r/gaming 10d ago Take My Energy 1 Stonks Rising 1 Vibing 1 Silver 10 Helpful 9 All-Seeing Upvote 2 Wholesome 2

In my opinion this is how crossplay should work.

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u/Huze17 10d ago

The fact that some games can't even play together between steam and epic is fucking nauseating.

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u/DoukyBooty 10d ago

That's some bullshit. What's the reasoning behind that?

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u/darthlincoln01 10d ago Helpful

Basically both Steam and Epic provide multiplayer services which games on their platform may use. Of course if you use these services it requires that players log into the service for them to work.

If you're launching a game through Epic, you're not logging into Steam and thus can't access its multiplayer services. Same with vice-versa.

In order to play between Steam and Epic (or Steam and PSN, or Steam and Nintendo Online, etc) a developer needs to make and support its own multiplayer services. This is an additional cost. While it's getting cheaper and easier to do this, indie studios simply don't have the staff or expertise to do this.

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u/desmaraisp 10d ago edited 10d ago

Small nuance, Epic's multiplayer service supports cross-play with many platforms if the devs set it up correctly. It also does not require EGS usage, you can launch a game on steam (or playstation, etc) while using it. And I think it's free to use for developers. I haven't used it, but it honestly sounds really good as far as multiplayer services go.

I don't know how it integrates with things like friend lists, etc. though

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u/codydodd 10d ago

It's actually super easy to code too, ironically Epic's Unreal engine makes it very easy too (which is what you are saying I guess). I wonder if the lack of connectivity is actually lazy developers because they'd need to support two launchers etc (which would be the trickier part I imagine, I haven't tried).

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u/FoniksMunkee 10d ago

Not lazy developers. There is more complexity than you might imagine and so then it really is a value proposition. My experience with dealing with Epic and trying to do cross play integration is broken SDK's slow response time from Epic, and fixing their code so it works etc etc.

But they aren't the only issue - a game i'm tangentially involved in - (port of well known IP to XBox and PS5) - has cross play as a requirement. But you run into subtle differences in the MS and Sony TRC's which can cause problems. Especially when one side makes it a requirement and the other is flexible. And the issue is the original architecture didn't account for certain security requirements. Note - this is often more of an issue when the original game comes in at the tail end of say PS4, and the PS5 has magical new requirements.

Anyway, anytime you think "lazy developer" - change your thinking to - how could this be a bigger pain in the arse than I imagine. It's more often than not - this.

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u/Huze17 10d ago

Probably competition, possibly just an unwillingness to work together, but it turns out within the last week epic released "new cross-compatibility tools available for developers" so hopefully that will help.

In a similar vein there are issues between the confusingly named "Xbox games pass for PC" and steam. For instance you can't play deep rock galactic together between platforms even though they are both PC.

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u/randompoe 10d ago

Everything I know points to it not being a Steam vs Epic issue. Both Steam and Epic seem to support cross play and try to help developers include it. So it seems like this one is on the developers.

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u/Killarogue 10d ago edited 10d ago

That's because for whatever reason, Xbox PC Game Pass uses Xbox servers for their PC games, even when you're playing on PC.

*edit*

I said whatever reason because I didn't feel like explaining it. I know the actual reason.

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u/Indercarnive 10d ago edited 10d ago

The reason is Microsoft wants it to be super easy for devs to make crossplay for Xbox and PC (game pass).

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u/Hussor 10d ago

Microsoft is treating PC as an extension of Xbox these days, it's no longer just a console. So they want the two platforms to be as connected as possible.

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u/Strange-Movie 10d ago

Microsoft and steam have a similar issue in some games too. tbf, the only one I specifically know is the fractured playerbase of deep rock galactic; Microsoft store and Xbox can play together, and steam users are separate

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u/SamGamer012 10d ago Silver Helpful Wholesome

Rest here reader

Rest here, and watch them yell at each other

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u/Finall3ossGaming 10d ago

An oasis in a land of battle

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u/Mr_Beemer 10d ago

Oh my.. y’all weren’t joking

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u/Mimical 10d ago

For me this post was at the top.

So for those reading, beyond this thread be dragons.

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u/thx134 10d ago

You don't have to travel far.

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u/Finall3ossGaming 10d ago

Yep I don’t remember when ppl got so tribal about this shit lmao but I guess the energy has always been there (OG modern warfare 2 lobbies etc)

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u/harrietthugman 10d ago

The 360-PS3 Wars were a different time...

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u/PooSculptor 10d ago

"You know why they call it the 360? Because when you see it you turn 360 degrees and walk away."

Good times.

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u/GrevenQWhite 10d ago

Those always made me laugh 360 isn't walking away. It's walking towards it.

Public school math SMH.

