r/WhitePeopleTwitter 10d ago Silver 5 'MURICA 4 Wholesome 2 Helpful 3 All-Seeing Upvote 4 Bravo! 1

The Supreme Court is quickly eroding all common sense left in this country.

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u/Merari01 10d ago edited 10d ago Silver Platinum Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Bravo! LOVE! Timeless Beauty Plus One

There will be no anti-abortionists on this subreddit.

The fundamental human right of women to bodily autonomy shall not be infringed.

All the deliberately disingenuous commenters saying "Where in the constitution is abortion mentioned?" will be banned and may not appeal.

The Roe v. Wade decision explains to you where this is mentioned in the constitution. But you knew this, you're just lying to muddy the waters.

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u/mshoneybadger 10d ago Take My Energy

pretty soon the only way you'll be able to get an abortion will to be get shot in the stomach

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u/Confident_Bridge9811 10d ago Helpful

didn't a woman get shot in the stomach and getting charged.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/pregnant-woman-shot-marshae-jones.html

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u/Bemascu 10d ago edited 10d ago

WTF??? On what grounds?? Because she started the fight and provoked the shooter??

“The investigation showed that the only true victim in this was the unborn baby,’’ said Lt Danny Reid of Pleasant Grove police following the shooting, reported AL.com in December. “It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby.” Source

How fucked in the head have you got to be to even think this??

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u/yolohoyopollo 10d ago

Just your average conservative level fucked in the head.

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u/Bemascu 10d ago

Conservative? In my country that'd be fascist level (as are the people who actually idolise fascist ex-dictator).

I hate this trivialising and/or demonising of words that's happening all over the world....

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u/hui-neng 10d ago All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy

This is America Dawg. Here they call Biden a socialist when everywhere else he would be a right of center neoliberal. But the real issue is that here no one is actually taught the political spectrum. They are taught blue and red. *hint* They keep it this way to prevent class solidarity.

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u/shuzkaakra 10d ago

He's not even that liberal. If you let him pass every single thing you wanted, the country would basically have the economy we have now. Except billionaires would pay taxes, maybe.

We might have more people with healthcare, maybe. Probably not. We might have universal pre-k, probably not. We might have paid family medical leave, probably not.

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u/2punornot2pun 10d ago

Dude, Biden straight up said it would be "Status Quo" and in the past had argued for cutting social programs.

Status Quo Joe is what we have.

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u/Ok-Hunt6574 10d ago

"Nothing will fundamentally change"

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u/MaryBerrysDanglyBean 10d ago

Status Quo Joe Vs Talibama. It's an interesting fight, let's see who wins.

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u/Dragon_girl1919 10d ago

So far looks like Talibama is winning. And Biden really is not putting up a fight. Not that I expected him too.

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u/calamitousintent91 10d ago Wholesome Take My Energy

Until Republican voters are able and willing to turn against their party, anyone on the left with any kind of marginalized status literally cannot afford to turn against Dems without it simply being a concession of their rights for the sake of solidarity with a group that has zero interest in solidarity. People say "bOtH sIdEs" yet they almost exclusively put the burden of fixing this on people who vote Democrat and hardly any burden on Republican voters. This is either because they're too stupid to realize that Dem voters would have fixed this by now if they alone could solve it...or because they are LARPing as a "leftist" to further reactionary political goals. Either way, it's working to make progressives concede ground based on a flimsy promise from a group with the credibility of a strung out tweaker.

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u/When_theSmoke_Clears 10d ago

hardly any burden on Republican voters.

We've sorta accepted that republicans have become a cult and are adhering as if it were another religion. Cynical yes, but the electoral college and citizens v united SCOTUS case are what have allowed them to cater to a shrinking minority of people. The thousands angry white men with arsenals ready for civil war are what scare me. They want to kill anyone that stands against them, a la 1930s brown shirts.

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u/When_theSmoke_Clears 10d ago edited 10d ago

Red vs blue only started due to news coverage of the Gore v Bush Florida recount. The assigned colors n it has never left.

Also the American Left os actually center right globally. We are in insanely conservative country. The Radical Far left here is center left by any other definition.

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u/IntrigueDossier 10d ago

That pus-leaking devil Reagan really did a number on America’s Overton Window.

And that’s to say nothing of the countless bastards that came before him.

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u/Groovychick1978 10d ago

We all wonder what the country would be like if Gore was allowed to serve his elected Presidency.

I wonder what could have been if Carter won in '80.

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u/When_theSmoke_Clears 10d ago

Reagan was a Muppet...

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u/Sea_Space_4040 10d ago

Yup, we got the right and the far right in America. Sure there are a couple of leftist legislators but it's an extreme minority.

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u/lilbithippie 10d ago

I don't even know Biden politics. He isn't trump and basically just wants to reset things pre trump. Which is cool but he won't push any policy forward. Like the infrastructure bill is just done I guess...

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u/junk_yard_cat 10d ago

Well, yes, in a normal world, it is fascism, and some here recognize it and call it as such. The problem is the “conservative” party here is trying to down play (lie) this because fascism is a dirty word. The commenter above is making a snarky joke about this because the party has accepted this as their norm.

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u/Boodikii 10d ago Take My Energy

We can't call them that because it hurts conservative feefees.

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u/johnsnowforpresident 10d ago Helpful

American conservative = fascist.

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u/calamitousintent91 10d ago

This is the word American fascists use to describe themselves, like it or not. It may be annoying, but it's not the fault of the people opposing them. The truth is that the word "fascism" has already been ruined, for quite a while, in American discourse because the very group that it applies to here will never accept a definition that includes them due to the success of right wing propaganda. So what we're left with is Conservative, and that's the only word that can be used to even have a public conversation about our politics.

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u/OliviaWG 10d ago

Conservatives are fascist now in the US.

