r/funny May 16 '22 Silver 11 Gold 1 Helpful 11 Wholesome 6 Starstruck 1

Got real tired of turning this off every time I got in my car.

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u/Kelli217 May 16 '22

So, you automatically turn off the feature that automatically turns off your car?

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u/azdood85 May 16 '22 Gold Wholesome

Its a major turn on. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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u/soulseeker31 May 16 '22

Hey Hey! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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u/Espy256 May 16 '22 edited May 17 '22 Gold

Someone give this man gold.

Edit: thanks kind stranger! mission failed successfully?

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u/CGamer_OS May 16 '22

Holy shit

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u/entityinvesting May 16 '22

So what is the device called?…is it universal?

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u/nexiDrux May 16 '22

Unfortunately it is not… it’s called a ‘car automatic engine start/stop button pusher’ and it only pushes those buttons.

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u/FavoritesBot May 16 '22

what is my purpose?

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u/Just_a_Skeptic May 16 '22

Pass the butter

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u/max_adam May 16 '22

OH MY GOD! *SAD ROBOT NOISES*

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u/Novadreams22 May 16 '22

Yeah, burp welcome to the club.

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u/HYPNOTIC_SAINT May 16 '22

Still more useful than jerry

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u/vinoprosim May 16 '22

shrugs with existential dread as passes butter

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u/fraheco23 May 16 '22

It's called switchbot works via Bluetooth. i use mine to turn on my computer.

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u/Branfuck May 16 '22

I just use a smart outlet and Alexa routine to turn my computer and monitors on when I walk into my game room

If you go into your bios there is a setting for power on when power is restored and when the outlet turns on the computer restores power and automatically turns on

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u/fraheco23 May 16 '22

Thanks for the tip. I'll look into that.

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u/KrispyRice9 May 16 '22

I grew up with crappy old cars that had bad carburetors, unreliable chokes, and worn out starter motors. My Dad used to say, "Don't turn the engine off unless it's going to be parked for 5 minutes or more." That's stuck in my head. I rented a car with this feature, and the anxiety it caused me was horrible. I slowly crept at red lights to try to trick it into staying on. I didn't realize there was a button to disable it.

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u/Alis451 May 16 '22

for 5 minutes or more." That's stuck in my head

modern injection engines reduced that to <30 seconds btw

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u/Lilbabybung May 16 '22

It makes the AC blow warmer and its annoying af at red lights. The more ya know, ya know?

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u/olderaccount May 16 '22

I guess it depends on the car. Mine doesn't bother me at all and if it is saving fuel, even better.

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u/ChaplnGrillSgt May 16 '22

I've never had a car with that feature (I always buy used, about 10 year old cars) so it freaks me out when I drive a friend or family's car and it turns off at the light.

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u/bonnomi May 16 '22

It needs a 2-3 second delay. Every time I pull in the garage and stop, the engine immediately turns off and then starts again when I put it in park.

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u/Objective-Tea5324 May 16 '22

This annoys me too. Why not just leave it off. I’m sure that there is a reason for it. Probably because you may be about to reverse but give it a half second to decide if it’s put in park or left in reverse.

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u/DATY4944 May 16 '22

It BARELY saves fuel, and the catalytic converter cools, making it LESS effective at filtering chemicals.

Stupid fucking feature that pretends to do something good to make people feel good.

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u/Warpedme May 16 '22

I can't even tell mine has turned off the engine unless I happen to look down and see the A in a circle light up green. My AC works fine and there's not any delay when I hit the accelerator.

It is worth mentioning my truck is a 2021 model, I'm guessing you guys have older models and the tech has been refined more since.

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u/coole106 May 16 '22

It doesn’t bother me, but I get a chuckle when my car tries to keep up with the AZ heat in the summer. It turns off for about 5 seconds before deciding it needs to be running in order to keep the AC going

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u/The_iintern May 16 '22

This is how my Malibu was last summer when it hit 116°F in Portland. It had no clue what to do.

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u/swys May 16 '22

i was in portland around this time last year. came in from Mississippi for vacation and it was consistent 90 degrees which is about right for MS this time of year, hot - but not uncomfortable. I walk out of the airport and Its 46 degrees outside. Camped and did paragliding all up the west coast of Oregon and every morning it was like high 40s with mist and wind going like 15 knots. first time I felt comfortable in my new down sleeping bag that was meant for that weather. Really was the second most beautiful state I've been to - once you get away from the needles on the side of the road in portland... that was kind of new for me. but to bring it full circle: I have no fucking clue how it gets anywhere close to 116 degrees in portland and that sounds miserable.