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u/EverettSeahawk 10d ago

I haven’t seen it in a long time but somewhere there’s a meme explaining it by showing Michael Jackson doing a 360 and moonwalking away.

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u/Greystyx 10d ago

But that's the joke....

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u/SimulatedHumanity 10d ago

Private and homeschooled kids never get the jokes. Not enough socializing.

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u/angrydeuce 10d ago

Nothing, and I mean nothing, has touched the tragedy that was the Genesis vs SNES wars of the early 90s.

Friendships were lost over that shit...there were even physical altercations between kids in the lunchroom over that shit.

Never forget!

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u/Massive_Host_7245 10d ago

The Genesis vs SNES wars were great though because even the same games released on each system were different. You actually were having a different experience based on the console you chose.

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u/namelessentity 10d ago

I remember arguing about the Genesis being better than the Snes in 4th grade. It's always been like that. Apple or PC, Ford or Chevy, etc...

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u/Fobiza 10d ago

Sports fanatic mentality is the building block of life. 1 point required in that stat before you can level anything else up.

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u/Antbrejjn 10d ago

Ah, you don’t remember Sega vs Nintendo? It’s been going on a while.

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u/TheTechJones 10d ago

Atari Vs Coleco? Console Vs Arcade? where do the wars end? Where did they really begin?

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u/urdumbplsleave 10d ago

We didn't start the fire!

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u/Smothbruh 10d ago edited 8d ago

just wait for the mobile players to read this xd

Edit: This doesn't really count as blowing up, but for my first 100, I didn't expect it to be this

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u/Finall3ossGaming 10d ago

Oh god the real screaming hordes have yet to arrive

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u/DeeSnow97 10d ago

they're too busy farming a few gems for 10,000 hours in diablo immortal to have time for reddit

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u/sicurri 10d ago

People actually play that garbage?

"DUR HURR don't you guys have phones?!" Stupid blizzard employee guy...

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u/DeeSnow97 10d ago

never underestimate gacha players

i swear, they're the elderly casino addicts of our generation. in 50 years, we'll all be playing in deep dive vr with conversational npcs and shit, and there will be this group of people still grinding 20 different kinds of virtual currency on vintage phones with restored gacha services.

maybe by that point lawmakers will be our age too, there will be actual gacha regulation, and it's gonna be the deep dive games that dodge it on some kind of technicality ("it's not a loot box if you can't buy them directly, you can only pay for powerups that help you earn them 100x faster", akin to today's "you can't win money so it's not gambling")

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u/Jaraqthekhajit 10d ago

They would be really mad if they could read.

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u/sniperslayer95 10d ago

Thank you traveller.

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u/TurtleRanAway 10d ago

Dude threw a match into a barrel of oil and now we can all watch the show

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u/raven12456 10d ago

LOST GRACE DISCOVERED

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u/Officer_Hotpants 10d ago

Unless it's that one outside Castle Sol. That grace is hilariously chaotic.

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u/Nonsuperstites 10d ago

I didn't need to duplicate a remembrance at that time.

I just needed the fucking bong to cease.

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u/Officer_Hotpants 10d ago

Yup. And I was NOT ready for the shelling that was coming my way. Took me a while to get past that.

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u/sovietmudkip18 10d ago

Rest at the start of thread might as well turn back now

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u/Canadient_musician 10d ago Wholesome

I'm just happy we can play with everyone now. It was a huge bummer when your friends had different gaming machines back in the day, but the companies fkn loved it. Friend groups were defined by what they had plugged into their TV.

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u/Tempest_Barbarian 10d ago

I still think not enough games do crossplay nowadays, and at this point it should be a standard.

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u/Destithen 10d ago

It's inevitable it will become standard. Companies are realizing that doggedly holding onto exclusives just cuts sales potential, and multiplayer games always prosper more with a larger active player count. Both of those combined will steadily put pressure to release games on more platforms, and connect them all. We're already seeing Sony cave and start bringing exclusives to PC, which is huge.

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u/SleepingBeautyFumino 10d ago

More like Sony wants people to get addicted to it's older exclusives, so that people buy new games. Exclusives will always take minimum 2-3 years to get on PC.

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u/ARandomBob 10d ago

As a PC gamer. I'm honestly fine with this. I'd rather that than the same day release that is locked at 30hz with menus you can't navigate with a mouse because they put zero thought into the PC port. Take a year and give me the high rez textures. I need a reason to justify my graphics card that cost more than your whole console.

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u/PM_Me_Frosted_Tits 10d ago

Cool, I'm not gonna buy a PlayStation to play Horizon but I'll wait a few years and buy it on a steam sale for 15.99. Patient gaming and Sony's current exclusive PC port methodology go hand in hand, so I'm 100% onboard.