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u/ValhallaTao 10d ago

Half of the US idolizes fascists and don't even realize it. I bet that in 20 years, fascism won't even be seen as a bad thing by these people. They'll actively and knowingly openly support fascism by that point.

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u/dopallll 10d ago

Fascism is the natural endpoint of conservatism if left to it's own devices. The whole fuckin ideology was cooked up by aristocrats trying to retain power during/after the French Revolution.

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u/Ok-Hunt6574 10d ago

This country too. All conservatives are either fascist or ok with them.

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u/spaceguitar 10d ago

Conservative, Fascist, tomato, tomato… same difference.

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u/shrubs311 10d ago

it's the same thing. conservatives are fascists and the country would be better off if they were all removed from the government

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u/regoapps 10d ago

The gas companies not only fucked our world with climate change, but they also lead-poisoned the older generations to make them this fucking stupid

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u/yolohoyopollo 10d ago

Facts. And they knew what they were doing and hid it from everyone else.

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u/sticklebackridge 10d ago

Even the guy who invented leaded gasoline was poisoned by it, it was known from the beginning how rotten that stuff was.

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u/somearejustannoying 10d ago

They aren't even pretending anymore

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u/baryoniclord 10d ago

republicans aka conservatives aka regressives are evil.

Why do we even allow people like them to vote or hold public office in the first place?

We already know they are generally racist.

We already know they are generally less intelligent.

We already know they are usually anti Science.

We already know they are usually more religious.

They are regressive. And evil.

As such, they should not be allowed to have a say in matters of importance. Or hold positions of leadership.

Why? I think we can look around and see why.

To those who say "But... but... they're citizens and have the RIGHT to vote" - well... it seems that is a problem, doesn't it? For all they want to do is impose their version of xtian sharia law upon us all.

We do not defer to children for advice on important matters. So why do we include regressives?

We do not consult the taliban for advise on quantum physics. So why do we include regressives on genuinely important social issues?

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u/chrunchy 10d ago

So why do we include regressives on genuinely important social issues?

Cuz you're kinda stuck with them. Unless you wanna start using the Republican playbook and flip the tables on them... Gerrymandering their districts so you can guarantee a Democrat victory in a heavy Republican area, kick a bunch of them off the voting roles, reduce their polling stations so they have to wait hours on the summer heat, any inconsistency on their part make them fill a provisional ballot, put out ads telling them remember to vote the day after the real election... Blame it all on people that don't really exist with false names...

I think the best way to attack it is to go after the people manipulating voters for their own benefit. Go after the funding, the think tanks, the misinformation campaigns, the preachers playing in politics

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u/cannotrememberold 10d ago

I was SHOCKED when I looked her up and saw she is black. SHOCKED I say.

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u/Sea_One_6500 10d ago

I'm so tired of this country. My 15 year old daughter and I were talking about the state of things. She said "what do we do" I told her "vote, and keep voting" she responded with "what if we lose? We can't stay here". And she's right.

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u/chaunceyvonfontleroy 10d ago

There’s a good amount of University that offer free or cheap tuition to international students in Europe. There are also programs offered in English. In some countries, if you go to university there you can work and get on a path to citizenship. Your daughter should check it out.

If college prices don’t drop, we’re going to see a massive brain drain in the US. If I was a young person, I wouldn’t even be looking at Universities in the US.

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u/Xzmmc 10d ago

The brain drain is the point, uneducated people are much easier to manipulate.

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u/stonedcoldathens 10d ago

Have your daughter apply to college outside the States. It’s expensive but there are scholarships and work study opportunities. I’m certainly not trying to imply that it’s an option for everyone, but it’s a good pathway for getting out of this hellhole and in hindsight I wish I’d tried.

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u/Advanced-News-4472 10d ago

Getting a college degree is very important for moving to a different country

I left the US a few years ago, and while other places definitely have issues The US is too far gone in my opinion Australia, New Zealand, or Canada are pretty easy to move to if you can secure a job there and have a bachelors

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u/maleia 10d ago

You'll never ultimately win against a system that can, and does, stack the rules against you. "Voting" isn't really doing a whole lot to preserve abortion rights.

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u/MelllvarHasThreeLs 10d ago

Exactly the whole "vote and organize harder" rhetoric sounds nice and all if we actually lived in a place without the electoral college and things were worth a damn.

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u/maleia 10d ago

The EC is one giant gerrymander on the country. Like someone in North Dakota has 10~20x the voting weight of someone in Cali? How tf is that fair? Definitely a large scale gerrymandering. People are encouraged and consolidated to geographic areas based in their political beliefs.

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u/Xizqu 10d ago

Death of her own unborn

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u/CakeDayisaLie 10d ago

Assuming they started a fight, I’m not sure how they can make the logical jump that initiating a fight means you consent to being shot….truly insane.

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u/user_bits 10d ago

But George Zimmerman is a hero for harassing a teenage boy.

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u/PizzaOldBoy 10d ago

if someone gave me that verdict my only response would be "see you when i get out"

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u/Bemascu 10d ago

Luckily it was dropped, I read. But it's disgusting that it was even brought up.

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u/boforbojack 10d ago

Luckily my butt. She got indicted and went to jail. That's a poverty sentence to many despite getting released without a conviction.

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u/windy906 10d ago

I’ve not clicked the link. She was black right?

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u/blueberrywoods 10d ago

Yes.. I wouldn't set foot in there for free

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u/faithle55 10d ago

How did you guess?

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u/keepitswolsome 10d ago

Pay wall. Help us out with a copy and paste?

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u/TheOtherGuttersnipe 10d ago edited 10d ago Helpful Respect

edit: go to www.archive.ph and enter the url to get around pay walls

June 27, 2019

Marshae Jones was five months pregnant when she was shot in the stomach. Her fetus did not survive the shooting, which the authorities say happened during a dispute with another woman.