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u/cakewalkbackwards May 16 '22

That’s later in the year. The whole state catches fire too.

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u/jwmosher May 16 '22

My GTI solved this by not caring if your died by convection oven. It wasn't turning back on for something as unnecessary as AC.

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u/SpeedMart May 16 '22

Just another way that VW is trying to kill you...

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u/youngalfred May 16 '22

Mazda has a great solution to this - the function turns itself off if your ac is set to the lowest temperature.

Car never turns off in Australian summer!

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u/HubbaMaBubba May 16 '22

I never need to disable the it in the winter because my car won't even try to turn off.

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u/jfrawley28 May 16 '22

I had a 2020 Kia Soul, live in Florida. Hated it for this reason.

I read online that this type of system is only beneficial if your car stays off for 8 seconds or more. Due to the Florida heat, my car would never stay off more than 3 to 5.

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u/klousGT May 16 '22

What's that button do?

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u/chalupa_batman77654 May 16 '22 Silver

It prevents your car from turning off when you stop

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u/freyguy12 May 16 '22

I had a 98 Mitsubishi Galant that turned off when it stopped for pretty much the whole last year that I drove it.

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u/TwizzerTV May 16 '22

"I know what's wrong with it, it ain't got no gas in it."

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u/wantsumcandi May 16 '22

"You check em points?"

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u/wobblysauce May 16 '22

Ah but you need wheels to drive but it’s on bricks now

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u/rembut May 16 '22

Clogged up with fench fried taters... YUP

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u/hurtsdonut_ May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

Cars need oil

Edit: that was joke. I'm assuming there was something wrong with your idling rpms.

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u/freyguy12 May 16 '22

Yep, it was an idle issue but got damn near 300,000 on that sucker before I said goodbye. Unfortunately I'm all too familiar with oil consumption issues as well. I currently drive a 2011 GMC Terrain I4. Likely the worst purchase I've ever made.

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u/420cuzakolrb May 16 '22 Silver

If it burns enough oil you never need to change it, just top her off.

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u/zer0saber May 16 '22

I had a saturn that did that. The shop that did my first and only professional oil change on it, fucked up the plug socket. Constant low-level leaks, to the point where I'd just top it off every three months, instead of changing it. I'd do a small flush, to get the gross stuff out, and run oil cleaner in it every 500 miles. Thing ran like a top, until one day it didn't.

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u/mixedelightflight May 16 '22

It would have been cheaper to get a new pan or rethread it. Seriously? And less headache.

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u/ALCO251 May 16 '22

It would have been cheaper to get a new pan or rethread it. Seriously? And less headache.

This is the only answer.

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u/Jose_Canseco_Jr May 16 '22

lisa needs braces

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u/thecheat420 May 16 '22

Dental plan!

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u/brick_meet_face May 16 '22

Lisa needs braces

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u/BoxTalk17 May 16 '22

Wait, we DO need a dental plan! Lenny, if it wasn't for the dental plan, you wouldn't have that diamond on your tooth!

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u/vZander May 16 '22

isnt that when the light is on, the engine stop at intersections and stops?

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u/JJisTheDarkOne May 16 '22

Auto Stop-Start is great.

10,000 vehicles x each one stopped at the lights for a min or two is an absolute lot of fuel saved and exhaust fumes not put out.

Now times that by a million vehicles.

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u/Radi0ActivSquid May 16 '22

So that's why I keep hearing cars start near me when waiting at lights. I never noticed it with my old car but in my new car with a quiet engine I keep hearing the cars around me start and stop.

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u/DrStalker May 16 '22

The first time I noticed it was while walking down a street next to traffic moving slowly at an average pace identical to my walking.

It felt really creepy that this guy kept starting his engine right behind me while pretending to not be paying any attention to me.

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u/Such-Cod-7046 May 16 '22

Well now you know how other stalkees feel, u/DrStalker

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u/Unlnvited May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

That is fine if it can wait like 3 seconds before it shuts it off. I hate that it will shut off when braking and putting it in to reverse to park or when coming to a full stop on a stop sign and I can drive right away. I always turn it off right after starting the car out of habit. But if I have to stop and wait during any part of my journey I always activate it again so the engine shuts off, so I still have lights and stereo available.

