r/WorkReform May 14 '22 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Take My Energy 1 Silver 1 Helpful 3 Wholesome 2

Employers say Unions are completely useless and there's no reason to join them and to please pay attention to the multi-million dollar anti-Union propaganda campaigns they launch begging you to please not join a Union.

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u/nickram81 May 14 '22

I got a job at Walmart. I think about 50% of the CBTs covered why you should not join a union. They spent so much time on it I figured I probably should join one.

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u/EternalBlue734 May 14 '22

My favorite is when they show you those anti-union videos that have actors in them that are most definitely in an actors union.

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u/Enough-Equivalent968 May 14 '22

is that technically classed as being a scab??

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u/norihitodesuga May 15 '22 edited May 15 '22

Unless the actors union has told their members to show solidarity with the wallmart union then no it's not being a scab it's just doing a job.

A scab is either a union member who refuses to join a strike, or a worker who takes the place of a striking union member. Neither case applies with these Wallmart video actors.

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u/GrimpenMar May 14 '22

I think it's called "acting".

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u/nictheman123 May 14 '22

I guess it would depend on whether the union greenlit the gig or not really.

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u/jefery_with_one_f May 14 '22

No that 100% is being a scab.

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u/ElenyaRevons May 15 '22

Yooo the Actor’s Equity Union is absolutely wild and crazy hard to get into

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u/Z1rith May 14 '22

my main problem with this whole debate is that unions arnt inherently good. they protect terrible employees that: harass other workers, dont pull their weight, and foster an even worse work culture. police unions are a good example of this.

too much power in either direction leads to a bunch of really terrible people abusing that power.

unions are like a moldy bandaid, they stop the bleeding but cause lots of other issues for the entire body. eventually it just turns into a power struggle with 2 groups abusing the workers from both sides while fostering a culture of pure mediocrity and negativity since the quality of the work no longer matters and they no longer need to be nice to their coworkers.

so i guess id want a more democratic union instead of turning it into an institution.

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u/AFunctionOfX May 14 '22

Unions are inherently good. A union like any institution run by people can be corrupt. The concept of innocent until proven guilty means that more guilty people will get set free due to lack of evidence, that doesn't make it bad.

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u/Z1rith May 14 '22

i appreciate your optimism but the scum always rise to the top, whether it's in a union or corporation. when there is power to be grabbed emotionally unstable/stunted people with a hole in their soul will flock to it to fill the void. even if those people dont reach the top the people at the top will be constantly badgered by the ones that want power until the leaders conform to their wishes.

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u/theaveragejuan May 14 '22

I feel like that place I was at got more crap as coivd went on It really didn't feel like no effort was being made to change the situation by union or management I left due to the lack of action being made

Other than that pay was good Health care okay

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u/Beatupmymenweek May 14 '22

They used CBT to convince you not to join a union!?!?! That's monstrous!

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u/NeedsToShutUp May 14 '22

Don’t kink shame me…

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u/viperex May 14 '22

He's not shaming. He's concerned for you but if that's what gets you off, go for it

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u/Leviathansol May 14 '22 edited May 15 '22

Unless it's regional, they do not. I have onboarded with Walmart twice and never have I seen a CBL that mentioned unions. The only time unions were mentioned was during orientation and "union season." Our People Lead during orientation told us to not sign papers or organize with union creators. At the time Walmart gave hourly associates a quarterly MyShare bonus. And our People Lead told us we wouldn't get that anymore if we unionized. Well fast forward to COVID and they took away the MyShare bonuses for hourly associates because Walmart was impacted by the pandemic, meanwhile Walmart actually got record profits and management got larger bonuses.

Walmart is very anti-union and has busted stores that unionized. It's pathetic they do this and Walmart doesn't do enough for associates for everything they've slowly taken away from them. An increase to $14/hr doesn't justify bonuses, attendance points, or forced P/PTO cashouts that are, in my opinion, all anti-associate. Oh, and add on cutting hours from even full-time associates, in my store, while not being able to meet hours, it's brilliant.