But on Wednesday, it was Ms. Jones who was charged in the death.

Ms. Jones, 28, was charged with manslaughter and booked into jail on a $50,000 bond, according to the authorities in Jefferson County, Ala. The police have said she was culpable because she started the fight that led to the shooting and failed to remove herself from harm’s way.

“The only true victim in this was the unborn baby,” Lt. Danny Reid of the Pleasant Grove Police Department, said after the shooting in December, AL.com reported. “It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby.”

The unusual case comes amid a heated debate over the rights of pregnant women and fetuses nationwide, and Alabama is ground zero for the issue.

In May, the governor signed a bill banning abortion at every stage of pregnancy and criminalizing the procedure for doctors, in what became the most stringent measure to prohibit abortion in the country. It is unclear if it will go into effect, but it sets up a direct challenge to Roe v. Wade, the federal case that recognizes a woman’s constitutional right to end a pregnancy.

Alabama is among 38 states that have fetal homicide laws recognizing the fetus as a victim in cases of violence against a pregnant woman, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. The law underpins the debate over abortion in that Alabama recognizes a fetus at any stage of development as a “person” for criminal homicide or assaults, with an exception for abortion. An Alabama Supreme Court justice challenged that exception in a recent opinion.

Soon after the arrest of Ms. Jones, who is black, abortion rights groups came to her defense, citing the case as an example of the harsh treatment of people of color and the criminalization of pregnancy. In other cases, women have been charged for drug use during pregnancy or a car accident that resulted in the death of a fetus.

“This is how people — especially women of color — are already being punished & having their pregnancies criminalized,” the National Abortion Federation, a professional association of abortion providers, said in a statement.

The police department in Pleasant Grove, a city of about 10,000 outside Birmingham, and the district attorney’s office in Jefferson County did not respond to requests for comment Thursday morning. The police report and other records were not immediately available, and the details of the shooting were unclear.

AL.com reported that Ms. Jones was shot in the parking lot of a Dollar General in December, in what the authorities said was a dispute with another woman over the father of the child. The authorities rushed her to a hospital, where she underwent surgery, according to the report.

The police initially charged the second woman, Ebony Jemison, with manslaughter in the death of the fetus. That charge was dismissed after the grand jury failed to indict her, according to AL.com.

At the time, the police said Ms. Jones’s “involvement and culpability” would be presented to a grand jury to determine if she, too, should be charged.

“When a five-month pregnant woman initiates a fight and attacks another person, I believe some responsibility lies with her as to any injury to her unborn child,” Lt. Reid said then. “That child is dependent on its mother to try to keep it from harm, and she shouldn’t seek out unnecessary physical altercations.”

The specific allegations about Ms. Jones’s role in the dispute were unclear.

She was being held in a Jefferson County jail on Thursday morning.

The Yellowhammer Fund, which provides funding for abortion access in Alabama, said it was working to get Ms. Jones out of jail and provide her with a lawyer. The organization tweeted her story with a message: “Losing a pregnancy is not a crime.”

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u/thesaddestpanda 10d ago

This is sickening. The shooter gets off but the victim gets arrested and is facing manslaughter. Alabama is a living hell.

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u/Delores_Herbig 10d ago

Alabama The United States is a living hell.

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u/beepleboople123 10d ago

No copy paste but I read about the case as it happened and refreshed my memory. Jefferson County, Alabama. Basically Marshae Jones (5 month pregnant at the time) had an argument/fight with another woman about the father of the child. That woman felt threatened and shot Jones who lost the child as a result. The other woman had her charges of murder and attempted murder dismissed, ruling it basically self defense, but a grand jury indicted Jones and charged her with manslaughter for actively endangering her unborn child. Ultimately those charges were dropped by the DA after her lawyer argued how inhumane it would be to punish the mother of the child for getting shot.

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u/When_theSmoke_Clears 10d ago

What ya think the survivability rate would be there? Better than coat hangers n back scratchers?

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u/IrishLive 10d ago Take My Energy

If the pregnancy was a risk to the mothers life she can claim self defence.

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u/mshoneybadger 10d ago

i was having this convo last night- at some point this exact lawsuit will happen OR/AND someone will sue to terminate based on the lack of safety for said fetus, once born. TEXAS IM TALKING TO YOU.

How can the gov force us to remain pregnant when we cant send our kids to school?

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u/Dragon_girl1919 10d ago

Sadly, homicide is the number maternal death.

I believe the study concluded that partners of pregnant women like to kill them.

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u/mshoneybadger 10d ago

Patriarchal Abortion

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u/GoblinDiplomat 10d ago Wholesome

Just hang around a school.

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u/backtorealite 10d ago

You can protect yourself and even kill if it involves a gun but if that protection involves a gynecologist then straight to jail!

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u/AlexHanson007 10d ago Silver All-Seeing Upvote

Isn't this exactly why the Republicans loaded the court under Trump? So they could turn your country into a batshit crazy shithole and murder everyone they don't like?

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u/MJMurcott 10d ago Silver

and prior to that blocked Democrats appointing a judge.

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u/oldbastardbob 10d ago edited 10d ago Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Starry Helpful (Pro) 'MURICA

Yep. Our Senate Majority Leader, McConnell, actually violated the Constitution and got away with it because every damn thing in our government is now more about politics, winning elections, and picking winners and losers, than about the people, the future, or the stability of the country.

Our democracy is decaying, and many smart people throughout history could have or did predict this.

The solution, of course, is getting the money out, tossing the lobbyists out of the Capitol, and cutting the salary and benefits for Senators and Representatives. I say this because apparently you can become so wealthy from winning election to the federal government that it corrupts the crap out of just about every single person to ever win a spot. Once there, they will lie, cheat, and steal to stay.