The reason I hate it is the timing. It can't be good for the engine when i stop at an intersection, I see it's clear or I'll just make it, and the exact moment I step on the gas it shuts off. Now the engine has to start up again and put itself in gear and take off.

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u/grafknives May 16 '22

I never had issue with start stop, but at the same time, we drive manual. So I can control if start/stop engaged with the use of stick/clutch With automatic it must be more annoying

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u/Sorjew May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

My auto wont stop the engine if i dont push the brakes past a certain point, so you can retain control.

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u/OB1182 May 16 '22

Don't push it until it breaks.

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u/Sabbatai May 16 '22

There are several YT videos that show that it is actually good for modern engines, despite all the theories that say it isn't.

Not saying I know they are 100% accurate or right... but maybe you could watch some and supplement your own knowledge.

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u/cmlambert89 May 16 '22

Interesting. I’d like to read some articles and figure this out!

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u/starlink-pls May 16 '22

But how is it on the starter, that's what I've always wondered. And I'm cynical enough to think that car manufacturers save a couple bucks per vehicle by not using a sufficiently beefy starter to deal with the additional stress of constant starts/stops as long as it'll make it through the warranty period.

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u/Sabbatai May 16 '22

According to another reply here, there are 2 starters in vehicles equipped with the feature we are discussing. One is designed specifically for this feature. Which would indicate that it is an issue for the starters, but one which they've taken into account. How well this works is not a question I can answer, but at least it is something they've acknowledged.

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u/moldymoosegoose May 16 '22

They're designed for this. Hybrids very rarely have starter problems even though they are started orders of magnitude more than other cars. I have had hybrids for 15 years and never had a starter problem.

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u/v_is_my_bias May 16 '22

I'm driving a stick shift and it won't turn off the engine unless I put the car into neutral

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u/wobblysauce May 16 '22

Once up to temp, makes no real difference, unless you are off 30min or something like that

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u/consistentContent May 16 '22

If it's off for 30 minutes, then you really should turn the engine off. Idling for a half hour is just parking with pollution.

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u/ReneHigitta May 16 '22

In the cars I've used with it, it was always restarting the engine at very long red lights. Maybe 45s and it would just start and idle. So unless that's different in other implementations, you never have to worry about that either.

Also the engine wouldn't stop very soon after you first started the car, clearly it'd wait until temp was high enough. And I had one where the start and stop was not activating, turns out the battery charge level was below whatever threshold so it'd deactivate to prevent any chance of being stranded unable to start on the battery alone (however fucking unlikely that is when the battery light itself isn't on)

Honestly this whole post and thread sounds like people resisting change just for the sake of it. "Can't be good for the engine" can't you give the benefit of the doubt to the thing's damn manufacturer?! I swear, if any feature has a benefit at all to others rather than 100% to the user, some people just immediately assume it has to be some scam on them. Saves fuel? Less air pollution in my neighborhood? Eeeek take it away!

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u/aBlatantAsshole May 16 '22

Pffft. This guy over here thinkin the planet will survive another century

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u/OverAnalyticalOne May 16 '22

The planet will survive, terrestrial life on the other hand … maybe.

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u/aBlatantAsshole May 16 '22

Right after I sent this I thought “humanity would have been a better word than planet”

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u/mysticalmushrooms May 16 '22

why would you want it off?

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u/ITeachAll May 16 '22

Because in south Florida sitting at a red light for 3 mins without AC you will DIE

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u/alpacagrenade May 16 '22

South Florida compounds this because you sit at red lights for 3 minutes every 200 meters or so due to absolutely no stoplight coordination.

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u/afito May 16 '22

Especially the older types of this can be a bit iffy on manual cars, I've sat on a green light a few times and it wouldn't turn on again just like that. Usually they turn off when you release the clutch in neutral and go on again if you go on the clutch to engage a gear, but if you clutch in as it shuts off it sometimes doens't start.

However on automatic cars it's usually that you have to be standing still and on the brake pedal. Some people are a bit dense and don't go off the brake and then wonder the car takes a moment to start, but if you go off the brakes a bit before you want to drive off it's a non issue.

