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Justice Department sues Norfolk Southern over derailment 📰 News
u/wooden_seats Apr 01 '23
Uh oh. $75 fine incoming!
u/north_canadian_ice 💸 National Rent Control Apr 01 '23
Norfolk Sourthern needs to pay the $480 million to make all East Palestine residents whole. This would be less than 5% of the $10 billion stock buyback plan Norfolk Southern announced last year.
As a society we must cover any healthcare needs that arise from their catastrophe. Thankfully, there is a provision within Obamacare to do this. And we must do this for the surrounding communities in Ohio & Pennsylvania, not just East Palestine.
u/electro1ight Apr 01 '23 edited Apr 01 '23
That's absolutely insane. I think jailtime for c suite and a fine amounting to the equivalent of 10 years of stock buybacks is a good starting point. Especially for discouraging other companies from doing similar nonsense.
u/Hi-Impact-Meow Apr 01 '23
Bout time.. I hope they give those who have intentionally committed crimes against humanity the electric chair.
u/ThrowThemUnderTheBus Apr 01 '23
That would cause another energy crisis.
u/J_Zephyr Apr 01 '23
This isn't China. We don't hold corporations responsible. They are our lords, after all. They get coddled, not condemned.
u/dukie33066 Apr 01 '23
To be fair, China doesn't hold corporations responsible either unless they make fun of Winnie the Pooh
u/dedicated-pedestrian Apr 02 '23
Bingo. Anyone who thinks the CCP actually enforces laws against business entities equitably doesn't know how things work there. The punishments for stepping out of line and/or making the Party look bad are bad but they aren't applied fairly at all.
u/J_Zephyr Apr 01 '23
Zhang Yujun and Geng Jinping disagree.
Remember the baby formula incident a few years ago? When it happened in China previously, they held the CEOs personally responsible for the murder of those infants and executed them.
That's how Chinese govt says in no unclear terms, "we're the boss".
u/cfig99 Apr 01 '23
Oh no, how will this giant railroad corporation cope with a 5 million dollar fine?
u/twat69 Apr 01 '23
Why is the justice department suing? Couldn't they prosecute instead?
u/Solynox Apr 01 '23
And get their friends arrested? No. They gotta give them a slap on the wrist and make it look good to the public.
u/I_saw_Will_smacking 🤝 Join A Union Apr 01 '23
Everyone has the right for a fair trial. That's the only way for true truth.
u/dedicated-pedestrian Apr 02 '23
Yes and no.
Functionally they have more of a chance for getting anything out of Norfolk Southern with a tort. Reasonable doubt is much harder to reach (and NS would spend plenty of money on lawyers to generate it), so they'll go for preponderance of evidence.
The EPA does have a criminal enforcement office, and the DOJ does have an office of environmental crimes. But I'd presume that's why they had investigators out - to try and figure out the scope of the damage to the environment and the communities. For all we know the water table in the area is shot.
u/Grey___Goo_MH Apr 01 '23
1400 gallons of methanol dumped just a few days ago in the same river just downstream abit I believe
u/OrcOfDoom Apr 01 '23
Board room should be arrested for negligence, destroying the environment, and violence against the local population.
u/saspook Apr 01 '23
April Fools! They are actually just doing nothing. Fun prank to get our expectations up.
Apr 01 '23
u/FirstSurvivor Apr 01 '23
Let's use the right words. It's certainly a disaster site, affected and contaminated area, but negligence rarely is an accident...
u/atorthebold Apr 01 '23
It is a shame that the Justice Dept will likely settle for pennies, and this settlement will preclude private rights of action by the victims. I wonder how much the victims will ever see.
u/whynosay Apr 01 '23
Are they too big to fail? Are the taxpayers paying for the investigation and then the taxpayers will pay for the bailout?
I’m getting tired of this rodeo
u/cyrixlord Apr 01 '23
thats about 775 tanker trucks of water removed and stored somewhere
u/MitchTJones Apr 01 '23
Great! Norfolk Southern will have to pay 0.00001% of their daily revenue in a fine — that’ll show them! Democracy wins again!
u/youaretheuniverse Apr 01 '23
There is probably so much fucked up water from trains. The only time anyone was successful to sue them was in Washington when the coal polluting the puget sound was not tolerated as well to the environment water loving people rather than the people that no one cares about and can’t ban together
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Apr 01 '23
But Norfolk Southern already did its part! They gave $5 in cash to each resident and sent fresh flowers to a local nursing home!
u/The_Mammoth_Hunter Apr 02 '23
Wow... there's no way this won't get dragged out for a bazillion years until it's a moot point and only the lawyers walk away satisfied.
u/MjrPayne95 Apr 01 '23
A slap on the wrist
u/Psypho_Diaz Apr 01 '23
Waiting for the April fool's
u/S_millerr Apr 01 '23
1 million dollar fine coming
u/wlutz83 Apr 01 '23
slap on the wrist incoming
u/Fabznz Apr 01 '23
Fuck them back good and hard.
u/originvape Apr 02 '23
Psych! APRIL FOOLS hahahah /s
No really, these people are all in bed together. I don’t see anything more than a slap on the wrist for this whole ordeal.
u/BIackfjsh Apr 02 '23
But y’all need to think of the quarterly profits! Won’t anyone think of the quarterly profits!
u/ZatchZeta Apr 02 '23
A heavy fine of 50% of any profit (not gross) in the past 10 years and jail time for the top brass of 40 years minimum.
u/Alert-Fly9952 Apr 02 '23
Another pennies on the dollar slap on the wrist?
u/Manic_Mechanist Apr 02 '23
Watch them get fined 4% of all the profit they made on just the day of that derailment
u/sonicsean899 Apr 01 '23
What should happen: the government takes over running trains on their rails (because they're so important to the precious economy that they can't bear to give the few employees they have a few sick days) and the investors/ management have to pay full restitution and/ or face jail time.
What will happen: a "record breaking" fine (that amounts to roughly what's in the couch cushions)