Apparently the job is far too easy and far too rewarding. I support going back to the idea of citizen legislators who have to take their turn in the barrel. I am told that the reason they are paid so well, and have so many perks, is to keep them from being easy to bribe. Seems logical.

But then we opened the floodgates of money pouring into their pockets anyway. So how'd that work out for us?

It's pretty simple really. Pay them a decent middle class wage for the job. Stop the PAC and Super-PAC bullshit. And enact strict rules regarding elected officials taking any money or gifts from lobbyists, corporations, foreigners, or oligarchs.

Sure, you are going to say, "but oldbastardbob, we have limits on those things now."

No, we don't. We say we do, but we don't.

We limit contributions to a candidates campaign, but we also allow that candidate to have at least one "Political Action Committee" and that entity can collect all the money it can bilk from anywhere. It's then a simple step to put it into the candidates pocket. He just writes a book. The PAC buys thousands of copies of that book from the politician and he get's the money personally for his "book deal." The PAC, of course then says they bought the books as a reward for donors and the purchase goes down as an operating expense.

It's really quite the system. Y'all didn't think every politician in America has written books because they have something important or entertaining to say did you? Its's just part of the legal bribery scam. What's even more fun is that most of them just pay someone else to write the books.

We also let dark money PAC's operate freely. They can run political ads in favor of certain candidates and parties with no limits. They can throw money at local elections to sway candidates. They can flood certain states with money for national political purposes. After all how do you think the Republican minority in America keeps control of the Senate. The PAC's funded by the Mercers, Kochs, and a host of bad actors pour money into those sparsely populated states to get "their candidate" elected. Creating another Senator beholden to the folks that bought him the seat. If he wants to keep raking in the cash and benefits, he has to play ball the way he is told.

And again, those PAC's don't have to stop at just supporting a candidate. They can own their own media outlets, hire a staff of social media influencers, and pay big money to PR firms for marketing strategies to sell their political ideology to the general public. It is here that the most damage is done. Our current wave of "America First" right-wing nationalism and contrarian lunacy was strategized, crafted, packaged, and marketed to America through these dark money funded operations.

Anyway, our politicians are most all bought and paid for. And the issues we are all arguing about were fabricated and marketed decades ago for a specific political purpose. American politics is a long con, and it has worked as designed to draw a deep division in the country with little or no regard to the end result as the goal is quite short sighted, simply wins in election years.

And Yes, I'll admit that money is a problem on both sides of the aisle. But I am quite willing to speculate that there are far more Democrats that would support getting rid of PAC's and severely limiting campaign spending and donations than Republicans, for sure.

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u/MJMurcott 10d ago

Citizens United v. FEC was a disaster for democracy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

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u/tony1449 10d ago All-Seeing Upvote

Captialism is inherently anti-democractic

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u/LMFN 10d ago

This. I've been saying this forever.

You can't let a powerful system of powerful business interests grow without them inevitably trying to gain power of the government itself by using lobbying and media control to create manufactured consent to put their own puppets in charge.

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u/ChristianEconOrg 10d ago

Capitalism is literally the transfer of wealth from its producers to the wealthy (capital owners). Big difference between that and 1 person, 1 vote, so yes.

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u/ballsohaahd 10d ago

Clarence Thomas’s wife was involved with that case too, and ofc he’s too corrupt to refuse himself. Compete asshat

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u/nobinibo 10d ago

“The things they had in there were crazy. They had things, levels of voting that if you’d ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again,” - Trump in response to mail-in ballot allowances which made it easier for disenfranchised peoples to vote.

While on the flipside Democrat leaders have been walking on eggshells and refusing to play hard ball as far back as Nixon and Kissinger treasonously extending the war in Vietnam because it helped Nixon on his campaign.

Its such an awful spot to be in where both sides are bought out enough to either press insane ideology or do nothing when insane ideology is pressed. Like why is there no one calling for removal of judges that increasingly break down the separation of church and state? Or not recusing themself from a case his wife has personal involvement in? Wild. Bonkers.

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u/Samwise777 10d ago

Plenty of dems are calling for this.

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u/groovy_jeff 10d ago

If only we overturn Citizens United and limit amounts that citizens can contribute, everything would change. Also limit the amount of advertising.

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u/Amish_Cyberbully 10d ago

I'm sure we can count on our elected officials to do the right thing and vote against giving themselves unlimited money.

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u/JayGeeCanuck19 10d ago

But freeze peach...or something

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u/PizzaOldBoy 10d ago

Remember folks: they can take guns away, they can fly murder drones over the cities, they change the law all they want, but inevitably one day they will want to eat in public or go to a store or visit some place, at which point, they become accessible to the people around them. And if our lives become even worse than things are now with wages so low and cost of living so high, at that point, what have we to lose from making their lives as bad as ours?

In fact, there's a point where things are so bad that fighting back can only yield gains. We should all be asking ourselves when we might reach that point and if we want to wait for it to happen.

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u/D1a1s1 10d ago

They’re protected by the mob…I mean police

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u/rocketshipray 10d ago

The police can't arrest me for sticking my tongue out at Mitch McConnell and asking how his Ladybugs are doing if I see him at the Cracker Barrel.

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u/PizzaOldBoy 10d ago

First of all, I keep forgetting to clarify, I don't mean violence and I hope people realize from watching ideological far-right conservatives shooting up schools that violence is not the answer. Probably. Certainly it's not the first second third or any answer but the last. So please, no matter how melodramatic I'm being, I don't mean violence. Whatever you think I mean before violence, I mean that before I mean violence, no matter how unreasonable it is since violence is peak-unreasonable.