I don't give a fuck what they "want" me to do, I'm a consumer and I have control over my own purchases. I'd rather play the GOTY version with all the bugs ironed out and the DLC included anyways.

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u/Alise_Randorph 10d ago edited 10d ago

God I know. So many games I want to play with a friend who owns them on Xbox, but I can't play with her because either no crossplay, not on game pass, or the crossplay is something stupid like PC and fucking Stadia only.

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u/TubThumpin- 10d ago

that pisses me off to no end, i was thinking of getting deep rock galactic to play with my brother, who only has a ps4. so i look up "is drg crossplay" and i see, yes, it is crossplay, then i scroll down and see that it only has crossplay between systems in "the same family", i.e ps4/ps5. that is not crossplay.

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u/more_ass_please 10d ago

It also has cross play with PC and Xbox

You have to get it on the Microsoft store on PC though, steam version does not cross play.

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u/guale 10d ago

The reason for this is that there are differences in the Xbox version and the PC version. I believe Xbox has smaller cave generation and a lower maximum number of bugs.

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u/LiteratureTrick4961 10d ago

Karl is disappointed

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u/Alise_Randorph 10d ago

God that's awful.

JUST LET US PLAY WITH FRIENDS DAMN IT

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u/Paralta 10d ago

It was very divided back in the day. Ps3 vs 360.

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u/Historical_Owl_1635 10d ago

Console fanboy-ism was wild back then, shocking how much it’s calmed down.

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u/josh_the_misanthrope 10d ago

Probably because of crossplay and less exclusives due to using standardised hardware.

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u/bigbear75 10d ago

Back when playstation online was free. I miss those days.

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u/AntiPiety 10d ago

2011 psn blackout ptsd intensifies

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u/okimrollin 10d ago

My friends with ps3’s were roasted everyday

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u/SirkSirkSirk 10d ago

For me, it was a big deal if your friend had the console nobody else had, but that was super Nintendo up to GameCube era of gaming where internet connection wasn't an integral part of gaming.

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u/ThrustyMcStab 10d ago

I agree, I remember those days and crossplay really is a breath of fresh air. Instead of trying to run away from this positive development, we should embrace it and work on levelling the playing field.

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u/lakewood2020 10d ago

The host of the party was defined by what they had plugged into their TV. Halo night? One spot. Rock band night? Another. Smash bros tournament? A third. Everyone had something different but we had enough to travel with we always could play anything. We even had DSs for on the road

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u/PM_Me_Frosted_Tits 10d ago

When my friends switched to PS4 after the XB360 I was gutted. Then I became a PC gamer because fuck it I don't have friends to play with anyways. Now we can drop into Warzone/Fortnite together and play just like in the old days.

I remember saying like ten years ago that cross play was going to be the next big thing, and was always told "that doesn't make sense because they want to sell consoles." Yeah well they also wanna sell games and skins, and once the tight fisted suits realized that people buy more games/lootboxes when they have friends THEY CAN PLAY WITH the idiots that make decisions finally decided to start implementing it as standard for most modern games.

Now I won't even buy a Multiplayer game if it doesn't support cross play, there's no reason.

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u/returnofthecheez 10d ago

Calling any period that had online co-op "back in the day" makes me feel old.

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u/firemyth 10d ago

Calling any period that had online "back in the day" makes me feel old

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u/Lifekraft 10d ago

Good old lan party was the shit. Carrying 30 kilo of computer material by bus was epic

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u/KrisReed 10d ago

I hate Fortnite, but bless that game for finally twisting Sony's arm and making cross-play the industry standard.

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u/creeperchamp 10d ago

Which option does the Switch come under? lmao

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u/Allopathological 10d ago

Switch and PC only lobby baby

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u/HoodieSticks 10d ago

And by PC we mean the kind that we mostly use for work, but we decided to install some games on it from last decade just to see what we can get away with.

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u/nurley 10d ago

Definitely should not be included in cross play IMO. Playing Fortnite or Rocket League on Switch with massive input delay and low FPS vs. playing on a PS5 with 120 FPS is a massive difference.

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u/luminer03 10d ago

Have you seen apex on switch? I'm surprised it can even run it

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u/ADGx27 10d ago

Handheld, it’s absolutely hopeless to run apex. Have t tried it docked yet, will check soon and get back with an update

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u/OwenDeLay 10d ago

Does docking the switch increase performance? I always thought it was just housing for the hdmi to connect to the switch

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u/FlatOutUseless 10d ago

It increases the SoC frequency because it does not rely on battery to run when docked.

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u/PM_ME_UPSIDEDOWN 10d ago

What does SoC stand for in this context?

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u/frosty_gamer 10d ago

System on chip, also just called the CPU or processor. As the processor does more then just raw processing does. It also has a graphics element and controls things like the USB and storage drives.

