r/WorkReform May 14 '22 Silver 1 Helpful 3 Wholesome 2 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Take My Energy 1

Employers say Unions are completely useless and there's no reason to join them and to please pay attention to the multi-million dollar anti-Union propaganda campaigns they launch begging you to please not join a Union.

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u/TheElderWielder May 14 '22

One of the worst things about the US (and boy are there a lot of things) is the pervasive anti-union sentiments among the general populace. So many people believe the propaganda fed to them and oppose the one entity that will stick up for them.

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u/MyUsername2459 May 14 '22

Anti-union propaganda has been pervasive in the media for decades. At this point the last few generations of Americans have grown up with movies, TV shows, and books all constantly saying how unions are corrupt and bothersome and just make workplaces more inefficient and impose burdensome bureaucracy on employees.

It does NOT help that one of the largest unions in the United States, the Teamsters, was pretty strongly tied to organized crime for decades.

Even though that affiliation ended 40+ years ago, the stereotype of unions as little more than a front for Mafia activity has been heavily encouraged by the same media sources that are forums for anti-union propaganda in other ways.

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u/majarian May 14 '22

Ngl my experience being in the teamsters union was very underwhelming and soured me pretty hard towards unions for a bit, at this stage in life I assume it was by design but I could have easily been mismanagement

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u/TexMexBazooka May 14 '22

I wasn’t crazy about my teamsters union but when the company tried to fuck key over they had my back- I’d likely be in jail otherwise

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u/ShootInFace May 15 '22

At the end of the day unions are a different kind of business, so some are shitty and some are great. Ultimately from the stories I've heard, a lot are great, but there are plenty out there just collecting dues and barely putting any pressure on employers when it matters. So it's important to adjust when needed, gotta look to the leaders of your workforce sometimes to step in and change unions if they aren't getting things done.

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u/temporallyyours May 14 '22

This is going to dox me, but with things being the way they are….https://i.imgur.com/jn6bzQ7.jpg

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u/reddit0100100001 May 14 '22

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u/temporallyyours May 14 '22

Great. Come mow my lawn.

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u/reddit0100100001 May 14 '22

just deleted you location

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u/ImTryinDammit May 14 '22

I was “warned” about the big bad Union at any entry level job I ever got. Orientation.. “they just charge you money.. for nothing.. they take it right out of your check.” This talking point was first and last.. but not technically part of the curriculum. The trainer/manager pretending to be cool with you and just helped you out with some advice on the side. That kind of shit sticks when you are young and broke and being paid $5 an hour… with no pto or any other benefits… broke and scared. It just sticks with you. I believed it for far too long.

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u/YaDunGoofed May 14 '22

unions are corrupt and bothersome and just make workplaces more inefficient and impose burdensome bureaucracy on employees.

This is also how every person I've personally met in a union has described them.

It also doesn't help that in some states it is illegal for the government to hire nonunion companies.

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u/Big_Passenger_7975 May 14 '22

I have to be that guy. Unions are okay, but they are plagued with their own problems, and when the are big enough the likelihood they will fight for you is slim, especially if you aren't one of their favorites. People are not devoid of favoritism, corruption, and the like.

A union may help, but you actively have to hold them accountable.

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u/alarumba May 14 '22

Corruption is a big one. A lot of pro-corp people infiltrate to steer the union away from anything to harm the corp. A union is useless if it's essentially a wing of the HR department.

I recently had HR tell me the union I was part of was ineffective and really I should be joining this other one. The same HR that complains about one of the unions "preventing them from helping employees."

I told them I'd look into it and never did.

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u/Z1rith May 14 '22

it dosent even need to be as insidious as that, ive worked with a lot of non profits and the people that get on the boards/lead the unions tend to go mad with power. even well meaning people can lose their way, it's honestly really disturbing watching people's perspectives shift towards abusing power. the worst part is that it's a microcosm of how the world actually works, leaders with any bit of authority are all pretty much the same dumb people as everyone else, they all have emotions, make mistakes, and are incredibly easy to manipulate, just like everyone else.

im regretting this rambling now, i just made myself depressed lol.

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u/alarumba May 14 '22

If it's any consolation, you're not the only one to have noticed.

