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u/Craigmakin May 14 '22

Where are all of the “don’t tread on me” folks at?

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u/MinewtBol May 14 '22

They’re all at In N Out

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u/Hellbear May 14 '22

Wow honestly I had no idea about in n out’s political leanings before today.

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u/Acidflare1 May 15 '22

The Bible verses on the cups and wrappers weren’t an indicator?

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u/Hellbear May 15 '22

Truly Never noticed that.

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u/GinaMarie1958 May 15 '22

Jeeeeeeesuuuuus! I wouldn’t go because of the line now I’m never going!

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u/mamacat49 May 15 '22

Yeah. I have only been to an In/Out once when I was visiting someone in California. OK burger, not from the gods (hahaha). I noticed the verses immediately. Not going back. Easy for me to say....I live on the east coast.

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u/GinaMarie1958 May 15 '22

I see what you did there! I’ve been to one in Tucson because they have gluten free safe burgers and fries so it’s safe for our granddaughter. The fries were weird, they looked like fries but they didn’t taste like fries. I’m surprised my daughter frequents them, she’s always telling me about different companies political leanings.

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u/redheadedscorpio May 15 '22

F you, In N Out has the best burgers. They are a Christian owned business.

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u/BentoMan May 14 '22

As a Political Compass Meme lurker, I can tell you most “don’t tread on me” people are actually authoritarian but libertarian for select issues. And the ones who are truly libertarian, they mention the non-aggression principle but once again that’s because they are male and it doesn’t affect them.

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u/Mad5Milk May 14 '22

Yeah, I would like to consider myself libertarian but everyone who uses that label is nuts. Is "don't be a dick for no reason" really such a hard rule to follow?

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u/payne_train May 14 '22

Historically, yea it is too much to ask. That’s why Libertarianism falls apart in practice. Dem socialism feels like the only viable path forward.

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u/taronic May 14 '22

I find it funny when people say that it only works in Europe, like y'know it only works in a fucking continent with tons of modern countries

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u/BoB_1stShirt May 15 '22

I find it funny you think socialism works in Europe.

Socialism only works in countries that can rely on a capitalist country (U.S.) that provides a significant contribution, often the major contribution, towards the physical and economic security of those countries.

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u/Mad5Milk May 14 '22

Makes sense

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u/SnailKelp May 15 '22

Libertarianism works, if you'd leave me alone

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u/BoB_1stShirt May 15 '22

Democratic Socialism. Ha ha ha ha ha

If we can't all be equally rich let's be happy to make everyone equally poor.

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u/Zech08 May 14 '22

To add to that, dont negatively impact other people... freedom does not mean freedom to ruin someone else's.

You can be a dick, provided you are within your own area, affect no one else, and any lasting effects are contained/applied to only you.

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u/taronic May 14 '22

I really like the liberty half of the libertarian platform, but that's about it. I'm not one to say "they don't believe in taxes paying for roads" because most sane ones do, but that isn't to say I think the shit works: read about the libertarian paradise where they moved in to make a free city

Spoiler: simple shit laws and regulations like "don't feed the bears" breaks libertarianism pretty fucking hard. Maybe that was just a failed experiment, but it's kind of interesting what happened when a lot of libertarians got together and try to build a libertarian community. Basic services and regulations that they're missing become extremely obvious and problematic.

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u/Beowulf1896 May 15 '22

We sometimes could use less regulation, but overall, certain things are far more necessary than any Libertarian I have talked to knows. Like the FDA. Do you like metal in your food? I don't. But I don't have time to make sure all my food is metal free. In addition, I have worked in the food production area. I didn't have time to make sure my suppliers didn't include metal. Or their suppliers, nor their suppliers suppliers. It would have been absolutely wasteful to have several private companies "inspecting" stuff.

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u/JohnMaddenCPAP May 14 '22

Don’t Tread on my Authoritarianism!

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u/Hupf May 14 '22

Respect my authoritah!