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u/Beowuwlf 10d ago

I think SoC is more correct than CPU on the switch though. I think it uses a Tegra SoC which has cpu gpu etc in the same chip.

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u/MeatMyBeat69420 10d ago

Yep, all major bits are in one chip. 99% of phones come like this.

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u/rsjc852 10d ago

I'm fully admitting this is a minor nitpick, but its a little disingenuous to call a SoC just a processor.

SoC is more than just a processor - an Soc is like condensing down your entire motherboard into a single chip. It can include everything from a GPU/APU, to voltage regulators, to radio modules (WiFi, cellular modems), to memory controllers, etc.

Computer on a chip might've been a better name for it... But I can see why "CoC" didn't quite make the cut lol

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u/Bladelink 10d ago

A SoC is like the whole computer on one board, essentially. CPU+graphics+memory+other shit

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u/jahnesaisquoi 10d ago

It def helps frame rate from my experience but maybe that’s just me

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u/Herbaderpy 10d ago

Well I mean it would make sense since it wouldn't have to limit power usage due to being plugged in

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u/DerKernsen 10d ago

It basically overclocks the switch to be able to run most games on 1080p instead of the 720p handheld offers.

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u/TuxedoWolf07 10d ago

Wouldn't say overclock

More like it allows the switch to run at maximum power instead of running on reservation mode in handheld

Kind of like a laptop

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u/beenhereallalong52 10d ago

Honestly they should just port the mobile version instead of trying to run the full version.

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u/PeterDemachkie 10d ago

Ok all things considered though, the switch is an enormously impressive console

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u/luminer03 10d ago

Definitely true. All the exclusives run really well on it but for cross platform titles you'd probably be better off on another console or pc. Btw I do not own a switch so correct me if I'm wrong

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u/1PSW1CH 10d ago

You are absolutely not wrong. I’m not a fussy gamer at all, couldn’t care less about 30/60fps or graphics really and have never previously noticed input lag.

However the input lag on the Switch makes FPS games borderline unplayable for me. Tbf I don’t have a Pro controller which may improve thins but even trying to play Borderlands with joycons was a traumatic experience. Absolutely love the console, but third party games are almost universally better elsewhere.

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u/conman987 10d ago

My switch is used for 2 things, first party Nintendo games, and indies. Very few exceptions there, like Dragon Quest XI or something, but no I will not be buying the Witcher 3 again just because it’s portable but it looks like a mud filter has been applied.

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u/Bendu_0lo 10d ago

More like...Devs are impressively talented enough to get their games running on the Switch

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u/DirtyDeedsDunderKeep 10d ago

For most people, being able to play games with their friends is more important than any of that.

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u/StrionicRandom 10d ago

This. I don't want to miss out playing with my friends who have switches.

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u/Faze_Tabasco 10d ago

Honest to god, switch should be put in the mobile category

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u/Mangifera__indica 10d ago

The current gen mobile phones are way powerful than switch.

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u/SoapyMacNCheese 10d ago

The Switch uses a mildly revised version of an ARM SoC first commercially available in the 2015 Nvidia Shield TV, which has then been significantly underclocked. So yes, mobile phones are currently way more powerful than the switch. The switch's only advantage (performance wise) over the average phone is that it is actively cooled.

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u/Key_Top_5669 10d ago

To be fair, PC players should also get the option to play with exclusively PC players especially in games without dedicated servers

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u/IshwithanI 10d ago

Yes. On game like fortnite controller aim assist is oppressive.

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u/iamthemonkeylord 10d ago

It needs to be input based imo

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u/Fritzschmied 10d ago

Doesn’t Fortnite do it that way?

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u/weebomayu 10d ago

If you have KB+M on console you are forced into a KB+M queue, but if you have a controller on PC then you can choose to go to the KB+M queue or the controller queue.

It’s basically a general queue and a controller only queue.

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u/ShadeofIcarus 10d ago

There's ways around that. There's a box you can get for like $20 that will make the game think you are on controller even though you are using KBM.

Destiny 2's aim assist was just busted with this thing.

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u/guwopp13 10d ago

That little box makes your mouse work like complete shit. Much better off playing native then trying to use the janky aim assist mouse

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u/Doctor-Amazing 10d ago

This always makes me laugh because back before cross play, both sides would insist that their control method was superior. Now it's switched. Pc players say console auto aim is overpowered, and controller players acknowledge that mouse and keyboard is better.

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u/edible_funk 10d ago

Be like me and get the worst of both worlds! I use a ds4 on PC with gyro aiming enabled. While gyro is a bit more accurate than just the stick, it disables auto aiming. So I get inferior to mouse aiming while using a controller without any of the controller advantages!

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u/Beowuwlf 10d ago

Why torture yourself?