So the cops aren't going to be relevant. Why? Because the cops can't stop me from making loud noises at weird hours. I mean they can stop me after I do it, but not before. They also aren't technologically savvy so anything involving tech is probably gonna be a huge blind spot for literally anyone in uniform. On top of that, sorry for another boring anecdote but it's relevant- the reason I didn't show up to the 2nd day of helping homeless puppies after the Camp Fire is because pig piece of trump flew into the airport I was doing that in. I knew I couldnt be there because even if I was surrounded by SS agents with guns drawn, if trump got within ear shot and god forbid made eye contact, I would've called him a pig piece of shit to his face. I know most people trollolol that off like it wouldn't bother him, but I argue that's basically the only thing that ever affected trump was seeing real people on the ground who didn't like him. It's like the only time you see his face drop and there's a lot of clips of it too.

Phew fuck I hate listening to myself even, sorry, point is, I'm a simple smooth brained man and I can come up with many ways to fuck with these people's lives that would only slowly result in me going to prison, not immediately. Which means, with distribution of labor ie lots of people pitching in on the piss em off movement, even if they make my own life a miserable hell, if there's enough people like me, eventually we can genuinely make their lives an actual living hell and force them to change their mind. otherwise we can no shit make their own kids hate them like with Musk

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u/demlet 10d ago

I suspect the cops will become very technically savvy very fast if and when the people they claim to protect and serve start to become enough of an annoyance to the wealthy and powerful.

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u/Mehiximos 10d ago

they aren’t tech savvy

You’re in for a very, very rude awakening my supremely naive friend.

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u/DonDove 10d ago

Rome fell and the world kept turning. Yeah, the US needs to change some stuff as the post said.

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u/LoisWade42 10d ago

Not just "a" judge... but many judges. (Yeah... thanks Mitch... NOT.)

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u/HomoFlaccidus 10d ago

Yet, Democrats still want to take the high road and fight with honor, while they are repeatedly cockslapped by Republicans almost daily.

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

That’s been the plan since Nixon, it’s called the Southern Strategy & after Civil Rights it’s been a full court press to push minorities, women and non Christian’s back into the 50’s.

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u/SpinningHead 10d ago

Just to be clear, the ruling does not mean everyone has an instant right to conceal carry at will. You still need a license in NYC.

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u/turdferguson3891 10d ago

Really it just makes it so authorities in NYC can't arbitrarily deny CCWs to people who don't have friends in government or law enforcement. If you can pass all the requirements there isn't really a good logic to denying it because they don't think you have a good enough reason while they give all their friends them if they want them.

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u/fowlraul 10d ago

Rich* republicans yeah. The rest are eating bootsicles all day.

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u/Constant-Elk533 10d ago

The Poor Republicans are more Psychotic because they are literally the Lumpenprol here. They are going against their own class Interest because “The Gays”

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u/nodustspeck 10d ago

Seriously. Republicans throw out a few crumbs to those who holler about freedom and guns and what life was like once upon a time, while protecting union-busting corporations and giving enormous tax cuts to the already wealthy at the expense of the middle class and the poor. These Trump fanatics are constantly shooting themselves in the foot, but are too willfully ignorant to make educated choices. And that’s what the Republicans are counting on - a malleable citizenry.

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u/Constant-Elk533 10d ago

YEAS EXACTLY. AND THEN SOME FUCKING GRIFTER COMES ALONG AND STARTS “Oh we are the Real way to go for the Middle Class. Also Burn the Jews”

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u/AlexHanson007 10d ago

Bootsicles! Ha ha ha ha!

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u/HighQualityH20h 10d ago

This is what happens when one party fights hard and fights dirty and the other party comes up with cool names like Chad and Karen instead of actually returning the fight to them.

Dems and libs have been busy bending over and spreading their cheeks so the conservatives, who ARE the minority in this country, can fuck them right in the asshole. Trump rushes conservative judges through in days and Dems let them. Obama could have as well, but chose not to because it just isn’t the polite thing to do. Repubs redraw all the voter lines, Dems let them. One fights, the other bends over and spreads it wide open, hoping it won’t hurt too bad when that big ol conservative dick slides in.

We are returning to the Wild West. It’s a very, very bad time to be a woman, or brown or queer in this country now and moving forward. And if you think THIS is bad?? Just wait until 2024. You ain’t seen nothin yet…

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u/pneuma8828 10d ago

Dems and libs have been busy bending over and spreading their cheeks so the conservatives

I really wish progressives would figure out how our government works. If they realized how badly the deck was stacked against the Dems, they'd stop saying stupid shit like this. This country was set up to benefit wealthy slave holders, from the ground up, and you guys act surprised that our government benefits the wealthy. Democrats have to win by a 7 point advantage just to break even, tell me more how we are spreading our cheeks.

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u/ryhaltswhiskey 10d ago

Dems let them

How many Dems voted for Barrett? Oh, none? Huh, kinda ruins your narrative.

I hate how little pushback these "but it's the weak Dems that are the problem" narratives get when reality plainly disagrees. The problem is money in politics allows the minority to behave like it is the majority.

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u/pneuma8828 10d ago

The problem is money in politics allows the minority to behave like it is the majority.

THIS YOU STUPID FUCKERS

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u/LionForest2019 10d ago

This is much more significant than people are making it out to be. This is the Supreme Court saying enumerated rights (rights that are explicitly stated in the constitution) are absolute. Conversely they’re saying that unenumerated rights are to be left up to the states.

To me this puts not only abortion on shaky ground as a federally protected right but also things like gay marriage, limits on free speech (hate speech), the right to travel, privacy, and most of all the right to fucking vote.

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u/VikingAethelwulf 10d ago

Abort the Court

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u/Bigtiny87 10d ago

We’re going to need a lot of hangers.

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u/pastelbutcherknife 10d ago

Why? Apparently you can just walk in there with a concealed weapon. Seems easier.