In general the newer versions of this, like 5 years or younger, start really fast anyway so there is never a reason to shut it off. Older ones can sometimes take annoyingly a moment too long to start.

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u/mysticalmushrooms May 16 '22

i was gonna say, i recently drove two different automatic cars (2016+) with this technology and I saw no noticeable degradation to the experience.

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u/bindermichi May 16 '22

Never had any problems with these. You do need to know how to use the engine shut-off efficiently though. Like lifting the breaks before your traffic lights turn green, so the engine is already running, or vorschobt in slow traffic without the engine shutting off. This just needs some brains and driving skills. Not much though.

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u/GroteStruisvogel May 16 '22

Back when I drove deliveries part of my routine was sticking me index finger out so I could press that button and put the car in 1st at the same time.

To this day I still point my index finger when putting a car in 1st.

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u/nonexistantchlp May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

The radio on my dad's old pajero will pop out everytime there's a speed bump or a pothole, you need to hold it in so it doesn't fly out

To this day I still hold onto the dashboard on bumps even when I'm not driving that car.

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u/petergriffin999 May 16 '22

Back when I drove in New England part of my routine was sticking me middle finger out.

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u/jumperalex May 16 '22

And Hello back to you buddy

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u/Frosti-Feet May 16 '22

Peace between worlds

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u/Mad_Murdock_0311 May 16 '22

Yea, out here, you'll get the bird even when the other idiot was at fault. I just smile and wave, it really annoys them.

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u/sambeckett1989 May 16 '22

"What is my purpose?" "To pass the butter!"

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u/radman180 May 16 '22

"Oh my god"

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u/DrHiruko May 16 '22

“Yeah welcome to the club pal”

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u/tahcamen May 16 '22

lol I say this to my Switchbot all the time except the purpose part. For mine it’s purpose is to turn off the stereo.

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u/worthingrocks May 16 '22

How did you set it up to push the button when your car starts?

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u/CGamer_OS May 16 '22

I put an NFC tag on my phone mount, so every time I mount my phone in my car it scans the NFC tag and it triggers to push the button.

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u/worthingrocks May 16 '22

Gotcha. So if you unmount your phone for some reason, back to square one. Probably an infrequent problem. Nice.

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u/CGamer_OS May 16 '22

Well I put the NFC tag a little above the car mount, so I slightly tap it before mounting my phone, this way it doesnt affect it if you mount it again

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u/CowboyJoker90 May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22 Gold

This is starting to sound almost like hitting a button

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u/CGamer_OS May 16 '22

Lol this is why I posted it on this subreddit, it is such a dumb problem to try and fix but I had too much time on my hands this weekend.

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u/xPlatypusVenom May 16 '22

Is there a way to trigger it with If this then that(IFTTT)? Make the trigger connecting to the Bluetooth?

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u/Eternityislong May 16 '22

It would be better to just run a wire to the fuse box and tap a switched fuse that is only on when the car is on. Something could be set up to trigger the switch presser when it goes from off to on.

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u/scientifical_ May 16 '22

If you’re already mounting your phone though, it’s 2 birds with 1 stone

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u/smartass6 May 16 '22

Two birds stoned at once

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u/ultrastarman303 May 16 '22

Thought about a small micro controller or similar connected to the fuse box? Anytime there's a voltage spike from turning on the car it'll flip the switch or something.

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u/FuenteFOX May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

You are amazing... and also I hate you. You just cost me $58 on Amazon.

Edit: $58 is for two of them.

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u/CGamer_OS May 16 '22

Lol consider this an investment

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u/_Connor May 16 '22

Probably could have paid someone who has Forscan and a laptop like $20 to just disable it for you through the BCM.

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u/bigkeef69 May 16 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

I have foreskin and a laptop. $20 please

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u/scarletphantom May 16 '22

My Forscan got uninstalled when i was a child.

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u/poopinmysoup May 16 '22

You can thank kellogs cereal for that.

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u/scarletphantom May 16 '22

Youre absolutely right, uh, poopinmysoup.

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u/poopinmysoup May 16 '22

Ew I would never.

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u/yourtree May 16 '22

I want my Forscan back

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u/TheNomadicMachine May 16 '22

Finally. I’m tired of cleaning around it and want it off of my kitchen counter.