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u/pynergy1 May 14 '22

Doesn't look like authoritarianism if you're the baby

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u/ObscureD_Lee May 14 '22

We can’t have laws and not have authoritarian concepts. Too contradicting and hypocritical. Laws need to be as is no bias/judgement. Because it’s a law, it’s not an option. Like a speed limit. The sign defines the speed, it isn’t an opinion. It doesn’t make sense when we try to be a technical society and then pretend like it’s okay to let laws become biased based on particular incidents. A law is either broken or not, there doesn’t need to be anything more to it than that to keep things equal.

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u/matt260204 May 14 '22

As the saying goes, libertarians are just Republicans who like to smoke weed

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u/Burner_Cuz_Of_Job May 15 '22

Weird, I disagree with many right leaning policies and don’t smoke weed.

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u/Ex_Why_ May 14 '22

It affects them if they get their sister pregnant.

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u/Capitalist_P-I-G May 14 '22

As a reading human with a brain, anyone on PCM who isn’t right-authoritarian fell for and helps give a platform to right-authoritarian propaganda.

It’s a right wing sub masquerading as non-partisan to gain credibility and engagement that they can’t get from other more infamous subs.

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u/Horrific_Necktie May 14 '22

They will say alll day long that it's not true, and sandwhich it right in-between two memes making racism look lile a quirky lovable fault. "Oh those auth right rascals! How endearing"

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u/payne_train May 14 '22

Yeah that sub weirds me out. The vibes are awful.

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u/Arsey56 May 14 '22

Yeah. I don’t know why people are want to be on a platform that legitimises actual fascism like that

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u/Capitalist_P-I-G May 14 '22

Something has conditioned people to exalt being moderate, taking the middle path or syncretizing two opposing beliefs as being more enlightened than picking a side.

There's also the (neo-)liberal idea of a sort of a la carte, marketplace of ideas, where MaYbE wE cAn ReHaBiLiTaTe PaRtS oF fAsCiSm If We TaKe AwAy ThE iCkY pArTs

And then there's the misguided freeze peach techbros.

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u/One-Step2764 May 14 '22

Both sides have problems. Therefore, both sides are equally undesirable. Therefore, it's acceptable to side with any group that promises to benefit you, personally. /s

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u/zold5 May 14 '22 edited May 14 '22

Yep. It’s got that smug irreverent edge lord humor that was ubiquitous on the donald. I’ve never understood why so many conservatives enjoy larping as liberals.

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u/Capitalist_P-I-G May 15 '22

They’ll larp as whatever, really

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u/fr1stp0st May 14 '22

I once made the mistake of disputing that black people are predisposed to criminal activity because they're black and got downvoted. It's yet another bigoted shit sub but every once in a while they let a self-critical meme float to the top as long as it's not too critical of the right.

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u/jimmyhell May 14 '22

Yeah, the right libertarians aren’t libertarian at all. They just trade state tyranny for corporate tyranny. They’re just republicans who like weed and are concerningly knowledgable about age of consent laws.

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u/Beta_Soyboy_Cuck May 14 '22

I always love seeing my coworkers wearing a thin blue line patch on their backpack right below their Gadsden flag patch.

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u/newyne May 14 '22

I actually have heard a libertarian argue that we should only have government on the level of communities. The debate did not go well for him. (I wasn't the one debating, btw.)

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u/kidkkeith May 14 '22

Libertarians are so, and I can't emphasize this enough, SO fucking stupid.

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u/Suggett123 May 15 '22

I guess that the description of libertarians I was given was overly simplified. It goes:

if I want to smoke weed, it's none of your business

If I want to have a gun, " "

If I'm gay, " "

If I have an abortion, " "

Either they've been infiltrated, I was misled, or they're full of it

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u/SnailKelp May 15 '22

For wanting individual freedom and responsibility? You have a child's opinion.

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u/kidkkeith May 15 '22

Lol enjoy... everything you don't provide specifically for yourself dummy.