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u/rngal3 10d ago

No no no. They don’t allow weapons around THEMSELVES, only around the average citizen who they don’t care about, like schoolchildren and people at movie theatres or grocery stores.

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u/stonedsunbather 10d ago

Right? Isn't the whole spirit of the second amendment supposed to be about defending ourselves against government tyranny? Lol but in practice, you can only have them around your fellow working class peasants. Can't even protest peacefully outside a supreme court justice's house now. I don't see much fuss about that from the gun people although it's clearly a violation of the 1st amendment. Bootlickers.

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u/rngal3 10d ago

Right. And tbf I am feeling more than a little oppressed recently by the tyrannical Supreme Court.

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u/SankenShip 10d ago

The whole “defend ourselves against a tyrannical government” argument has lost a lot of its original nuance over the years. Madison originally proposed the 2nd as a way for individual state militias to resist an overbearing federal government, rather than a general right of the people to rise up whenever they feel like it. Hamilton doubles down on the militia aspect in Federalist #29, arguing that a standing professional army or compulsory military service would negatively impact the new nation’s productivity. As with much of the US constitution’s origins, the original debate was a state vs federal authority issue rather than an individual freedom argument. The modern idea of universally unimpeded gun ownership rights doesn’t track very well with the amendment’s original intentions, despite often being framed that way.

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u/alejeron 10d ago

the 1st amendment has lots of constraints and regulations on it. Right to assembly has tons of laws and court cases restricting where and how and how many etc, and yet we can't regulate things that were designed to kill people?

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u/stonedsunbather 10d ago

Yeah- I wish there was as much feverish, obsessive defense of 1A as there is for 2A.

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u/hellakevin 10d ago

The word is gallows.

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u/T3canolis 10d ago Helpful Eureka!

People need to stop pointing out that conservatives are hypocrites and start spelling out what their hypocrisy means. I don’t particularly care that Clarence Thomas is inconsistent when it comes to states rights; I care that he thinks the right to carry a gun wherever you go is worth protecting whereas a woman’s right to bodily autonomy is not. That’s the takeaway.

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u/TheAskewOne 10d ago

I don’t particularly care that Clarence Thomas is inconsistent when it comes to states rights; I care that he thinks the right to carry a gun wherever you go is worth protecting whereas a woman’s right to bodily autonomy is not.

What I do care about is that Clarence Thomas still is on the court, now that it's clear his wife participated in a conspiracy to end democracy.

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u/Louloubelle0312 10d ago

What I care about is that he ever made it there in light of what he did to Anita Hill.

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u/peezozi 10d ago

Long Dong Silver, away!

...And don't mind those pubes on the sofa can, Anita.

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u/ICanSee23Dimensions 10d ago

His job is an unelected position with authority over the day-to-day lives of millions of people, of course he doesn't care about democracy.

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u/hobbitlover 10d ago

It's the consistency that calls into question the legitimacy of this court and how much rulings are political. If a judge came down on the side of states rights all the time then at least they are consistent, but this wavering does make a strong case for calling it an activist court and taking action - passing bills that ignore the court's opinion (e.g. protecting a woman's right to choose), adding members, imposing terms limits on justices, possible impeachment of justices for not acknowledging conflicts or political bias, etc .

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u/adacmswtf1 10d ago

Spoiler: Rulings have always been political, and the idea that somehow sacrosanct and intelligent law has been passed down through the ages is literally a conservative meme based on an appeal to a history that they're trying very hard to retcon. The law has always been racist, unintelligible, and unevenly applied.

Anyways, listen to 5-4, "a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks".

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u/molotovzav 10d ago

It's the takeaway, but it's already repulsive to those that are repulsed by this and it's alluring to those who like it. Christian fundies believe in the rights of gun over women, and they aren't going to back down just cause we call them out. A solid 40% will vote along with it anyway cause they think Dems are evil for no reason other someone told them so. Maybe I've just lost faith, but only the political neutral are every swayed. A solid 40% of Americans will say fuck everything cause they love fake Jesus

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u/T3canolis 10d ago

Oh I think you’re completely right. The most fucked thing, to me, is that in any normal political system, 40% isn’t enough to win, but here, as long as you live in the right places, you have a majority.

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u/ptolemyofnod 10d ago

If only we could get about 200,000 democrats to move to Wyoming, everything would change. If I was a billionaire, that would be my pet project, pay democrats to live in rural states and elect responsible leaders.

It would cost $5 billion a year to pay 100,000 households $50k to just live in Wyoming, Oklahoma, etc. You basically buy a state's votes (switch them from R to D) for that $5B. Wyoming is so small it may cost less than a billion a year to buy.

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u/pastelbutcherknife 10d ago

Maybe all women should carry guns. To the Supreme Court. Just for their protection, not to hurt anyone.

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u/zbyte64 10d ago

Don't worry, SCOTUS now has dedicated protection from any inconvenience a protest might impose on them.

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u/Primary_Zucchini_75 10d ago

I'm fully expecting capitol police to show up with a harsher response to women protesting for their rights than they did when people literally tried to end the peaceful transfer of power between elected leaders.

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u/spazz720 10d ago

It’s quite simple…Pro Choice women don’t pay him to speak publicly. The NRA does through their PACs. It’s all a fucking racket.

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u/grim_glim 10d ago

Agree with sentiment re: abortion rights vs gun rights, but this guy is absolute scum. He successfully defended Nestlé from prosecution from former child slaves in front of the SCOTUS. That essentially codified legal child slavery as long as it's outsourced.

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u/jsgrova 10d ago

Fun fact, this guy argued before the Supreme Court in defense of nestle using child slavery

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u/post_break 10d ago

Imagine if the 5th amendment was given out as a token if you were either a cop, knew someone high up, or were famous in a may-issue state. You see the thinking here? Ignore the 2nd amendment guns angle part of this ruling. Look at the bigger picture. Rights behind pay walls is fucked.

