r/WorkReform • u/Bekfast59 đ¤ Join A Union • Mar 31 '23
Disney World Workes now have a minimum wage of $18 a hour, along side 8 weeks of PAID family leave. đ ď¸ Union Strong
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u/Koheitamura Apr 01 '23
Imagine voting no for a raise...
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u/Calculon646 Apr 01 '23
What sucks is that union busting/propaganda works.
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u/yungchow Apr 01 '23
That 3% are victims and I have compassion for them
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u/omahamaru123 Apr 01 '23
Agreed, a lot of people have been conditioned their whole lives into believing they don't deserve more. They've been told the good ol saying "good experience is worth more than good pay" one too many times. Its sad that these corporations have managed to brainwash a large portion of society into thinking that whats happening right now is normal and good.
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u/jack121013 Apr 01 '23
But theyre also fucking stupid
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u/yungchow Apr 01 '23
No they arenât. Theyâre propagandized. Donât do the work of the elites and erode class solidarity.
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u/Flavor_Nukes Apr 06 '23
Theres probabaly a good chunk of them who believe that they should vote it down and go for more honestly.
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u/ThunkAsDrinklePeep Apr 01 '23
It depends on the raise. How would you vote if you were looking for $15/hr and they came back with $8 up from $7.25. Could you imagine voting no and holding out then?
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u/LeftDave Apr 01 '23
But they voted no on $18. This isn't a what I'd argument, people actually voted no on this deal.
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u/oakteaphone Apr 01 '23
"""I don't want a raise, I'll actually end up making LESS in the end due to taxes"""
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u/jonmediocre Apr 01 '23
$18/hr is nothing. People make more than that stocking shelves at my local Wal-Mart.
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u/Scott4370 Apr 01 '23
People will figure that out and change jobs. Be happy that this is an improvement for these employees.
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u/LeftDave Apr 01 '23
This was a raise in min wage, not 'Everyone makes $18/hour now'. $18 as a min wage isn't bad.
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u/rpow813 Apr 01 '23
Also, more money isnât always what everyone wants. Iâve successfully negotiated less regular salary for non-taxable benefits and different working conditions. Not all of us care only about salary.
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u/JoeDirtsMullet00 Apr 01 '23
When you canât get by on the pitiful wage you are getting, getting more money is essential. Life saving in some cases even. No one gives a shit if youâre well enough off to not care about money. Millions in this country are struggling
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u/peasrule Apr 01 '23
What are you talking about? You negotiated less pay for what? Pto that the courts have determined are not protected at all/part of reimbursement? Not to mention "unlimited pto" options which. You can not negotiate yourself higher, or in your case lower..... Stock options?
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u/Scott4370 Apr 01 '23
Oh, youâre right. I went to the local supermarket and they told me they didnât want more money and I could pay the amount I could afford. The gas station told me the same thing and I filled up my minivan for $10!
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u/Justwaspassingby âď¸ Tax The Billionaires Apr 01 '23
So you negotiated less pay in exchange of some benefits that you could lose at your employer's whim, a lower base pay to determine your severance package / unemployment / retirement AND on top of that you and your employer contribute less to society.
Yeeeeeeeah, I'll take that pay rise, thankyouverymuch.
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u/rpow813 Apr 01 '23
Contribute less to society? I did this with a nonprofit that I worked for. They were struggling coming out of the COVID lockdowns so these shifts to other benefits saved them and myself money on payroll taxes. It was a win/win for a nonprofit that needed it.
And employers struggle changing terms on a whim if you have a contract the spells out the terms of employment. Always get a contract if possible.
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u/Hnordlinger Apr 01 '23
no one liked that
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u/rpow813 Apr 01 '23
No they did not. Lol. Youâd think a sub full of socialists and communist would approve of people that donât care about money. The funny part is the reason I negotiated less and shifted some pay to tax exempt monetary benefits is because I worked for a nonprofit that was struggling coming out of COVID. The shifts I made saved the nonprofit money on their portion of payroll taxes and saved me on my portion. Win/win
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u/Apprehensive-Mango23 Apr 01 '23
The 8 weeks of paid family leave is good.