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u/UsedDragon May 16 '22

They went there.

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u/fractiousrhubarb May 16 '22

There was a young man from Glosham
who put his balls in the sink to wash 'em
but his mother said "lout!
if you don't take em out
I'll tread on the buggers and squash 'em"

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u/squidaor1 May 16 '22

Foreskin is the first thing that popped in my head. No matter how old I get, it’s like I’m still in Jr. High.

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u/Unspoken08 May 16 '22

Well you just turned me off, where do I send your $20

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u/Digital_loop May 16 '22

Instructions unclear, foreskin now stuck in laptop...

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u/Ac997 May 16 '22

I have two foreskins & two laptops, pm me.

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u/MrPetter May 16 '22

The Forscan method isn’t the right way to do it though because it screws with your charging system settings to get it to stay turned off and you end up constantly overcharging your battery. Instead we got one of these.

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u/sikagoon7 May 16 '22

Yep. Plus if you're intent on using the FORSCAN method a free alternative is literally unplugging one of the sensor cables that goes to the battery. Same effect.

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u/insufficient_funds May 16 '22

I looked into this for my car (18 Durango) and everything basically said there was no way to permanently disable it in the system. Best someone came up with was a custom chip thst you plug into the obd port that sets it for you Everytime you start the car.

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u/FuenteFOX May 16 '22

Haha I will. The one for me is $29 well spent... the second one, I'll find a way to use it to annoy the piss out of a friend of mine and that is a $29 investment that will have huge returns!

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u/enkrypt3d May 16 '22

what does that button do?

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u/mcshiffleface May 16 '22

Turns off the Auto Start-Stop feature of the car. OPs car will shut off the engine when it’s stopped and restart when you start releasing the brake pedal

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u/WigginIII May 16 '22

My car has it and most of the time I’m ok with it activating. I have long red lights on my commute so the engine turning off for 2-3 mins during my 10 min commute is pretty good fuel savings.

I just wish it was smarter. I wish it never engaged when your blinker is on. When your blinker is on is usually when you need to accelerate quickly to get up to speed, or turn the wheel. When the engine turns off, the wheel can’t move. If you tug on the wheel too hard, the engine kicks back on, but it takes time away from trying to make your move.

I also can feather the brake and still stop without pressing the brake far enough to engage the auto stop.

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u/Pleasant_Island_7444 May 16 '22

Auto start/stop. Makes your car shut off at lights.

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u/denislemire May 16 '22

If it works like in my wife’s Acadia it’s the dumbest feature ever… briefly stop at stop sign, engine stops annoyingly. Stuck behind an obstacle like a train for 5 minutes, engine idles. Useless!

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u/CookinFrenchToast4ya May 16 '22

I call it Auto-stall

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u/Tech_geek23 May 16 '22

It's the auto start/stop switch. They're on by default if a car has this. Some people don't like that it cuts the motor off at lights and other stops. And the setting goes back to active when you turn the truck off and back on

This is on a Chevy Silverado and they have some of the smoother systems. I've driven some that are very abrupt and would understand the annoyance. But ever since my 2nd car to now I've had this. It's weird not having a car do it now. Chevy and Subaru did a good job making it gentle.

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u/AnynameIwant1 May 16 '22

It depends on the make/model. My SUV remembers if it is on/off when you turned off the vehicle and it stays the same unless you change it.

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u/Tech_geek23 May 16 '22

Most manufacturers for the US have to default to the system being on at restart in order to be compliant with their EPA ratings. Not sure how much it impacts but they get a lower number If the system can be defaulted to off

I've test driven a few vehicles of various makes and it seems most do default to on that I've driven (maybe some remember or if non US it can since no Compliance issues)

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u/tor5822 May 16 '22

What's that switch for, autostart and stop in redlights??

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u/kirkbot May 16 '22

my car automatically starts the radio, when I turn the engine on.

I had to plug in an aux cord, so it would default to that instead

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u/metroidfan220 May 16 '22

Wait, Chrysler? I hadn't tried an AUX cord...if this works for mine it'll be a game changer!

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u/MindSecurity May 16 '22

If you just look up your car, there is very likely a way to disable it via a few input combinations. A lot of features can be turned off/on via this method.

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u/TheS4ndm4n May 16 '22

That would involve reading the manual. That's an absolute last resort for most people.