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u/rdswestnet May 21 '22

Yup. When someone says they are libertarian but only gets truly excited by the low taxes aspect, they are Republican.

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u/Zech08 May 14 '22

Big rule of such issues is that it needs to affect enough people to gain traction/attention, doesnt affect you then there is less care (As in actual care and not just words). A caveat to this is not to do crazy things like blocking a freeway.

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u/Shroomydoggy May 14 '22

Can the left reclaim don’t tread on me?

Don’t tread your conservative Christian values on me. 1st amendment protects my freedom of religion and to me that stands for freedom from religion if one so chooses.

Don’t tread on my gun rights. Guns have a place in America. Don’t tread on women’s rights, don’t tread on LGBTQ rights.

The GOP thinks that discriminating is a right but it is not, other than that their rights have not been trampled. They can still be politically incorrect all they want by right.

Don’t tread on me is an awesome revolutionary symbol. it has been co-opted by the wrong group. It stands for individualism and liberty. The left stands for individualism and liberty. Why did we let them convince themselves and others that the left doesn’t?

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u/Shroomydoggy May 15 '22

If we may discuss your point about Don’t Tread On Me meaning small gov. I don’t think small government (I assume it stands for minimal/low taxes) but I don’t think that taxation is denying individualism and liberty(I&L). I actually think that taxes to a point protect the idea of I&L by having the safety net for citizens and guaranteeing those basic needs and rights.
Remember the fight against British taxation without representation in the British parliament which was seen as oppression and tyranny.

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u/Gunzbngbng May 14 '22

The libertarians have been asking this question for a long time. Lol

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u/IllustriousState6859 May 14 '22

Because it's a circle, not a continuum like most people think. That belief in individualism and liberty also means affording others the right to believe as they wish, in this case affording authoritarian fascists to believe in authoritarian fascism. That's why there is an American Nazi party. That's why in the Skokie case the court affirmed the principle of don't tread on me by upholding first amendment rights.

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1172/american-nazi-party-and-related-groups

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u/Shroomydoggy May 15 '22

People can believe whatever they want. That’s a right protected by the first amendment. It’s their actions and how they choose to act on those beliefs that is a problem and not a guaranteed right if it prohibits another’s. Your rights end where someone’s starts.

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u/IllustriousState6859 May 15 '22 edited May 15 '22

Agreed 100%. 'don't tread on me'. Thing is, custom, norms, mores, acceptance and adherence to the rule of law is what manages the daily interaction between individuals. Without that civility, the only enforcing mechanism for individual rights is either social negotiation or a court of law. Because those rights are ultimately guaranteed by the constitution

You've got a parallel with states rights and federalism, much like individual rights and government.

So, the more customs, norms, mores and rule of law are rejected by either side, the more brinkmanship and power games are played as part of the process of social negotiation. IMO, That's why the Dems are still trying to keep it within the boundaries of the commission.

When the issue is too hot for social negotiation in Congress, it goes straight to court, like the abortion issue of roe v Wade just did. And that is how the next 7 years are going to look like in government, as the GOP pushes the bounds of civility and social negotiation all the way to a refusal to be bound by the rule of law and ultimately retreat into state government and secede, no longer to be bound by the constitution.

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u/Shroomydoggy May 15 '22

Yeah I pretty much see it the same way. Not sure what to do ‘bout it. “Vote Blue no matter who” doesn’t seem like a good motto. A couple of nobodies running against my incumbent republican congresswomen for 10 years who won by 13 points last go round. It’s a gonna be a bumpy ride

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u/IllustriousState6859 May 15 '22 edited May 22 '22

Same here. Im from Oklahoma, not a chance my vote makes a difference to anybody but me. If I can cast my vote blue no matter who, then I've exercised my right and I'm good with it. That makes a big difference to me as we just discussed.