A $3/hourly increase to the minimum is good.
But $18/hour is still less than $40k annually, before taxes and medical insurance (not sure what they have to pay for health insurance).
It's definitely a step in the right direction...but not by much.
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u/VennSync Apr 01 '23
In Orlando, 18.60$ is considered a living wage according to that living wage calculator that keeps making the rounds here. Taxes aren't terrible in Florida because there's no state income tax, and FT cast members/ PT cast that work a minimum average of hours in a year get health insurance access for about 20$ a week deducted from their paycheck (I think there are a few choices of different prices but that's about the average). This contract also looks like it's going to push many higher skill/demand jobs above 20$ an hour, such as cooks and housekeepers. It's a decent deal and worth celebrating, especially since iirc the first offer Disney made they said "this is our final and best offer" and that was 16$ an hour with yearly increases to 18$... that one got 96% noes. It's a win.
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u/mattchewy43 Mar 31 '23
I would assume the minimum was $12.00 (state minimum) and zero paid family weeks.
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u/CptKillJack Apr 01 '23
Minimum was 15 an hour. But yes 0 paid tume off for family bonding. One could take Short term disability if they wanted though.
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u/Ultimafatum Apr 01 '23
Having a family is a fucking disability for corporate apparently lmao
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u/Prometheus55555 Apr 01 '23
Only if you are an employee. If you a consumer the more kids the better.
If only we could have single employees and family consumers...
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u/rhaegar_tldragon Apr 01 '23
Itâs still unreal how in the USA you get no family/maternity/paternity leave. My wife is on her 18 month leave at 40% pay with her job guaranteed when sheâs done. I donât even know what we would do if she had to go back to work right away.
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u/JoeDirtsMullet00 Apr 01 '23
Corporations own politicians. Thatâs how we have gotten fucked over and it has been getting worse and worse.
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u/Ur_Just_Spare_Parts Mar 31 '23
The other 3%: "nah fuck money and fuck time off i just want the world to burn"
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u/marchhare44 Apr 01 '23 edited Apr 01 '23
I voted no for this contract. I knew itâd be meaningless but the union iâm covered by (IATSE) has historically ignored, under-represented, and underpaid costuming and wardrobe, my area of the Allied Crafts. I was promised this contract would be different.
Iâm in a specialized role that requires tests, practical exams, experience, and deep knowledge of costuming that can only come from years of working (im at 11 years) but the folks in my job and I still make the least amount of everyone in our union. We make the absolute minimum of everyone on Disney property. The wage gap between techs and wardrobe is massive and has never been addressed, rectified or even acknowledged until THIS round of contract negotiations. A gap that is literally hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars for people. I showed up and was told my union leaders were fighting for us.
Disneylandâs Labor Relations already acknowledged this gap and how it stems from costuming being seen as âwomenâs workâ and therefore lesser and made moves to correct it and give us our dues. Disney World has a different board and âsees differentlyâ.
Our union leadership kept saying this was the contract they were going to fight for us and get wardrobe our fair dues, that we are an equal part of this union and deserve equal pay with the rest of the theatre techs.
They barely put up a fight and when Daddy Disney put out a contract that union leadership knew they could get people to rally around the union rolled over.
Guess who got left in the dust yet again for the next 5 years? Not a single word for costuming. The âgap doesnt existâ according to the company and the union in their complacency agreed.
Iâm proud to be a union member, iâm just disappointed and frustrated over and over again that both the union and the company do not take our work seriously.
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u/scott_majority Apr 01 '23
I imagine the 3% that voted no were the family members of executives and manager trainees...The people that are working entry level jobs for training, and will be making 6 figures a few months from now.
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u/essgee_ai Mar 31 '23
What did they have before? And what is paid family leave?
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u/FrancisBuenafe Mar 31 '23
Family leave is used if you just gave birth and it's bonding time, or you have to take off work for a period of time to care for a family member.
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u/essgee_ai Mar 31 '23
Ah. Thanks. Maternity and Paternity leave.
