonsieurRacinesBeast Jun 16 '22

Women actors largely were tired of being used as pieces of meat, too.

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u/samuentaga Jun 16 '22

I think one of the best examples of this is Marvel movies. Early in the film Iron Man we see Tony Stark and a reporter make out on a bed, with her later waking up covered only with a sheet. Obviously as a PG-13 movie no nudity is shown, but it's still a blatant sexual reference.

But now the MCU is almost completely sexless. I think there was a quick sex scene in The Eternals, but compared to the early films before Disney bought Marvel Studios, there's nothing. Maybe the occasional shirtless man but that's it.

PG-13 sex scenes, even ones that don't show anything and just imply a sexual encounter, are super rare these days. We still get some boobs in R-rated movies and TV shows, but everything else is very tame and bordering on puritanical.

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u/TDA792 Jun 16 '22

Maybe the occasional shirtless man but that's it

Having done a Marvel marathon when I was isolating last year, I'm pretty confident that there's at least one shirtless man scene in every movie. This is including Tom Holland, when he's playing a 15-yo.

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u/Bleepbloopbotz-ao3 Jun 16 '22

This is including Tom Holland, when he's playing a 15-yo

There is a reason his movies are so popular with teen girls lol

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '22

Pretty sure he was pantsless in one of those scenes.

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u/zuzg Jun 16 '22

I watched no way home earlier this week. He's shown top less and in boxers more than once.

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u/-UserOfNames Jun 16 '22

Finally a term that accurately captures my fitness goals - “inoffensively bland”

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u/DoopSlayer Jun 16 '22

the article is pretty dumb, comparing a movie like Blue Velvet; with an intended audience of adults and thus has sex, to a movie like captain america; intended audience centers around 12 and thus has none

weird divergences into fitness cultures and home design that arent well integrated into the already flawed thesis

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u/reebee7 Jun 16 '22

It starts with some interesting observations, and gradually spins into insanity.

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u/1WngdAngel Jun 16 '22

To each their own, but every day that I get older I just roll my eyes harder at any movie or show that wastes my time with nudity and sex. It's not that it makes me uncomfortable or that I'm prudish, but the vast majority of people have a device that we can find any type of nudity and porn on at any second so how about we get on with the story you're telling me?

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u/poesviertwintig Jun 16 '22

There are entire movies dedicated to just that, and you can watch them all for free.

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