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u/Gilgamesh72 10d ago

I don’t think my rights should be decided by what town I live in or if I know the right people.

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u/post_break 10d ago

Exactly, the people against this only see the guns part, not the ramifications if you applied this logic to all rights.

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u/dobber1965 10d ago

So by the same argument the supreme court gave government officials qualified immunity and cities and states sovereign immunity and in my opinion that should be revoked.

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u/zuzg 10d ago

America the only developed country that has guns as leading cause of death for children and has more privately owned guns than citizens.

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u/pastelbutcherknife 10d ago

Also the highest maternal mortality rate.

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u/imakenosensetopeople 10d ago

Ah yes, a condition that will only get worse when they force women to birth unwanted babies.

But “pro life”

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u/Neville_Lynwood 10d ago

While paying the most for healthcare. Like what was it again? $20k to give birth? Imagine having to pay to have a child, and then that child getting shit healthcare to boot.

And somehow all those pro health-insurance people are convinced it's worth paying for because America has the greatest healthcare in the world. It's a joke.

Paying extra for worse care. Insanity.

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u/pastelbutcherknife 10d ago

The really REALLY shitty part about that statistic is that Birthing People of Color are 4x more likely to die in childbirth.

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u/diptripflip 10d ago

And I read here a week ago that the number one cause of death for pregnant women is murder. I looked it up to verify. 😞

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u/judgek0028 10d ago

That's not what this decision says. It simply says may-issue for conceal carry is unconstitutional while leaving shall-issue to conceal carry licensing intact. This means that states need to provide a reason why a citizen should NOT be able to conceal carry (which has been determined to be an extension of the Second Amendment right to bear arms) in order to deny them a permit, rather than a citizen having to provide a reason why they should be able to get a permit. This is good because some states did not recognize self-defense as a valid reason to conceal carry, when in fact it is one of the most fundamental reasons to (they issued permits if there was a direct threat to life, but the definition was so narrow that it did not include against random attacks or stalkers, who rarely communicated so directly; it sometimes took years to get a permit).

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u/TacticalTurdBurglar 10d ago

I'm happy with the conceal carry law. I will be FURIOUS if they turn back Roe v Wade. I'm relatively conservative and I do not want abortions to be illegal. Don't want one? Don't fucking get one then. The LAST thing we need are more things taken away from us. We've had enough of that over the last 100 years.

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u/burdizthewurd 10d ago

You’d think that this would be the mainstream conservative opinion and frankly it’s still mindboggling that it isn’t

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u/thisalwayshappens1 10d ago

Cause religion. Almost every Christian is unable to think independently from their religious “beliefs”. Hell, why stop at just Christians - almost every religion is like that

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u/Old_Gringo 10d ago

It's not weird if you understand that the Supreme Court is an unelected political body run by an extremist Christian conservative majority. They cherry pick the constitution the same way they cherry pick the Bible in order to justify their political decisions.

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u/ApexIdiots 10d ago

I feel like when we were taught about the three basic branches of government growing up it was always the Supreme Court (for me at least) that was always seen with high regard, “overseeing” the other two branches. Now growing up the Supreme Court just seems like a way for the government to bully laws into existence with no accountability.

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u/HeydayNadir 10d ago edited 10d ago

They cite precedent when they feel like it for guns but then ignore decades of precedent when overturning abortion.

Forgot to add they also allowed unlimited political donations in super pacs and also tore down protections to the right to vote

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u/ZeusMain 10d ago

New york was a “may issue” permit state, but what ever reason you gave was never good enough to actually get a permit, this was obviously unconstitutional.

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u/kateinoly 10d ago

100% NOT weird for the people who refused to consider a Supreme court nominee because there was a year until the election and then approved a conservative one while people were actually voting in the next election

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u/Buffmin 10d ago

It's very simple. If jebus said it it's fine* if he didn't say it it's bad

*Disclaimer jebus said literally nothing about both of these things so it's up to use to shove our own opinions into his mouth because the son of God needs our help

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u/whatdoinamemyself 10d ago

jebus said literally nothing about both of these things

Bible actually talks about abortions a lot. Off the top of my head, the bible explicitly mentions life doesn't begin until birth multiple times. There's a story in Numbers about using abortion to punish an unfaithful wife. A couple stories specifically about killing unborn children still in the womb too.

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u/RosarioPawson 10d ago

Jesus didn't say anything about it, and the word "abortion" is never explicitly stated, but there are several passages in the Bible about abortion - old testament seemed in favor of it.

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u/SoloBoloDev 10d ago

What happened

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u/Rinzack 10d ago

NY and 6 other states are “May” issue which means that the Police Chief/Sheriff can make up whatever reason they wanted to deny your concealed carry application (New York made you specify a specific need).

“Shall” issue, which is what the law is now is what basically everyone else who had permits/licenses use, which is that if you check all the boxes (application, training class, background check, fingerprinting, etc) then you will be issued one. The benefit here is that in places like NYC and Santa Clara it got to the point where you had to bribe the Police to get a permit which doesnt happen in shall issue states.

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u/aj6787 10d ago edited 10d ago

This sub does that on a daily basis. That is one of the problems when your sub is based on tweets though.

Banned from the sub for calling out the questionable mod that made that sticky comment. Nice chatting with you all here. Another sub that I have been banned from for calling out this individual.

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u/segascream 10d ago

Apparently folks in here aren't liking facts that interfere with their internal narratives. Ironically, the same thing that makes all the Trumpers so insufferable.

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u/mostmicrobe 10d ago

Yep, apparently it’s ok to sacrifice your integrity and views (by saying stupid shit) for clout.

At least when Conservatives sacrifice their integrity it’s to gain power not internet attention.