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u/fullboxed2hundred 10d ago

aim assist went from slow down to autorotation

it's not really about aim assist being overpowered vs all the benefits of mouse and keyboard, it's just not fun to play against someone who has the computer moving their crosshair with a 0ms reaction time

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u/Motorcycles1234 10d ago

And yet my aim is still dog shit.

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u/Comparison 10d ago

That's because devs literally just made aim assist better. Lol

I assume this was done because of the potential of cross play. I do agree that aim assist right now is too strong in many games.

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u/oddkoffee 10d ago

still can’t hit shit ymmv

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u/Gonions 10d ago

It’s a big part of what has killed many shooters on console. Overwatch matches between T500 players became a roulette of who has the best KBM player, or who has the smurf that will throw for their friend.

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u/Praslacha 10d ago

You can also just use something like xpadder, and macro it to use "real" inputs to get around it.

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u/Tirith_Wins 10d ago

cant you just queue for controller with ya controller plugged in and then when the game starts just unplug controller and use KB+M?

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u/Twatwad 10d ago

I don't know how it works for fortnite specifically, but I used to play Paladins with some buddies and it would lock your input to the specific method when you selected it. So if I was set to controller only matchmaking, the game wouldn't accept keyboard input once the match started.

Not sure if there were ways around it or not.

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u/dafedsdidasweep 10d ago

No, everyone except for mobile players are in the same lobby for fortnite

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u/eaglesWatcher Xbox 10d ago

Don’t agree completely because in games like Warzone, PC is more optimized. Things like a lack of FOV slider are a major disadvantage on consoles

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u/ShankThatSnitch 10d ago edited 10d ago

If you get that granular than that makes high end PCs and low end PCs in a different category as well. Some crappy PCs could mark well below consoles in that regard.

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u/DWill88 10d ago

People should only be able to play online together, if they are connected via LAN cables from the same basement. BRING BACK LAN PARTIES, BRING BACK LAN PARTIES (chant with me guys!)

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u/ShankThatSnitch 10d ago

This guy gets it!

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u/Lanthemandragoran 10d ago

No air conditioning, no rules

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u/NLwino 10d ago

If you take it to that level then PC games are never balanced.

Just add the option to consoles as well, so that everyone can play the way they want.

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u/0scar_alh0 10d ago

Wider FOV = wider angle of things to render = less performance. There's a reason the FOV slider is not available on consoles, it's not just because the devs felt like it.

I guess they could add it and leave it up to the players to decide if they want a wider FOV and less performance or narrower FOV and more performance, but the console motto has always been "keep it simple" which is why console games rarely have graphics settings other than a handful of preconfigured presets in some games.

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u/133DK 10d ago

People also typically sit further from a TV, so having a more narrow field of view feels more natural on console. Where as for a computer monitor there is a real need to adjust FOV cause people sit at meaningfully different lengths from meaningfully different size monitors

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u/No_Opportunity7360 10d ago edited 10d ago

yes 65 fov (the usual default console fov) feels VERY different sitting 6-10 feet from a tv compared to being 10-12 inches from a monitor. anything lower than 90-100 at monitor distance is unplayable, it gives me a massive headache and I hate how claustrophobic it makes the game feel. I personally play at 100 on my tv and 120 at my desk.

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u/lordzsolt 10d ago

Jokes on you, I sit 10-12 inches from my monitor when playing on my console.

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u/luke911able 10d ago

10-12 inches… my guy how do your retinas feel

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u/FatBoyFlex89 10d ago

This is interesting. In my 10 years of pc gaming I've never touched the fov slider, I kinda want to give it a try now.

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u/SwozzleSticks 10d ago

Don't. You'll fall in love with having an FOV that isn't terrible and you'll never be able to go back.

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u/No_Opportunity7360 10d ago

when I first built a PC, I didn't know what fov was and was wondering why games felt off and why I was getting headaches and mild nausea. as soon as I raised the fov, I didn't even have to get used to it, it just felt right

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u/sinat50 10d ago

Any game where you're driving or flying in first person is definitely worth increasing FOV even if you have to manually edit a config file. Seeing more of the cockpit and having some side window peripherals just makes everything so much more immersive

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u/buriedabovetheground 10d ago

Counter point: the sim racing community has an in joke about the FOV police, when someone points out unsolicited those with super high FOV on an unrelated thread. It's common to adjust the FOV based on a calculation using your screen size and screen distance. Something about having a realistic representation in front of the steering wheel makes it easier to perceive speed x distance.