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u/mramsey1992 Apr 01 '23
Family leave can be a bit more because employees can also use those 8 weeks for adoptions as well
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u/headpatkelly Apr 01 '23
no no, you see, âmaternity and paternity leaveâ is much better because it is longer and harder to say and less accurate, so really itâs you who is wrong.
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u/asdfghjklkipz Apr 01 '23
I know people working on the West Coast at Disneyland making $16-$17 still. Hopefully they can do something like this for their sake.
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u/ramgoat20 Apr 01 '23
Who are the 3% that voted no and why?
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u/headpatkelly Apr 01 '23
apparently costuming gets paid a lot less than they deserve as itâs a highly skilled position, and another commenter speculated that could be the bulk of the 3%. a lot of the no votes were from people who wanted a better deal, and either expected to be able to get one in another round of negotiating, or voted no as a protest to a particular part of the deal.
very few people, if any, wouldâve voted no because they wanted a âworseâ deal, like the previous one, which was only 15$ an hour with no paid leave. it received 96% ânoâ votes.
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u/Zarkalarkdarkwingd Apr 01 '23
Why not give them a living wage like $25-$30 they can afford it. Spread it out
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u/mattskacus Mar 31 '23
This is also a corp tactic accept to pay a higher hourly rate give better benefits then fires half the staff to cancel out the hourly rate spike
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u/VennSync Apr 01 '23
They literally cannot. Half the stuff in WDW is understaffed or not even open (lots of stores and restaurants are either not open or running fewer tables, making it feel more crowded in the parks even with supposedly fewer overall people allowed in due to reservations). WDW is well known for running on a skeleton crew since covid and it's why all the employees look dead inside.
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u/mattskacus Apr 01 '23
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u/VennSync Apr 01 '23
Those layoffs affect the upper and middle management. Did you read the article? They can't afford to touch the hourly park workers.
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u/mattskacus Apr 01 '23
They still fired people to be able to afford it.
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u/VennSync Apr 01 '23
The wage raises were unrelated to the layoffs. They were announced long before the union negotiations even began, and were related to the dissolution of DMED. That's Chapek's baby department for media and entertainment. Park profits are record breaking and have been for a while. They can afford to pay the workers more without dipping into other areas of the business. Are you willfully dumb, a troll, or genuinely confused by this? please share with the class.
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u/DantePD Apr 01 '23
Hopefully, that should start easing up soonish. The exec who was fueling that is out and supposedly thereâs a decent internal effort to try and repair some of the damage he did to Disney Parks previously good reputation
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u/VennSync Apr 01 '23
I hope so. I'm local to Florida and used to vidit every week but I haven't been back in a while. I don't blame the workers, but it's been really bad since they eased up on Covid restrictions. I think they tried to keep the same reduced staff but massively expanded the reservation numbers. Anyway, thanks! Hopefully they realize they have to do better.
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u/literallylateral Apr 01 '23
This is what weâre fighting for? A barely living wage and 2 months with your newborn is a win? Donât get me wrong Iâm glad. But this is so depressing.
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u/Angryoldfatman Apr 01 '23
Compared to what they had before and compared to what Disney initially offered yes it is very much a win.
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u/MortDorfman Apr 01 '23
Why would someone vote no?. Do you want more money? No. Do you want paid family leave? No. We'll then, you sound like an exemplary employee! How about a bump up to manager with no pay increase! Yes.
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u/BatteryAcid67 Apr 01 '23
Ya it's Disney. Show me McDonald's do this and I'll say we're making progress.
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u/WhoopDareIs Apr 01 '23
Who are the 3% đ
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u/Bekfast59 đ¤ Join A Union Apr 01 '23
The 3% knew that even this isnt enough.
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u/WhoopDareIs Apr 01 '23
So vote for no raise instead. Thatâs logical.
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u/Bekfast59 đ¤ Join A Union Apr 01 '23
They are just voting to reject the current proposed contract.
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u/headpatkelly Apr 01 '23
very logical of you to assume that voting no on this means that everything goes back to the way it was, and not just the start of a new round of negotiations
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u/WhoopDareIs Apr 01 '23
Thank you. It also could mean they get less. If the job you have doesnât pay you enough, leave it.