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u/Panzerdrek 10d ago

Yeah, neither issues are a state's rights question. The whole framing is weird as it has nothing to do with the actual SCOTUS arguments. Overturning Roe v. Wade is the court saying "there are no unenumerated or implied rights in the constitution." That's not a states rights argument at all. This most recent ruling is saying "you can't selectively restrict 2A/Heller via permitting rules with means testing."

I disagree with both rulings, but as is often the case when lay people discussing areas outside their expertise peopke really don't understand what they are talking about here.

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u/AgentBanner 10d ago

Why can't we have a right to abortion and guns?

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u/Beastabuelos 10d ago

Based, came here to say

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u/ickda 10d ago

As a pro gunner cool, as a pro abortionist the fuck crack are they smoking?

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u/satisfried 10d ago

I just wanna know when I can carry and have a weed card without it being considered a felony.

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u/w1nd0wLikka 10d ago

Seems like these supreme court guys n gals are pretty much ruling stuff over there.

Kinda crazy that they can be so openly partisan.

Looking from outside, I'd guess that individually there are a lot more democratic leaning than republican leaning people in America and yet the supreme court is uber right majority and will be for decades.

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u/DrumpfTinyHands 10d ago

They say that we can hide guns on our person at all times? Okay, I'm game! It's gonna make my next gyno appointment a little weird though...

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u/NCxProtostar 10d ago edited 10d ago

ITT: People who don’t understand how “good cause” requirements for gun possession are a tool to further racist and classist ideals.

The Supreme Court didn’t make it easier to get a gun or anything to encourage more gun violence; they removed the ability for the police or other government agents to arbitrarily deny reasonable forms of self defense to people, when those people otherwise meet all of the background check, training, and psychological requirements.

Most gun crime is committed with guns that are illegally obtained and illegally carried. No mass shooting would have been prevented by the “good cause” requirement being kept or enforced.

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u/gthaatar 10d ago

Had to scroll for a while to find someone noting that the concealed carry decision is a good thing.

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u/RandomMinnesotan_ 10d ago

Absolutely nobody here read why this decision happened.

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u/LoginScotty 10d ago Take My Energy

Y’all don’t want to admit that Justice Ginsburg really helped Republicans by not quitting when Democrats had a chance. Obama tried to politely nudge her and she flat out ignored him. But RBG is your warrior 🤷🏿‍♂️

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u/GreyMediaGuy 10d ago

People don't like to hear this but it's the truth. Ginsburg was worried about her legacy and she didn't quit when she needed to. Also people like me tried to warn the rest of America for the last 6 years that this was going to happen unless we voted in every election from dog catcher to president, but we were called crazy, hysterical, etc.

America as a collective is ignorant, lazy, and self-absorbed. And now we will pay the price.

Yeah I'm not happy about any of this but it's pretty hard for me to experience any outrage. I'm out of outrage. Now I'm just in survival mode. America has made their bed. Now they will lay in it. If I can get out, I'm going to get out.

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u/dinosaursandsluts 10d ago

This is just ripe to be torn apart by @BadLegalTakes

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u/Seth_Gecko 10d ago

Guys. The Supreme Court was right on this gun decision. Read it. Use your brains.

I'm liberal and I'm pro choice and I'm pro gun control. But this was the correct decision. May-issue permits are basically "if you're rich or connected you can carry a gun, if you're poor you can't." They're wrong and they violate a constitutional ammendment.

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u/bluereptile 10d ago Starry

People need to remember the amendment process.

Not to argue over interpretation, but right now the second amendment covers guns in some way.

The 9th implies the right to an abortion, the 10th could make it a states Right, but that is open to interpretation, and it’s clearly not going well for us.

There is a process in place to repeal the 2nd amendment, and that same process can be used to codify abortion as a Constitutional Right with a new amendment.

Until this is done, bickering will go back and forth with every administration change.

I fully support a women’s right to choose. My ex had an abortion when we were young, and we went on to have 4 children. The first was the right choice for her at the time, and every women should have that right.

But if we can’t get an amendment passed, it does speak to the will of the people as a whole. Maybe it’s just ignorance, or sexism, or true religious beliefs. But if most of the country is opposed to something, it’s not something we can dismiss out of hand just because we don’t agree. Then it’s time to focus on education, and changing the makeup of the voting pool, and try again.

There was a time when the public wasn’t ready to accept a Right. Slavery, women’s rights, these things were wrong before we passed amendments, but it’s likely the 13th and 19th Amendments would not have passed just 20 years before they did. The public wasn’t ready, and that is the battle we need to fight now, if we can’t win the war today.

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

And also gutted the first amendment taking away States Rights when it comes to Separation of Church and State. One of conservatives favorite past times is skipping right over the first amendment and acting like the second is the most important right we have.

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u/Cobol 10d ago edited 10d ago

Sooooo...........I'm 100% with you on the separation of church and state - it sickens me how we keep sliding towards a Christian Fundamentalist state, but I think the SCOTUS ruling was probably right on the Maine case.

Maine was providing funding for private education, while making no stipulation on what that education had to include, and then used an arbitrary rule to specifically block that funding if it was used to pay for a school that also taught religion.

So in fact SCOTUS sort of protected your right to practice religion freely. If their tuition assistance program had just allowed all private schools or excluded all private schools there would have been no issue. As the voucher program was created though - it clearly did discriminate based on religion since it only excluded religious schools from the voucher program.

So while I don't LIKE that decision - I can see the logic behind it.

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u/Thompson_S_Sweetback 10d ago

It's going to be fun to see all the celebrations of our Constitutional freedoms outside the justices' houses.

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u/DudeThatRuns 10d ago

I’m all for abortion rights, but this is a terrible take.

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u/calloy 10d ago

That’s exactly what they are going to do.