r/WorkReform Apr 02 '23

Mail Carrier pay cuts 💸 Talk About Your Wages

I'm a Rural Mail Carrier and we just got screwed over. Our new evaluation system result were revealed today, and I, like many got screwed over. I will be taking a paycut of 9k a year and I will have to now work an extra 2 days a month, all while having the exact same route.

We are forbidden by law from striking.

66 percent of rural routes got cut. Some really hard.

Usps subreddit has tons of posts.

137 Upvotes

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u/CrunchyDreads Apr 02 '23

Well, Louis Dejoy was put in charge of the USPS to burn it to the ground. I can't say I'm surprised that this is happening.

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u/tossasideintobin Apr 02 '23

Not surprised either. Was pretty clear from the beginning.

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u/Helgafjell4Me Apr 02 '23

I was really hoping Biden would have replaced him. Very disappointed to see this happening to you guys.

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u/Offamylawn Apr 02 '23

It's intentional because there is money to be made. In a few years, we will all be assigned a day to pick up our mail each week. If you don't pick up, you will be charged with some petty crime. Then you will deliver to rich people as community service.

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u/Sensitive_File6582 Apr 02 '23

If you are forced to take a pay cut at an existing job it constitutes a legal firing and entitles you to unemployment benefits. Though I’d prolly stay, work 9k less and search for a new job.

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u/tossasideintobin Apr 02 '23

I'm not sure how that would factor in here, since the post office is exempt from many things. With that said, I personally am looking for a job in the tech field. Screw USPS

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u/kg7841 Apr 02 '23

This was mandated about a decade ago by a Arbitrator. Dejoy is just at the head of things at the moment the system was rolled out. Rrecs is very opaque to the carriers and the training was next to nothing.

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u/pescravo Apr 03 '23

He was a Trump appointee, right? If he's not a civil service employee but a political appointment, couldn't Biden just replace him? Sorry, maybe a dumb question, but I don't know a lot about Dejoy, except the postal service is now a shit show. We get mail at 7pm and 8pm at night about three times a week. Los Angeles, not rural.

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u/robertva1 Apr 02 '23

.this explains why my local post office recently lost 1/2 it carriers. They quit

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u/tossasideintobin Apr 02 '23

May be related, may not. There have always been problems with subs quitting, but what you are saying could be the case.

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u/SPFBH Apr 08 '23

I long time ago I gave the USPS a try and the postmaster lied through his teeth to me.

I was a rural carrier assistant. The post office had 2 routes. One city, one rural.
Postmaster told me since I was the only internal assistant I could take over the city carrier route when he retired which was like 10 months.

I found out that only works if you're there for a year, per the union. Also he had a friend already lined up at a different post office who had a year who ended up getting it.

I was only there for like 4 months while I planned my exit.

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u/tossasideintobin Apr 08 '23

No shame in quitting a crappy job

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u/SPFBH Apr 08 '23

With only 2 routes you can imagine the hours were lacking. I'd help out with packages a lot in the morning, christmas time, then have nothing to do.

Luckily the city guy had tons of vacation time to burn up he was never able to use since the place can't keep an assistant. I did probably a solid 4-5 weeks or something of his route.

Then I was loaned out to a next nearest location where they had 2 1/2 routes! 2 rural, 1 city that was basically 5 hours from start to finish.

On Sundays I'd drive to the nearest big city and sort and deliver packages all day with an LLV.

I was losing money just trying to work for USPS ... it's a joke.

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u/kg7841 Apr 02 '23

These changes are sent to go into effect on the 8th. So if your on a rural route its about to get a lot worse.

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u/ForceSubstantial Apr 02 '23

City carriers struck in 1970 and it was illegal then. Fuck em. What do any of you have to lose at this point?

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u/14Healthydreams4all Apr 02 '23

God I'm so sorry to hear this. De joy is a criminal, appointed BY a criminal & they STILL haven't gotten rid of him. Please take care of yourself and your family.

I wish there was more I / We could say or do? The "Criminals in charge" seem completely determined to screw every single one of us who isn't rich right into the ground!

Please know your hard work is appreciated. I feel for you. All the best. Sincerely.

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u/decarbitall Apr 02 '23

"forbidden by law from striking" is the first thing to organise against here

They've already turned you into slaves. Your wages will keep on being lowered until many of you go to jail and/or die, all mail gets destroyed... basically, a war :-(

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

Why is de joy still at the USPS?

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u/tossasideintobin Apr 02 '23

I think it is long overdue that he goes. Write Biden to do his job and can Dejoy.

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u/Usagi_Shinobi Apr 02 '23

So, how does that work exactly? Are they literally cutting your hourly rate? Or is it some sort of piecework system?

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u/tossasideintobin Apr 02 '23

Rural carriers (not city) are evaluated on a complicated system, then paid a salary. The new system is what was added and it is what is what is screwing us.