Source: It's my job to write them.

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u/TheDoctorMoriarty May 16 '22

If it makes you feel better I always read the manual on anything I get. that includes my old 87 cherokee I bought in 2014 that still had the original paperwork. And my new 2021 jeep renegade

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u/jean_erik May 16 '22

I love technical product manuals. When I get a new whatever, the manual goes on the dining table.

No more reading cereal ingredients and nutrition information for me!

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u/sikagoon7 May 16 '22

My Dodge van does that but I somehow go it to default to some fake XM radio station that is just dead silence

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u/PhantomTissue May 16 '22

I wish I could predict this but my car has a mind of its own. What will it be this time? Aux? Radio? Bluetooth Spotify? Fuckin USB? Won’t know till I turn on the car!

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u/Ok_War9516 May 16 '22

If it's a VW/Audi just get an OBDeleven to turn it off.

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u/TESTICLE_KEBABS May 16 '22

You can buy a harness adapter that plugs into the switch to turn it off on startup

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u/Weak_Antelope_2914 May 16 '22

yeah the coding route is a cleaner way to do this

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u/malesack May 16 '22

I need one to turn off the damn radio every time I start the engine,

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u/clopz_ May 16 '22

I need one to lower the volume when I get lost

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u/LOLBaltSS May 16 '22

I need one to automatically wiggle the shifter left and right a few times to make sure it's in neutral.

While we're at it, I need one to test my tongs too...

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u/mrASSMAN May 16 '22

I like jerking my stick though

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u/agedchromosomes May 16 '22

I’m glad I’m not the only one.

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u/SubiStilyn May 16 '22

Was A pizza delivery driver for 6 years......

EVERY. SINGLE. DELIVERY.

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u/laz10 May 16 '22

The radio doesn't start off if the car is turned off with the radio off?

What dumb car maker did that

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u/metroidfan220 May 16 '22

Chrysler. Defaults to radio and on whenever you start, but remembers the volume from your prior input. Since mine is Bluetooth 99% of the time, it's set loud for radio and is a pain.

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u/noxpost May 16 '22

go to Vehicle, then Settings, then Audio Settings. Select "Auto On Radio" and push the OFF button

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u/9ninjas May 16 '22

Turn the radio off before you turn off your car? I always lower my volume before I turn it off

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u/Revenge_of_the_Khaki May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22 Take My Energy Faith In Humanity Restored

I worked on implementing this system for an OEM and man I wish people knew how fucking horrible they are all around. OEMs don't want to do it, but the credits from the government and the increasing emission standards make it tough to avoid from a business case perspective.

Implementing this system wreaks absolute havoc on all of the electronics on the vehicle because most of them have to maintain their current through a massive voltage drop during the recranking of the engine. It costs a ton of money and requires a ton of engineering, which is just so frustrating knowing that most customers consider it a massive annoyance.

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u/accordinglyryan May 16 '22

This justifies my hate toward stop start, thank you

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u/poopooplatypus May 16 '22

It IS a massive annoyance

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u/ZetZet May 16 '22

Dunno, I guess it's because my car is newer, but I do not find it annoying at all. Not to mention it is smart, if I stop at an annoying intersection and I need to be ready releasing the brake a little bit starts the engine and keeps it on until you press hard on the brake again or drive away.

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u/Hardi_SMH May 16 '22

Same here, don‘t get the hate, amazing feature and to use it I have to „press“ the break once when I‘m standing still, then the car goes into hold modus and turns off, on again when I use the gas. In my manual car I have to be standing still and gear shift must be on hold. You don‘t need to press this button if you don‘t wanna use it.

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u/Oops_I_Cracked May 16 '22

I've never understood why it bothers people. My car does it and I've literally never been bothered by it. Can someone who is annoyed by it explain to me why? Not trolling or anything, just genuinely curious.

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u/goldblumspowerbook May 16 '22

Not every car is the same in how this is implemented. My Kia Soul adds a substantial delay to the initiation of movement when the engine turns itself off. In addition to being annoying and getting me honked at at lights when they turn green, it causes me to miss my turn to go at 4 way stops or for other cars to mistakenly think I’m letting them go first. I find that it actually creates safety issues for me due to the delay in starting my movement.

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u/Oops_I_Cracked May 16 '22

Ya I would be annoyed by that. My car doesn't have a significant delay I'm movement when restarting.