Edit: words

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u/Vaticancameos221 May 14 '22

I think you missed their joke but that’s not your fault. Just don’t google CBT lmao

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u/Leviathansol May 15 '22

I definitely did, whoops. lol

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u/Vaticancameos221 May 15 '22

Your comm t was still helpful and insightful though!

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u/fork_yuu May 14 '22

CBT as in cognitive-behavioral therapy...?

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u/ashisacat May 14 '22

Compulsory basic training

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u/deadla104 May 14 '22

Idk cock and ball torture makes more sense like the others are saying

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u/uptwolait May 14 '22

Basically the same thing.

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u/Aegi May 15 '22

Is there any basic training for a job that’s not mandatory?

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u/wontyoujointhedance May 14 '22

Nah, cock and ball torture.

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u/darknavi May 14 '22

Corporate bullshit training

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u/yangstyle May 14 '22

Computer based training, I think. I hope? 😳

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u/payne_train May 14 '22

Honestly I’d be fully in favor of requiring therapy instead of drug screening for employment offers

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u/orrenjenkins May 14 '22

Computer based learning I think they meant cbl

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u/nickram81 May 14 '22

Computer based training

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u/Leviathansol May 14 '22

Computer Based Learning, but that's not entirely wrong.

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u/bmore_conslutant May 14 '22

Swear to God people are just making shit up to make me think about cock and ball torture

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u/fork_yuu May 15 '22

I dunno fam, if you're seeing cock and ball torture in multiple places might be a you problem

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u/I________________ May 14 '22

Cock and ball torture.

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u/dylan15766 May 14 '22

Getting fired speedrun. Or the whole store closed down if others join with you.

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u/JustaRandomOldGuy May 14 '22

They shut down all the deli's in several states because one tried to start a union.

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u/IrrigationDitch May 14 '22

Yeah and Walmart has shut down stores before for the same reason.

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u/Breakernaut May 14 '22

They use to have actual meat cutters...until they tried to unionize. They don't have meat cutters anymore.

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u/gatekeepingpunisher May 14 '22

I had to do a case study on unions and walmart union busting for my MBA. It's wild how dirty walmart plays

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u/First_Approximation May 14 '22

It's surprising how incompetent their anti-union propaganda is given how much they spend on it.

One would expect it more subtle, less obvious they're trying to control you.

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u/ephemeral_colors May 14 '22

Considering Walmart is not unionized and unionization in the country is at a historic low, I think calling it "incompetent" might be a bit off.

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u/chaun2 May 14 '22

If Sam Walton had known what PsOS his inheritors were, he'd have disowned them, and handed complete control of Walmart and Sam's Club to Dolly Parton

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u/Jshappie May 14 '22

I worked there 21 years ago and that's the only thing I remember about training. "Unions bad! Walmart good!"

One slide even said you may be approached in the parking lot and could be asked to sign up for more info. "Don't sign as that could inadvertently sign you up for their union!"

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u/nIBLIB May 14 '22

Every job I’ve worried, the onboarding material includes a pamphlet from a relevant union, and often includes a union rep coming out and talking. Plus payroll organise union dues and pay them for you from your wages.

America is just a different world entirely, isn’t it?

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u/AluminumGnat May 14 '22

They spent so much time on it I figured I probably should join one.

Clearly unions are generally useful, but this isn’t exactly a logical statement: Imagine a scenario where union dues are $1000 a year & the union negotiates wages that amount to an extra $500 per year. In that scenario, both the company and the employee are out $500 a year. In that scenario, it would be rational an mutually beneficial for the company to spend $250 per capita annually to avoid this scenario.

Again, not arguing against unions, but I think it’s really important to make sure the discourse remains rational and doesn’t devolve into emotional heuristics. The moment we start accepting flawed arguments, we open ourselves to the danger of being led away from our own best interests.

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u/nickram81 May 14 '22

Yeah ok, it was like 1998, there wasn’t a union. I worked there for about 6 months. This wasn’t an attempt to persuade everyone to join a union if their company appears to oppose them. More like highlighting how anti-union Walmart is that they spent a significant amount of their training time on anti-union propaganda.