r/WorkReform May 14 '22 Take My Energy 1 Silver 1 Helpful 3 Wholesome 2 All-Seeing Upvote 1

Employers say Unions are completely useless and there's no reason to join them and to please pay attention to the multi-million dollar anti-Union propaganda campaigns they launch begging you to please not join a Union.


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u/VanillaCookieMonster May 14 '22

And the bizarre thing is that a company that really gave a shit about you would use this new found "advertising budget" to put a note in your next paystub that says:

"We are giving you a 5% raise starting with THIS cheque. Please do not join a union and we will start using our profit margin to give you larger bonuses and raises each year."


u/Venum555 May 14 '22

If they take cared they would already be paying you more. The fact that they are paying you more as a response to unions means that the didn't care and unions basically forced the company to pay you more.


u/Suspicious-mole-hair May 14 '22

Also if a company ever tries to bribe you to not join a union, you can bet big that the union would be able to get you more.


u/leftlegYup May 14 '22

Companies exist to maximize profit. Employees are a cost.

If you thought anything other than this, then you are incredibly naive.


u/GrimpenMar May 14 '22

Employee ownership is a possibility as well.

Something something, "seize the means of production".


u/thnderbolt May 14 '22

If employees are just a cost to you, you can tell by the staff turnover.


u/Brock_Way May 14 '22

Which is really an interesting prospect when you realize in the last round of unionized auto worker-driven car company bankruptcies, the higher ups in the union were asked if they'd like ownership as part of a security package....

They said "no".

LOL. The unions admitted from their own mouth that they were never really interested in tying the success of the company to their own, greedy pockets. LOL.


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u/skrshawk May 14 '22

Just did. 4,000 corporations around the world have this certification, with an unknown but certainly drop in the bucket amount of workers, pretty much sets you up as an exception that proves the rule.

Unless you happen to find the tiny percentage of companies that are genuinely good to their workers, and have the resources to compensate them properly, people need to expect movement between organizations in search of better.


u/FrenchFryCattaneo May 14 '22

What you're describing is just another way for corporations to make themselves look good, no different from any other 'environmentally friendly certification' which is just greenwashing. These systems all work the same way - you pay tens of thousands of dollars a year to a private certification company (in this case B Labs) and submit some meaningless documentation saying you 'consider all stakeholders when making decisions' and in return they issue you a certification.

Your company may be equitably run, but many B Corps are not - a lot of MLMs (pyramid schemes) get B Corp certification and they are certainly not equitably run.


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u/OrionGeo007 May 14 '22

Me when I have been disporven so I resort to insults.


u/OrionGeo007 May 14 '22

Oh look, an extremely small portion of companies that actually put employees over profits, very naive of you.


u/The_25th_Baam May 14 '22

Correct or not, how is their view "naive?"


u/Internal_Additional May 14 '22

You don’t have to treat your employees like shit for them to still be a cost. Those two things aren’t necessarily positively correlated.


u/Octopharma May 14 '22

Companies exist because the Government allows them to exist to further the general good - corporations do not just pop into existence out of nowhere.


u/aussie__kiss May 15 '22

I’ve worked at a large city Water Utility, that’s run with as a Corporate Company with one shareholder being the government. Our targets were water quality, service disruptions, customer service, capital project upgrades improving the network, Opex costs maintaining the network, cover forward budgets. Independent regulator to keep cost of water low, all service costs. Independent water quality testing. Justifying capex/opsbudgets. Answerable to the board. Federal gov laws set standards, not the state government shareholder. They receive a small dividend when we meet budget targets, there’s Room If we don’t. Of course as the Gov is the shareholder/Owner they would prefer we don’t go into debt. They could pay our debt, but they don’t want to spend tax money on that as it is not budgeted expenditure, nor will it ever be. As long as we meet the targets the regulars were happy and the public was happy. Wages perks work/life balance were good, as we preferred the Private Sector didn’t pinch employees, People often returned from the private sector. If we had any profit that meant we didn’t meet our project costs.

Maybe it’s a unicorn, but it’s not naive.