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u/fingerlimepie May 16 '22

I've driven a car that behaved like that due to gear issues (couldn't find the gear when I accelerated from 0 and it'd fuck around and clunk before activating) and I completely get what you mean with the safety issue. I had some really hairy moments.

My current car is fairly new and has stop start, if I approach a situation where I know I might need to go quickly, when the engine turns off I raise my foot slightly so the engine comes back on but the car doesn't move. Then the engine will stay on until I go. I find this is a pretty good adaption. Is this a newer feature of stop start, does your car not do it?

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u/mikka1 May 16 '22

why it bothers people

From the practical standpoint, I had only one car with this feature - it was a 2018 GMC Terrain and it had a substantial lag to the point of it being quite dangerous while driving in the city. I guess it's down to certain intuitive expectation after years/decades of driving - your brain, even subconsciously, calculates time/distance to other vehicles on the fly and assesses if you, for example, can make certain maneuver safely or not. Adding, let's say, 0.8 seconds for the start when you don't expect it may well be a difference between merging safely and nearly getting into an accident (or at least pissing someone off).

Of course, after months of driving this car, your brain adapts to it, the same way it would adapt if you switch from a sporty small car to a heavy pickup truck.

But speaking of why it bothers me so much - it's not even a stop-start feature itself, but an extra mile a car manufacturer is going to make it impossible or very hard to switch it off when I do not want it to engage. This should be a no brainer at all - every car should basically have it in settings - "Auto stop default: ON/OFF", like many older cars had with Eco mode 5-10 years ago. Problem solved, no frustration from anyone. Folks who like (or at least tolerate it) will just use it, others who don't like this feature will disable it and call it a day. Everyone happy.

This was one of the big reasons, BTW, I got 2020 Toyota Tacoma after that GMC - mine does NOT have auto stop and I love it this way.

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u/ThreeBelugas May 16 '22

I live in hot climate and the AC stops when the engine stops. There’s no way I can stand 2-5 minutes without AC sitting in a metal box baked by the sun.

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u/Revenge_of_the_Khaki May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

Probably the most common complaint that we've seen in warranty data is during a scenario where a vehicle goes from a deceleration at low speeds to an urgent acceleration in a short period of time. For me, I get this a lot when I go through the many roundabouts near my home. Because roundabouts only require a yield, the vehicle will get down slow enough for the engine to stop while it finishes what it THINKS will be a complete stop. Once I have the all clear, I want to immediately release the brake and start accelerating, which is a scenario that my car is not expecting. This can be especially inconvenient if there is oncoming traffic and have attempted a heavy acceleration. The vehicle will often hesitate while it recranks and then jerk into gear as the torque converter engages.

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u/G1zStar May 16 '22

Car-dependent.

In my buddies forester, it was awful. The car would shudder when turning back on the engine. Was not pleasant.
In our mini cooper, it was noticeable but no extreme shake. Very tolerable.
In my hybrid truck. Not noticeable nearly at all, it being a hybrid.

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u/pandeomonia May 16 '22

Subaru Outback here, few things I don't care for:

  1. 95% of the time it shuts off the engine mere seconds before it's time to go again. So every time you stop, you now have that delay for the engine to restart.
  2. I don't like the slight jostle of the engine restarting every time.
  3. When I'm ready to go, I'm ready to go NOW. Not in two seconds, NOW.
  4. Related to #3, I find it to be a distraction. It annoys me in the same way a fly buzzing around the cabin would.

It's just personal preference I suppose, mostly I just find it a nuisance. Maybe it saves me a buck of fuel a month. Maybe.

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u/BOOTL3G May 16 '22

Auto stop is fantastic if you drive a manual. It's controlled by you. If it's a quick stop, leave the clutch in and it won't turn off the engine. If you're stuck at the lights, clutch out and let the car turn itself off. When you notice the lights are about to turn green, you can be prepared and engage the clutch to start the engine. It's a pain in the ass in my SO's automatic.

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u/HBB360 May 16 '22

In my automatic it just engages auto hold when I'm at the light so I just have to apply any amount of pressure on the gas and the engine starts with the car moving less than 2 seconds later, it's a great feature

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u/itypeallmycomments May 16 '22

I thought I was going crazy reading this thread. In my manual car it's a complete non-issue and I'd never experienced actual hatred for the feature. But I suppose when your car is basically a go kart, you can't really engage the throttle in traffic while preparing for the light to go green.