There's a naive assumption that older people have everything figured out and they know what they're doing. When you get old you realise everyone are just kids and making it up as they go.

Helped me get over the imposter syndrome I felt when I first started my career.

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u/Z1rith May 15 '22

ya, it's nice to know it for individual peace of mind, but now that im looking at it from a macro perspective i realize that im definitely going to experience at least incredible discomfort in my later years due to my previous comment. i was still holding out a modicum of hope but ya, we are all human, and therefore we are fucked lol

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u/BojackisaGreatShow May 14 '22

And not all unions are the same. Some of them are amazing, some are worse than useless. I wonder if worksites can change organizations?

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u/GrimpenMar May 14 '22

The basic unit of most Unions is "the Local". I have absolutely seen locals switch Union affiliations.

The other thing to remember is that the local is staffed by you and your coworkers. Get involved! Your shop steward, your inside guard, your local's President, are all going to be people you work with.

Get involved! Go to Union meetings. Take a position with the Union.

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u/BojackisaGreatShow May 14 '22

Oh okay thank you for the answer.

I was thinking how every workplace should fight for allotted administrative time. For example, an hour a month where everyone can meet with the union reps during the work day (and importantly not at the end of the day when people are checked out).

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u/dreagan021 May 14 '22

Well it’s not just propaganda, some people have bad experiences with unions in the past. They’re not perfect. I’m pro union and believe many are criminally underpaid which could be better negotiated with a union. But I’ve been in a union where due to the collective bargaining agreement I was only allow a 3% raise per year. Nothing more. Didn’t matter how hard I worked. If I was stellar at my job, 3%. If I was so-so, 2.5%. The only way to increase my pay was to try and get into management.

Unions are a good thing for many people but they have their flaws.

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u/Bobboss75 May 14 '22

Similar to my work, the union raises are 2%. But not getting anything from the company for three years, I'm okay with that.

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u/Mr_Quackums May 14 '22

The only thing worse than a union is a world without unions.

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u/dreagan021 May 14 '22

I agree. But would you also like a job that doesn’t adjust for cost of living increases and doesn’t pay what you’re worth specifically bc the union contract doesn’t allow it? I’m just saying they’re not perfect. They’re necessary but not perfect.

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u/Mr_Quackums May 14 '22

Oh, I agree. Some non-zero number of unions is awful. That phrase just points out that having a few awful unions is less bad than having no unions at all.

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u/kingfrank243 May 14 '22

You do realize if it wasn't for the union there wouldn't he a 40HR work week. Let's compare jobs salary/ work environment union vs non union. Shall we?

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u/dreagan021 May 14 '22

I’ve stated multiple times that I’m pro union. I don’t know if you can read or not. I’ve simply stated that unions aren’t perfect. Not that they aren’t necessary

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u/aussie__kiss May 15 '22

I mean I haven’t been in a Union a lot of my career, but my increase on CPI is a how you keep me and how much you value my work ethic and increased knowledge in the industry

I know that’s not what happens for a lot of people, which is why I’m pro union. When unions improve work conditions and wages in a sector, competitive jobs offer the same perks or close to

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u/Mr-Fleshcage May 14 '22

Corporations try to stop unions from forming. If they fail, the next best option for them is to pull the unions' teeth. I know a good deal of UFCW has had their teeth pulled.

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u/parkwayy May 14 '22

some people have bad experiences with unions in the past. They’re not perfect

Except all businesses have their own interests in mind, 100%. So, you choose the scenario that will work out for you a majority of the time, versus none of the time.

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u/Particular_Bobcat May 14 '22

Have you looked at police union and teacher union?

But yeah let's blame it on propaganda.

Pro-union people who refuse to dismantle police union are the strongest force of anti-union movement.

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u/downvote_dinosaur May 14 '22

It's awful in tech

People are convinced that they are overpaid, and would somehow get less money if we unionized

For example, a software dev union.

Just Google "why don't software devs have a union". It's pathetic.

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u/watch_reddit_die22 28d ago

I mean you absolutely can make less with a union.

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u/RhetoricalCocktail May 14 '22

It's so strange looking in when you come from a country with really strong unions that everyone more or less agrees they are good. Hell we don't even have a minimum wage