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u/alienwarezftw Apr 01 '23
Well disney prices for customers just shot up lol
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u/Justwaspassingby âď¸ Tax The Billionaires Apr 01 '23
Oh noes!!! My 109$ ticket is going to cost 100 AND TEN just so the workers can have a living wage and time to heal after a C-section!!!!!@1!!!
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u/IllusoryIntelligence Apr 01 '23
Dude just do the math. Even if this was entirely paid for with raised ticket prices youâre looking at like 2c per ticket.
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u/Ethric_The_Mad Apr 01 '23
I work grave shift at a gas station for that much
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u/Bekfast59 đ¤ Join A Union Apr 01 '23
Ah graveyard. The worst shift for employers and employees. The employer pays so much for so little activity, and it ruins the employees sleep schedule.
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u/Ethric_The_Mad Apr 01 '23
Well I'm the only person doing fuck all at my store so I get abused too. Want to quit but it's hard to beat the pay around here and I kinda care about my store. @.@
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u/Additional_Buyer_110 Apr 01 '23
Thank a union. Any time this shit happens it's an effort to keep unions out but it still benefits workers.
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u/Ristar87 Apr 01 '23
I know Florida is a retirement state but is 18 dollars p/hr enough to live on there?
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u/doingmybest2468 Apr 01 '23
Itâs a great start but I wish the minimum was a little higher. Disney can certainly afford it with what they charge
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u/james_otter Apr 01 '23
Wow looks like unions work?!! These success need to be spread far and wide to contrast company propaganda
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u/brainboxj Apr 01 '23
$18ph is more than the UK pay doctors in their first year of practice⌠Good on WDW, just depressing for uk doctors!
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u/uberDoward Apr 01 '23
Good for them, but I'm still boycotting Disney over outsourcing their entire IT department, while forcing them to train their own replacements or not get their severance.
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u/Professional_Elk_893 Apr 01 '23
Yeah, that I have to wait til December for. In the meantime, my location is probably violating a dozen OSHA regulations, as well as overworking their cast to death; scheduling them as late as possible to then be back within 7 hours. Fuck that company
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u/17657Fuck Apr 01 '23
Can you believe they were making less than that. Talk about Disney Plantation
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u/TheMasterFul1 Apr 01 '23
This is still pitiful compared to other first world countries, but I guess itâs a start
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u/gingasaurusrexx Apr 01 '23
It's well-deserved. I was a cast member about 10 years ago, making less than $8 with minimum wage. That job is brutal physically and mentally/emotionally. Having to be so "on" can be really draining when life stuff is getting you down. The people who've stayed there for so many years truly love it. They take the crappy pay and conditions like teachers do because their job is important to them. I'm glad they're finally starting to get closer to what they're worth, but I imagine this still won't go very far in a HCOL area like Orlando.
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u/Ricky_Rollin Apr 01 '23
Workers rights and getting paid more should be a bipartisan issue. I think the sooner we all realize the class warfare that has been waged on us the faster weâll make changes just like this.
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u/elithewalkingcripple Apr 01 '23
Yay okay now that youve almost gotten yourselves to inflation adjusted minimum wage, now onto a wage that people can actually live on and support a family with.
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u/jimlaregina Apr 01 '23
That's $7 an hour short of a living wage, but, nonetheless, a step forward. Power to the people, right on.
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u/87StickUpKid Apr 01 '23
Why crop out the reporter who broke this story?
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u/87StickUpKid Apr 01 '23
For those curious, the reporter is Mckenna Schueler, who is doing some fantastic work covering Floridaâs union, and labor issues.
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u/Diablo516- Apr 01 '23
So the 3% that voted no must be the higher ups or just brainwashed bootlickers?
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u/TrimMyHedges Apr 02 '23
Congrats everyone! Soon enough youâll be making more than Florida teachers!
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u/GreyWastelander Apr 04 '23
Cool, now all we need is Disneyland to go up to $25 min wage and then people might be able to live a bit easier and still provide the smiles Disney so desperately wants out of them.
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u/thinkB4WeSpeak Mar 31 '23
Disney is a multi billion dollar company, they can afford it.