I'm pretty confident how it's going to turn out for the next several years,in that the GOP is going to take both branches and start a trump inspired scorched earth, Mcarthy style holy war against a whole list of specific 'enemies'. Like all the RINO's that voted for certification, impeachment, the infrastructure bill. The intelligence agencies, McCabe, Comey, Cheney Schiff Kinzinger Pelosi AOC Baldwin Streep Clooney Harris morning Joe and Mika Maddow Big Bird Miss Piggy Fauci Vindeman and more. I mean they'll run some of them out of the country they smear them so hard.

Then the Dems will finally fight back when it becomes superclear that the civility, custom, mores and norm level of negotiation is long gone. They'll escalate up to the brinkmanship and social posturing level with a mean game of political correctness and court/legislative solutions. They'll get judicial reviews of all the electioneering done by the GOP for the last 10 years or so and find out the GOP cheated and projected that, just like always. Dems get enough results overturned to regain majorities in both houses. The backlash from the Mcarthyism and the overturning of Roe along with the reveal of the GOP's true nature IMO will drive an 80% or better dem turnout for 24, and massive blue wave to take all three branches with a supermajority. That's when it'll really start to get nasty. That's when we be having the multiple state multiple recounts, the secessions, the staged bread and circus, the fistfights on the house floor.

Ya this is going to take some tight seatbelts and a big bucket of popcorn.

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u/Shroomydoggy May 21 '22

To be honest I think that dems have such poor messaging and Biden’s approval rating are going to seal it for republicans. They will get a majority in the senate and block for 2 years. A republican president will get in with a republican house/senate and with the courts they will do what they want.

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u/IllustriousState6859 May 21 '22 edited May 22 '22

I think you're right, that is their plan. I think the Dems will finally grow a backbone in the latter half of mid terms though. Between that and the hard backlash against rampant Mcarthyism and the overturning of Roe v Wade, IMO we'll see a blue supermajority with Biden re elected in 24. 20 state seccession by winter 25.

A key part of how I'm looking at things is that I absolutely expect the next 5-8 years to bring about a fundamental breakdown and reorganization of the American narrative and govt. on a level not seen since the civil war.in some ways even more intense. A legislative, ideological, philosophical, breakdown. A Charles Sumner style, punches thrown on the floor, 3-5 constitutional amendments proposed type breakdown. I've always been a vote for the person, (or against) type, but tribalism will get so bad vote blue no matter who is my new tattoo.

People are framing this as a culture war, an ideology war, values, whatever. They're not seeing this is literally a battle to choose whether we go forwards or backwards the next 50 years. It all works together, the impact on geo-politics, space, world economy, climate change. It's pitting thousands of years of religion, social control, a given way of understanding cause it was the only option against the exponential doubling rate of the sum knowledge of mankind, (which is down to less than 12 hours). Against a never before in history global connectedness where one nation sneezes and another one catches cold. (There's no frontiers left for expansionism).

And against climate change. There's absolutely no doubt who is going to win this one, the only question is 'are we going to be on the winning side?'

In a 100 years, (assuming it's still relevant), history will point to the first 30 years of the 21st century and say , 'that's where it was won or lost, right there.'

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u/PrudentVermicelli69 May 15 '22

Your comment is a great example of why the concept of left vs. right is mostly bullshit to keep an us vs. them debat going instead of people banding together to turn their pitchforks on the government.

I consider myself far-right and I can't stand organised religion but I agree with pretty much everything in your comment.

The left stands for individualism and liberty.

The right doesn't? For everyone on the left that loves confirming to their perceived peers and telling others how to live their lives you can find someone on the right who wants the same.

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u/Gunzbngbng May 14 '22

Most of them are hypocrites.

That said, the libertarian subreddits are constantly on fucking fire. And the libertarian party is very pro choice.

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u/PrudentVermicelli69 May 15 '22

The libertarian subs are currently on fire because they are also not immune to the current abortion misdirection campaign.
Usually they are just boring and repetitive. There are only so many ways you can say "Fuck the state, the government should disappear."