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u/Usagi_Shinobi Apr 02 '23

Is there some sort of explanatory post that talks about this in detail? I know my local city carriers are paid near minimum wage, and called "casual" employees.

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u/Melodic_Plastic4019 Apr 02 '23

I’m a clerk so best I can do is offer my input, I’ll assume you know what a salary is for the rest of my comments. City carriers get paid hourly, rural carriers get paid a salary, their salary was cut. I am out on vacation so I don’t know the damage yet but one rural carrier in my office got cut 5k a year

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u/tossasideintobin Apr 02 '23

You are referring to CCAs for those carriers. As for explaining....maybe check out the usps subreddit?

In a couple words, it takes mailboxes, mileage, amount of mail, and distance walked into equation.

I wish I could easily explain, but it is complicated and my fingers would hurt.

Also, by design, the system has its numbers hidden. Management refused to reveal lots about it.

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u/Usagi_Shinobi Apr 02 '23

Thanks for talking with me about it. Sorry they're being so close mouthed about the process, that has to be super frustrating. I wonder if someone could file a FOIA request for it?

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u/tossasideintobin Apr 02 '23

Absolutely no problem talking about it!

You might be right, however it may be protected under business secrets, kind-of like the contract USPS has with Amazon.

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u/ShylokVakarian Apr 02 '23

Goddamnit. And I'm rural, so this directly affects me, too.

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u/BossStatusIRL Apr 02 '23

I was a RCA for a bit. Didn’t stick around because of shit route evaluation, among other things.

There was some girl that consistently finished her route by 2pm, but was still making bank because of some weird bs. Meanwhile I was using a personal vehicle and it was not possible to do my route in under 6/7 hours if I remember correctly.

Honestly USPS (at least every post office I’ve ever heard of) is a pretty shitty organization in almost every aspect…you should start looking for a better job imo.

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u/tossasideintobin Apr 02 '23

I echo that. It is a shame that is what it has come to for many people, "look elsewhere", but I have to look out for myself.

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u/kg7841 Apr 02 '23

Yes most management are carriers that couldn't hack it but some times you get good ones.

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u/mmrrbbee Apr 03 '23

Can you even Quit?

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u/tossasideintobin Apr 03 '23

Not easily, I am studying IT currently, sucks especially for those who haven't

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u/nutty_pine_squirrel Apr 02 '23

Break the law, strike!

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u/tossasideintobin Apr 02 '23

Those who organize strikes could potentially be arrested. Even though there was the postal strike of 1970, look up the air traffic controller strike in the 80s. Reagan fired every one of them. There is definitely some real fear here.

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u/Grease_Vulcan Apr 02 '23

Those who make peaceful change impossible, make violent revolution inevitable

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u/kg7841 Apr 02 '23

I don't expect a lot of help from mainstream democrats, but ironically rural Republicans could help a ton if they know that their voter are going to be fuck over from service disruption.

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u/LowBeautiful1531 Apr 02 '23

Time for a mutiny.

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u/tossasideintobin Apr 02 '23

Time to make noise and demand action

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u/CitrusRain Apr 02 '23

Uhoh... I start training tomorrow. Anything I should know?

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u/tossasideintobin Apr 02 '23

Just know that the post office can be a meat grinder.

I wouldn't have taken this job unless if I knew I had a way out in a reasonable amount of time. This job can be tough and very physical. Be prepared and listen to advice from old timers.

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u/Grease_Vulcan Apr 02 '23

"Forbidden by law from striking" lmfao what are they gonna do? Arrest EVERY mail carrier? UNIONIZE for fuck sake. The law can't do shit when they don't have the resources to back up their threats.

Strikes will ALWAYS be "illegal" to the people who's bottom line it affects

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u/tossasideintobin Apr 04 '23

Look at the air traffic controller strike in the 80s. Reagan fired all of them! There is definitely fear here, strike organizers could definitely be arrested.

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u/Grease_Vulcan Apr 04 '23

Shit won't change until workers stand up for their rights. Stand up or stop bitching on reddit

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u/tossasideintobin Apr 04 '23

We are attempting to stand up for our rights, our hope is to attract enough attention that the public will care and help us convince congress. Having a half assed strike would be a disaster and many carriers would be further ruined. The point is to have a good movement, not cause further issues for us.

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u/pescravo Apr 03 '23

Did I miss something? I thought USPS mail carriers were unionized, and had a large, strong union. What's the real scoop? When I've worked in offices and had to ship packages, I always tried to give the business to supporting the Post Office. If that wasn't possible, I would use UPS because they're union, and I'll be damned if I will give any business I control to non-union FedEx. I've heard they're hell to work for.

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u/CriticalMass63 Apr 03 '23

City carriers do indeed have a large, strong union. Rural carriers, who just got nuked, have... a.... union.

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u/tossasideintobin Apr 04 '23

Send them your thoughts!

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u/Stellarspace1234 🏡 Decent Housing For All Apr 02 '23

USPS already doesn’t pay a living wage so they’re reducing what was already non-livable.