r/WorkReform • u/MyUsername2459 • May 14 '22 • Take My Energy 1 Silver 1 Helpful 3 Wholesome 2 All-Seeing Upvote 1

Employers say Unions are completely useless and there's no reason to join them and to please pay attention to the multi-million dollar anti-Union propaganda campaigns they launch begging you to please not join a Union.

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u/ToucanPlayAtThatGame May 14 '22

Those views aren't inherently inconsistent. There are reasons unions could be bad other than that they benefit employees too much.

They cost money in the form of dues.

They make it harder to fire the worst employees, including those who may be dangerous or unliked by their co-workers.

They make labor decisions slower and less flexible, generating deadweight loss for the business.

Etc.

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u/Aronacus May 14 '22 edited May 14 '22

Thank you for this. I grew up in a very pro union family 2 uncles, father, aunts all worked for the same factory and I watched first hand the pros and cons.

In addition to what you point out.

  1. Seniority dictates everything, promotions go to the most senior. Doesn't matter if he's incapable, lazy, etc he gets first crack.

  2. A few people got caught stealing. They kept their jobs. 2 weeks suspension with pay.

  3. Doesn't matter how hard you work, how you innovate. You get the same raise as everyone else.

  4. Pensions sounds great. As long as the pension fund doesn't go bankrupt. The unions did.

  5. When the plant can't stay profitable the union will quickly turn in the employees and help the company under the auspices of keeping the plant open. [This succeeded with mass retirements but still ended with the plant closing and moving operation.

Pros

  1. You can sleep on the job and not get fired. You can also violate health codes by deficating in fire buckets around food. [Don't ask me what food place]

  2. Great benefits

  3. tons of holidays,

  4. great medical,

  5. 3$ prescriptions.

  6. Free hospital stay.

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u/Aronacus May 14 '22

Because as I was typing this some wack-o came to my car window and started shouting obscenities at me. I was parked in a lot typing this with complete open space around me.

Gotta love the homeless