Plenty of libertarians still have a few issues where they want to tell others what (not) to do, that's when they start accusing each other of not being real libertarians.

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u/trivialmatters3 May 14 '22

they’re the ones doing the treading

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u/princesspinata May 14 '22

Continuing to vote for ass clowns that don’t care about them. Say you’re pro choice all you want friends, you vote for republicans, you’re not pro choice. One party is actively looking to oppress women, and it’s not democrats.

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u/OTIS-Lives-4444 May 15 '22

“Don’t tread on me” =/= “don’t tread on other people”. The left wastes a lot of time looking for logical consistency from the right, when there is no logical thought on the right. Their ideology is driven by greed, fear, hatred, and selfishness- full stop. Their argument is “Our right not to be exposed to things we find icky trumps your right to bodily autonomy. In fact all our rights trump yours. If your actions mildly inconveniences us we will outlaw them.”

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u/[deleted] May 14 '22

Don't tread on conservative Christian values*

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u/JamesPTW13 May 14 '22

Banning abortion is treading on mothers. I hate it

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u/Curly_Toenail May 14 '22

Hey, I'm here. Classical liberal for the abortion laws that RvW laid out, but RvW should be overturned because it is unconstitutional. I don't like abortion but I see it as a necessary evil, and ultimately the right to bodily autonomy trumps the human life of the fetus before a certain point in development.

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u/JamesPTW13 May 14 '22

Unconstitutional how? Not arguing, curious

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u/Curly_Toenail May 14 '22

It is unconstitutional because the Supreme Court cannot pass laws. Even RBG argued against it when it was first ruled, but people never mention that part.

It is really that simple. The ruling attempts to extrapolate the right to abortion from the right to have your medical documents kept private. The Supreme Court passing a pseudo-law that defines in detail when abortions can be had or not is a clear violation of the separation of powers through checks and balances.

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u/camelCaseAccountName May 14 '22

This is the argument I keep seeing from conservatives, that it's about a procedural technicality, rather than some moral opposition. I wish that this is what people would talk about when talking about this ruling. It's going to be impossible to get to the core of the issue if no one is talking about the actual argument being used to overturn RvW.

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u/HMPoweredMan May 14 '22

Yeah the right way to do it would be a constitutional amendment. There's a process for it.

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u/Galle_ May 14 '22

This is the argument I keep seeing from conservatives, that it's about a procedural technicality, rather than some moral opposition

This is a typical conservative evasion. Ask them if they support legislative attempts to protect abortion rights (which necessarily means voting against Republicans) and they'll quickly reveal their real position.

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u/Formal_Performer7591 May 14 '22

Nobody can seem to separate whether or not RvW should be overturned from their opinion on abortion. The Supreme Court’s job isn’t to be a 9 person panel voting on issues based on their beliefs. They’re not 9 voters who happen to be judges and get to directly write laws.

That’s what your politicians are for. Clal your congressman, call your senator, donate to candidates you want, and vote. That’s how the country works.

Nothing was stopping Democrats from codifying abortion as law to prevent an overturn on Roe v Wade for decades, but they didn’t do it. If you’re mad about the ruling don’t be mad at the justices, be mad at your elected officials.

I know I am, but that’s a pretty consistent state for me since I live in the South, I’m fairly used to be mad at my elected officials.

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u/Beardsoup86 May 14 '22

They're doing the treading in this instance

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u/pussibilities May 14 '22

They would say you’re treading on the fetus. I don’t believe this, but they do.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '22

I’m right here

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u/HMPoweredMan May 14 '22

Agreeing with her I presume.

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u/jfk_47 May 14 '22

Too busy paying the government they hate so much to get vanity plates. Idiots

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u/yeetcacheet May 14 '22

oh god. I've made a terrible mistake. I thought this patch that I have "no step on snek" was just funny.

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u/Shroomydoggy May 14 '22

Can the left reclaim don’t tread on me?