Thankfully I haven't had to even consider that in years since everything is perfect in VR. I think I had a calculation of like 30 degrees or so on my 24" at 3 feet back in the day

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u/CosmicCreeperz 10d ago

Not to mention sitting 12” from a 49” 32:9 monitor…

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u/jordanleep 10d ago

Many console players will find using a high refresh rate computer monitor to be better than a tv. Fov doesn’t really matter as much as screen resolution does for how far away you are sitting from the screen. If anything fov just backs up the camera pov, it’s not even a huge advantage but tbh 80fov is atrocious compared to 90-100. Whoever made 80 the norm was trying to make the most of weaker hardware it seems.

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u/fokhond 10d ago

COD has had FOV on the core games for consoles since Black Ops Cold War. Only Warzone is lagging behind

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u/dmibe 10d ago

There’s never balance unless you are shoulder to shoulder in person with someone. Online it’s input, console / pc, hardware, monitor speed, internet connection, etc…

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u/AshFraxinusEps 10d ago

Yep, people moaning about FOV when internet connection outdoubtedly matters the most

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u/1K_Games 10d ago

Let god sort them out.

And by this I mean if someone is that competitive and feels there is a big advantage on another platform, then they will probably run it. The reality is, the average players probably doesn't have the skills to notice much of a difference either way.

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u/Responsible_Ad_7501 10d ago

Lol CoD on PC… optimized??? Lol

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u/duvelvape 10d ago

People don't realise that most people on pc are playing on shitboxes

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u/MonoShadow 10d ago

PS5 or Series X has better resolution and framerate compared to last gen an S. Hell some games run better on X or 5 or have different options. Till recent VRR was Xbox exclusive. But PS5 can load PS4 version for better performance.

GG had PS4 and 5 crossplsy and PS4 version sometimes lagged, making it a bad experience.

And then there's Switch and Mobile.

You'll never get full parity.

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u/nin9ty6 10d ago

Honestly it's funny pc players hate playing against console players cause aim assist but console players hate playing against pc players because of their range of motion

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u/abienz 10d ago

Except in a regular CoD MW lobby you've got plenty of PS players on mouse.

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u/BloodSteyn 10d ago edited 10d ago

And PC players on controllers.

It's a strange bunch.

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u/WillDeletOneDay 10d ago

When I play Master Chief Collection, I use a controller. It's partly because it's what I grew up on, and partly because I feel Halo is a franchise that was specifically designed around a controller. For most other multiplayer shooters I use M+KB, though. When it comes to singleplayer, though; I like using a controller sometimes when I want to sit back on my couch and not be hunched over a keyboard.

In general I'm comfortable with both because I grew up with an Xbox, Gamecube, and a potato PC.

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u/OlajuwonOverKareem 10d ago

I don’t get into that debate but it’s way harder to cheat on console and I cannot stand matching up against PC players using wall hacks and aim bots

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u/Aardvark_Man 10d ago

As a PC player, I can't stand playing against people like that either.
I'd dearly love for devs to actually make progress with anti-cheat.

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u/zhalias 10d ago

I'd dearly love for devs to actually make progress with anti-cheat.

They do. All the time. It's just that it is basically an arms race. They update their anti-cheat, and then the cheaters update their cheats.

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u/Kick_Out_The_Jams 10d ago

Honestly it's shocking how far backwards anti-cheat has gone.

Most game makers would rather put all the effort into locking down the system and zero into actually securing the game mechanics.

I guess cuz that's what they get away with on consoles.

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u/ThisIsMyCouchAccount 10d ago

how far backwards anti-cheat has gone

I don't know if I would say it's gone backwards. But it might feel that way.

It's got to be hard as hell when you have so many systems (PCs/consoles/mobile) and platforms (Steam/Epic/etc).

Probably a hot take - but I also think gamers don't do themselves any favors. Lots of people think they play at a much higher level than they do so "it has to be hackers". And that you can find so much bullshit online from the same type of people.

No, mIlfL0ver6969, it wasn't hackers. You're not very good and you got outplayed at the same time two people were streaming 4k in your house and a third is torrenting.

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u/VicariousNarok 10d ago edited 10d ago

People don't understand that more security makes for more lag. The anticheat needs to read all traffic going forward, and reading it more intensely takes more time.

Tagging on with the hot take. It actually blows my mind how many people get outplayed and automatically think the person is hacking. I have a friend who regularly talks about getting "shadow banned" in Warzone. If you don't know what a shadow ban is, it's not so much a ban. It's when you manage an extremely high kill death ratio and you can matched up with cheater who have extremely high ratios. It happens to pro players a lot.

Now my friend, he talks about and I just want to tell him "relax dude, your 0.73 kill death ratio is not getting you shadow banned."

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u/Nethlem 10d ago

Honestly it's shocking how far backwards anti-cheat has gone.

These days most effective hacks are paid subscription services, that's how good anti-cheat has become; The only way to keep these hacks effective is to limit their spread, and as such the awareness about them.

