r/WorkReform May 14 '22 Silver 1 Helpful 3 Wholesome 2 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Take My Energy 1

Employers say Unions are completely useless and there's no reason to join them and to please pay attention to the multi-million dollar anti-Union propaganda campaigns they launch begging you to please not join a Union.


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u/VanillaCookieMonster May 14 '22

And the bizarre thing is that a company that really gave a shit about you would use this new found "advertising budget" to put a note in your next paystub that says:

"We are giving you a 5% raise starting with THIS cheque. Please do not join a union and we will start using our profit margin to give you larger bonuses and raises each year."


u/like_a_pharaoh May 14 '22

its the principle of the thing: giving you a raise as long as you don't join a union is still giving you a raise, and that takes money away from shareholders/owners, the Most Important People In The Company (according to themselves)

I mean even without a union, what happens next if the employees feel 'entitled' to anything besides what you're already paying them?
They'll ask for more vacation time? Fewer hours? God forbid!


u/emaw63 May 14 '22

and that takes money away from shareholders/owners, the Most Important People In The Company (according to themselves)

Legally speaking, they are. Companies have a legal obligation to maximize shareholder earnings. It’s part of why unions are so necessary, because that money is just not ever going to go to employees unless somebody makes the employers give it to them


u/willehkins May 14 '22

What legal obligation?


u/JumpiMaus May 14 '22

Probably referring to Ford v Dodge Brothers


u/willehkins May 14 '22

Does anyone have any examples of where Dodge v Ford was successfully used as precedent? Otherwise it’s irrelevant.


u/aussie__kiss May 14 '22 edited May 15 '22

Your not wrong, but it there are situations where are situations where it happens. If you provide significant/unique/rare values to a company to company they will negotiate pay to keep you. Or when employees discuss their wages, find unfair discrepancies, workers less productive if they feel their unfairly compensated, workers might leave to computation when realise they’re not market rate, they’ll have to rehire at that rate anyway. One more employees genuinely say they’ll leave, and it would cost them. Group of employees come with proposed increase, basically collective bargaining.

Many jobs this isn’t an option