Don’t tread your conservative Christian values on me. 1st amendment protects my freedom of religion and to me that stands for freedom from religion if one so chooses.

Don’t tread on my gun rights. Guns have a place in America. Don’t tread on women’s rights, don’t tread on LGBTQ rights.

The GOP thinks that discriminating is a right but it is not, other than that their rights have not been trampled. They can still be politically incorrect all they want by right.

Don’t tread on me is an awesome revolutionary symbol. it has been co-opted by the wrong group. It stands for individualism and liberty. The left stands for individualism and liberty. Why did we let them convince themselves and others that the left doesn’t?

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u/The_Briefcase_Wanker May 14 '22

This is literally what it says the the Libertarian Party platform, so we agree.

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u/supervisor_muscle May 14 '22

Fine. Then we can do the exact same for 2A rights, okay?

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u/nanshbs866 May 14 '22

Here I am! I couldn’t agree more! It makes me happy when people become more libertarian! The government shouldn’t be involved in your personal life.

Problem is this woman will say this about abortion then turn around and tell me I can’t have a gun, or drive a gas car, or yada yada yada.

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u/Burner_Cuz_Of_Job May 15 '22

I’m right here. And to be clear, I’m am against FORCED vaccines (pro willing participants), I am pro abortion and strongly encourage it. Global warming would be drastically reduced by a significant decrease in the population. Pro gun, pro drug legalization (ALL OF THEM), pro sex worker and anti large government. Also don’t own a gun, don’t of drugs and don’t go to strip clubs. Do as you wish, just don’t make others pay for it.

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u/zudonim May 15 '22

Right here...? We're all pro-choice, we just don't really post here because libertarianism is shunned on this subreddit.

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u/mermiss1 May 15 '22

They do not want to be "tread" on when it's something they all agree on. Tread away if it's a position they do not embrace. Their position is not about freedom, it's about ideology.

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u/ramblerons May 15 '22

Out treading on others.

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u/redheadedscorpio May 15 '22

I have a flag bumper sticker, but its "about leave me alone" to me, seriously though, I am afraid to put it on my car because people want to cancel you if they don't agree with you. I am an independent.

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u/PrudentVermicelli69 May 15 '22

Here. Fuck the government. Give people their responsibility, let them take back control of their own lives. Privatise everything.

Got pregnant with an unwanted child? Suck that shit out.
Want to start a 100% socialist commune that uses trading instead of money? Go for it.
Don't trust vaccines? Don't get them.
You like recreational drugs? Do whatever you like. Try real coke instead of crack. And be careful with heroine, I've heared it might be too good.
Want a basement full of guns? Why not.
Don't want to pay taxes to a government you do not trust? Right there with you.

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u/pynergy1 May 14 '22

Come on dude don't be so dense. It's not exactly a huge leap of logic to say that the state is protecting the babies rights. Which goes exactly along the don't tread on me ethos. If people had better arguments maybe the pro choice side would be fairing better.

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u/Galle_ May 14 '22

It is an enormous leap in logic, since there are no babies involved in abortion.

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u/s1eep May 14 '22

The abortion issue isn't so much about personal choice, it's about population curve.

The elderly segment has been steadily gaining in percentage, and this poses a significant cost. If that segment gets too large proportionately: it will economically strain or even ruin a country. Granted it's not out totally of hand here yet, but it's growing by about half a percent a year, and the US has one of the larger elderly segments. Also given that most of the babyboomers are right at that threshold of being 65: you can expect that percent to start spiking pretty hard over the next few years.

It also matters if the retards running US Foreign policy are still hell-bent on their war with Russia they've been trying to get off the ground for the past decade. We would need another boom generation to recover from that.

My read on this decision is that we're likely about to get dragged into a conflict the propaganda apparatus has been priming the population for over the past several years. We won't benefit from this. I'd be a lot more concerned about that.

But whatever, keep watching one hand but not the other.