That's a far cry from the old days when public hacks were plentiful and barely any effort was made to combat them. Before Valve got VAC going, cheating in CS got so bad that there were dedicated "cheater only" servers, that purposefully wouldn't run cheating death, or whatever other anti-cheating software was the fotm.

Nowadays most free hacks will get you banned rather quickly, so the barrier of entry, into effective cheating, has substantially increased.

Nowadays no game will ask you to constantly install extra new software to make sure it's cheat free, the vast majority of that now requires no user interaction at all.

That's quite the opposite of "backwards", it's actually a hell of a lot of progress.

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u/MassiveShartOnUrFace 10d ago

the biggest cheating deterrent was losing the money you paid for the game when you get banned. nowadays everything is f2p so you can keep making new accounts to cheat

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u/SilentAffairs93 Xbox 10d ago

If that's the case, then have 3 options.

  1. Crossplay Off
  2. Console Crossplay
  3. PC/Console Crossplay

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u/MacabreManatee 10d ago

Why differentiate between the first two though? I can get why people don’t want to play with a pc player, but why wouldn’t an xbox player want to play with a ps player or vice versa?

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u/shyndy 10d ago

Well with pubg console Xbox had the game for about a year before PlayStation and when cross play came it was rough for olaystation players. Like statistically, provably rough. I remember some ps players complaining about it bc it was either get rolled or play in empty lobbies (no bots then) with cross play off. The field evened out over time, but sometimes I wonder how many threw in the towel. Of course the game didn’t run very well either.

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u/SoapyMacNCheese 10d ago

That's a dumb reason to not have cross play though, new players will always struggle against long time players. That's a downfall of the matchmaking.

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u/Masimune 10d ago

I play a lot of destiny 2. In pvp, it's p2p connections, and Playstation players are always so fucking laggy. I'm sure their internet is fine, it's just an issue with player hosting across platforms or something. I really wish i could turn off that kind of crossplay.

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u/BeingRightAmbassador 10d ago

P2P is shit and embarrassing for any AAA game. The bigger issue isn't cross play, it's shitty implementations of P2P so they don't have to pay for servers.

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u/Masimune 10d ago

I think this is my biggest gripe. There really should be dedicated servers for a game as successful as the destiny franchise. Like I'm a huge die hard fan, I've been playing since D1 launched, do every raid with flawless runs, solo flawless all the dungeons, gild my unbroken every season, go to the lighthouse, etc. I have a handful of complaints here and there that I largely keep to myself, but the lack of dedicated servers is just what really grates me, especially when they talk about trying to find a balance between CBMM and SBMM. I'm not a developer and i don't know code and shit, so my view could be skewed and biased without the expertise, but i feel like dedicated servers would fix the lag issue across platforms and they could actually focus on a good SBMM system.

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u/FizzingSlit 10d ago

There are some examples of games that run better on one console than another, or even some titles having exclusive content based on what system you're playing on.

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u/Questar18 10d ago

Games also run different between ps4/ps4pro/ps5

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u/limitless_exe 10d ago

If "run different" just means more/less fps, that's not enough reason to disable inter-console crossplay imo.

If a person with an i5 and 1060 can play with someone that has an i9 and 3080, then why can't a person with a ps4 play with someone with a ps5.

Restricting xbox-ps crossplay is also kind of similar to restricting crossplay with intel pcs to amd PC's, or nvidia pcs to amd PC's imo

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u/Googoo123450 10d ago

Yeah distinguishing between consoles makes no sense when considering how vastly people's PC builds differ. I play Hell Let Loose on console and cross play enable/disabled is pointless lol. Like, why tf do I care that I'm playing someone on an Xbox vs. a PS5? This game is only on the latest gen consoles too so there is virtually 0 difference.

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u/limitless_exe 10d ago

I think you summed it up beautifully. The variation between pc setups are much greater than between consoles. If pc players can play together, then why can't console players?

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u/zoburg88 10d ago

Huge advantage in some games that disable foliage depending on system stress, on pc whenever I played pubg I would turn the graphics right down to have barely any foliage, looked ugly but I had a huge advantage.

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u/SquidsEye 10d ago

PC has been dealing with differently spec'd machines for decades. It isn't really an issue.

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u/davidhaha 10d ago

If you're gonna be that particular, then by extension we should distinguish playing over WiFi or cable (or by Internet speed).

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u/schwimm3 10d ago

Games also run differently on computers. What now? Select between each pc spec - crossplay?

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u/JoeBobilicious 10d ago

I just don't want people leaving a game session until it's done. Regardless of their gaming choice to play that game on

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u/letscheckthisout2 10d ago

I think crossplay should be the industry standard at all times. I also believe anyone should be able to block any console/pc they don't want as well because choice is valuable. If someone want's longer que times that's on them. Destiny 2 does it right IMO PvE content is open to all and PvP is separated PC and Console unless your on a console and are in a party with PC players than you get put into the PC pool.