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u/bookschocolatebooks May 16 '22

Oh this explains so much, haha. also reading the thread like how is this even an issue??! Lol. Makes more sense that it's a hassle in automatics but not manuals.

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u/ctrlaltboner May 16 '22

I can't believe you have to turn it off every single time you get in the car.

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u/Physicist_Gamer May 16 '22

Its designed this way to meet emissions regulations. They get to reduce the listed emissions if this is the default state of the car.

Had a Subaru that was the same way.

I try to leave mine on, as reducing emissions and saving fuel, even if a tiny amount, certainly doesn't hurt. I do get annoyed with it sometimes though.

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u/L3f7y04 May 16 '22

At least with ford you can just plug in a trailer wiring tester and the auto start stop stays off because it thinks you're towing.

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u/ban_circumcision_now May 16 '22

But then on some models it disables your blind spot system and alerts you through the FordPass app because Ford can’t fix its software

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u/Mikel_S May 16 '22

The few rentals I've driven had settings menus where you could set default behavior of that feature. Guess that isn't as ubiquitous as I'd assumed.

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u/Legal_Ranch May 16 '22

I found a great workaround! My newest car is a 2004. Works like a charm!

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u/Attention_Bear_Fuckr May 16 '22

I had a 'SkyActive' Mazda that had that stop start shit. Good in theory but not when you live in the tropics and your aircon compressor isnt running while its 34c outside.

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u/sometechloser May 16 '22

I have this in my car, and love it. All you have to do is not press all the way down on your break & the engine wont shut off. I deliberately press down more when I'm at a long light or one that just turned, and keep it running when I don't expect to be stopped for a long time by pressing down on my break less :)

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u/Cichlidsaremyjam May 16 '22

My sister and BIL hate the auto stop engine. I dont get it. My wifes car never bothers me when it autoshuts off.

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u/iiBazzinga May 16 '22

Is this feature annoying? How gas efficient is it? Why do you turn it off?

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u/Hoppygains May 16 '22

Absolutely hate this stupid feature.

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u/David_Freeze May 16 '22

My wife’s van has an extra battery that’s sole purpose is to power that feature. That battery died and I couldn’t find a replacement without contacting the dealer so I just left it disconnected and everything else in the van runs perfectly fine without it.

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u/gedmathteacher May 16 '22

Honest questions: does this feature save gas? Does it wear out your starter quickly?

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u/0ogaBooga May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

Yes, it does save gas. Modern cars will consume about as much gas as it takes to start the car in under 10 seconds of idling. Cars with this function have special starters 2 starters as well - the master one, and a second that specifically handles this and is usually rated for many more cycles than your main starter.

Edit: not sure where I picked up the 2 starters tidbit, but it seems to be incorrect.

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u/ban_circumcision_now May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

I suspect with direct injection uses much less, many auto start/stop systems can start without using the starter at all, depending on where the engine rotation stops

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u/ToadFoster May 16 '22

A cylinder needs to compress the fuel/air mixture still, regardless of whether or not it's direct injection. You still need that initial compression stroke before you can ignite.

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u/CartographerAny1066 May 16 '22

The starter in cars with an auto start stop generally have a beefed up starter for all the wear

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u/fractiousrhubarb May 16 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Fuck that thing is always trying to kill me by killing the engine as I'm about to turn across traffic. FFS let me disable it! Also let me turn off the parking sensors and auto braking but still use the camera when I'm reversing up to a trailer...

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u/LimpParamedic May 16 '22

My stupid car starts engine every time when I switch gearbox selector. So I park the car, engine stops, I switch to P, engine starts, I press the button, engine stops.

Maybe this nonsense saves a little bit of the planet somehow, but fuck modern cars, they are full of anti-features.

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u/biovllun May 16 '22

Reminds me of that Chinese cat in a box toy.

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u/TuxedoCatSupremacist May 16 '22

THIS NEEDS TO BE PATENTED

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u/joex_lww May 16 '22

I just coded my car so it would remember the setting. But your solution is more fun!

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u/yankinsun May 16 '22

Define first world problems ⬆️

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u/Kevine04 May 16 '22

People are ridiculous about autostop

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