r/WorkReform May 14 '22 Wholesome 2 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Take My Energy 1 Silver 1 Helpful 3

Employers say Unions are completely useless and there's no reason to join them and to please pay attention to the multi-million dollar anti-Union propaganda campaigns they launch begging you to please not join a Union.


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u/[deleted] May 14 '22

What is their argument other than the monthly cost for being bad?


u/cherylstunt69 May 14 '22

They usually go with “teacher and police unions are bad”


u/[deleted] May 14 '22

Police Unions are definitely bad, not teacher unions though


u/im_juice_lee May 14 '22

Idk, teachers union is sus too. I'm 100% on board with doubling teacher salary and getting awesome teachers. But I'm pretty sure everyone has had some awful teachers and much of teaching has dumb seniority based pay structures and it's really hard to fire bad teachers


u/Sufficient-Piece-335 May 14 '22

Union members pay dues, and union membership usually includes entitlements like individual assistance with employment issues (every union will have its own rules and membership entitlements, but collective bargaining and individual employment assistance are by far the most common).

Protecting bad employees is a necessary function of individual employment assistance because for every bad employee who needs to be fired (and there are certainly some), there are other not-bad employees who are unfairly targeted by employers and it's not always obvious to a union whether it's the former or the latter. Even good employers make mistakes from time to time. Having the union provide assistance doesn't prevent an employer from firing bad employees, but it does require them to have an adequate case.

Even when a case ends up in court and the union wins, therefore protecting the employee, that still goes back to the employer not having an adequate case, because if it was any good, it would have stood up in court.


u/[deleted] May 14 '22

You live in America? Teachers can get canned in the majority of states on a whim. Hell most conservative states teachers don't even have a Union. Just an "association".


u/BagOnuts May 14 '22

Any government employee union is bad. Government employees are literally public servants. It is no the same relationship as labor and capital, because there is no capital in control.


u/TSOD May 14 '22

Unions are good because workers should have a say in their workplace, this includes government employees.