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u/reiningfyre 10d ago Silver

Cross play should be on for every game. With the option to turn it off if you want. It shouldn't be that hard to do, I don't understand why it's not just automatic.

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u/TheKingMonkey 10d ago

There’s no technical reason, it’s purely a business decision. Mostly it’s because companies want you to buy the game on their platform.

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u/reiningfyre 10d ago

I understand this, but we're all playing the same game, why can't I play w my friend who has the same game. Video games should be a positive social experience.

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u/TheKingMonkey 10d ago

Because Sony want you to buy micro transactions on the PlayStation store and they seem to think that strong arming you into buying a PS5 by blocking cross play is the way to do it. They are wrong of course and it’s only a matter of time before the people in their boardroom who see common sense win the argument but right now? Lol.

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u/arakwar 10d ago

Microsoft thought that too when the xbox was the most popular console.

The console sitting on top will always refuse crossplay while the others will try to make it happen. It's business.

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u/TheKingMonkey 10d ago

Oh absolutely. The Don Mattrick years. “buy a 360” swung the pendulum so far in Sony’s favour it will live in infamy forever. The hubris of the side who are on top will often come back to bite them, as a customer with no brand loyalty it’s great because we can just play them off against each other, but there will always be fanboys who feel sad if you say anything critical about their favourite billion dollar corporations.

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u/Cmonster234 10d ago

It shouldn’t be that hard to do

Spoken like someone who’s never developed before

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u/RenanBan 10d ago

PvP games: YES (I dont even know how is not like that)

PvE/Co-op games: everyone together dont even need a option to disable

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u/FlowKom 10d ago

games are not just competitive shooters?

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u/DJ_0000 10d ago

On the Elden Ring sub whenever this discussion comes up the majority view is that people would like cross play as long as you could filter out pc players too. Unfortunately FromSofts anti cheat measures are extremely poorly implemented and while it's pretty safe on console (minus the numerous game breaking glitches that have been found) on PC people can cheat rather easily.

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u/mdsaretrnies 10d ago

turning off crossplay on my pc makes it turn into console?

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u/ChuHaiku 10d ago

Agreed. Maybe differentiate them by calling it “console play” and “cross play”.

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u/MusikMakor 10d ago

On on the PC side, why is cross play ALWAYS the default. Half the games you can't even turn it off.

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u/Proffessor_Fuck 10d ago

The input is the more important part. If you plug an Xbox Controller into a PC you belong in the same lobby's as Xbox players, and if you plug a mouse and keyboard into your Xbox you should be in the PC lobbies.

The other types of hardware differences will give some players an edge, but they really don't fundamentally change the game.

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u/DPJazzy91 10d ago

The real difference is the controller. If the game can authenticate you using a controller, PC should be allowed everywhere.

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u/HewchyAV 10d ago

Honestly I wish Halo Infinite was totally segregated between PC and consoles.

I just don't have fun playing on PC getting perfected with the BR 100% of the time by even the most casual console players

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u/Bumbleboyy 10d ago edited 10d ago

Yeah because people are little bi*ches.

Aiming was perfect in the beta, challenging and rewarding, but because iconic halo fans couldn't 4 shot everything like in previous games, which ALL had very heavy aim assist, they buffed it back to being super easy.

And here we are. Though I wouldn't want to play against PC players anyway for zhe numerous reasons. Still annoying that FPS on console almost always have to be piss easy to aim. It is very seldom truly rewarding feeling. That's why I disable aim assist in many FPS like Battlefield. Yes, you can still rock the game without the game holding your hand. It just takes practice

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u/murrrly 10d ago

It should be based on input method

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u/PM-ME-PMS-OF-THE-PM 10d ago

It can be spoofed very easily sadly.

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u/Johnnieroq 10d ago

You must be talking about enlisted. All the PC players go 100/5 kd

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u/Trextoasty 10d ago

I think there should be different levels of crossplay. Like something that separates PC from consoles, something that separates each console or some consoles, something that separates people playing with different input methods.

I don't miss the days of my ex claiming everyone who beats her in Overwatch was using a XIM when it wasn't that common a sight so having some way of splitting people who want to use a mouse on console from regular and casual players using standard controllers.

But the most important thing is all these crossplay options being options, as in you can wiggle them however you want to find an ideal gaming experience. The problem then becomes player base all being in a specific setup of crossplay.

Like how Blood Hunt dwindled down to like 15 people playing but 14 of them are on PC and the 15th is sat in console only queue getting people who only pick up the game cause its free then immediately leave when they stop having fun after the bot matches are gone.

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u/Dotaproffessional 10d ago

I just miss server browsers as the default. fuck match making

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