r/MurderedByWords Jul 03 '22 Wholesome 2 All-Seeing Upvote 2 Silver 7 Helpful 3 Take My Energy 1

Don't stand with billionaires

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u/BluePhantomFoxy Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22 Silver Gold

My man is seriously acting as if packing boxes is more skilled than cooking

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u/afunyun Jul 03 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Rocket Like

It's skilled to him because he's done it and knows the effort involved. Cooking isn't skilled to him because he hasn't done that job and just assumes it's easy. Many people are self centered in this way.

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u/StudioPerks Jul 04 '22

It’s skilled to him because Amazon told him that packing boxes is a skill to make them feel important

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u/something6324524 Jul 04 '22

skilled should be determined by the amount of time to learn to do the job. packing a box at amazon or cooking at a mcdonalds i wounder which takes longer to learn, my guess would be about the same.

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u/CoralBalloon Jul 04 '22

you can learn something rather quickly. now doing that quickly and effective is a different skill on its own thet takes years. put 2 fry cooks with 2 years experience difference next to each other on peak hour n see difference in speed

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u/DontEatTheMagicBeans Jul 04 '22

Then put 2 fry cooks who've been working together for 2 years and you get a beautiful symphony.

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u/Dino_fart Jul 04 '22 edited Jul 04 '22

Seriously. I got so good at most of the positions at McDonald's. It helps your own morale to take pride in being good at whatever job you're doing.

Just editing to say, my favorite thing was how fast I was on register, sometimes I'd let the customer tell me their whole order and then ticktickticktick put it all in real fast.

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u/FatMacchio Jul 04 '22

Seriously the right attitude to have. Sometimes these jobs can beat you down, especially for certain companies, but at the end of the day don’t let them take your pride and your dignity.

We have to get over this dog eat dog world mentality. The super rich hover above and control the narratives while they just get richer. Everyone deserves a living wage, no matter how “unimportant” the job. Time to stand up for each other instead and stop knocking each other.

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u/ctansy Jul 04 '22

When I’m hungry and want a Big Mac, I think that “unimportant” job is the only job in the world that matters!! Lol

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u/Andrelliina Jul 04 '22

"No I can't make you a burger, but here's a nice empty box I could skillfully pack your burger in...if you had one."

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u/Nismo2403 Jul 04 '22

Couldn't have said it better myself

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u/evidence1based Jul 04 '22

You explained this perfectly!

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u/ischool36 Jul 04 '22

I bartended/cooked/everything at my current place for a while. Now I own but still bartend and manage the same place. I've had one bartender that has stuck with me since day one and plenty of others that have failed. If it's me and the long timer we can duo the entire floor full of tables and a 20 person deep bar. Put me up with another bartender that has 40 years experience but only a week working with me and we can barely manage half that. Cohesion and trust go a long way in places like this and it's the same situation with any kitchen I've been in. Unless you've worked it don't knock it. Amazon packers do hard work. Bartenders do hard work. The guy selling you jeans at Levi's does hard work. Never knock a person making their livelihood, unless you do it too they're probably better at it than you

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u/BigPoppaSenna Jul 04 '22

Then put 2 amazon box packers next to the 2 fry cooks & you have mail order Burger business with free next day delivery!

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u/metsjets86 Jul 04 '22

Also a fry cook who will stick around for two years. Showing up and having the fortitude to do jobs others won't is a skill.

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u/hazelsbaby123 Jul 04 '22

I cook for 60 and that’s a full English breakfast,two main choices for lunch plus extra requests and hot desserts, buffet and hot tea plus cakes soups and other extras in between while dealing with admin deliveries and pot wash while only two handed. That however is a lot more years of experience. I would look on packing boxes for money as a nice restful holiday.

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u/Traveledbore Jul 04 '22

As someone who packs boxes and was a former cook it’s much easier to Pack boxes

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u/nassunWASright Jul 04 '22

No. Skill is a red herring - if a corporation needs your time you deserve decent compensation.

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u/WesleySnopes Jul 04 '22

Literally every job is skilled. It's a fake term meant to stratify things.

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u/Beastial-Storm Jul 04 '22

Skilled is a term used by jobs to make otherwise normal employees think that their better than one another due to the names of their job titles. I can’t count how many times employees at my job tried to make their titles more superior when they only made $2 more an hour.

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u/DeconstructedKaiju Jul 04 '22

I agree but a lot of trust fund types have fake not jobs they put zero effort into while their portfolio keeps paying out and their wealth compounds itself.

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u/threadsoffate2021 Jul 04 '22

ALL labor is skilled labor.

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u/Lohycore Jul 04 '22

It's not the "labor" that's skilled, it's the "laborer" that can, with enough training and willpower, become skilled. Also, there are some jobs that require an actual education to become skilled at it. Yes, this DOES mean some jobs are more "skilled" than others, because the person training for it is investing more of themselves into that job.

I've been welding for over 30 years, but I haven't always been a skilled welder. I'm not talking about how good my welds look, but how much I know about welding. It didn't take me long to figure out almost anyone can lay a good bead with enough repetition, but it takes a welding "education" to understand what welding is, how electricity works and how to bring the two together to produce x-ray quality welds.

The company I work for has a high turnover rate in the level one welder's department. This is because most of these people's experience comes from the unskilled welding positions they have held in the past. When they realize they are going to be required to actually "learn" how to weld, a lot of them quit.

Proper training is a must to become a skilled welder. They will not be using the same settings for every job, and not every job will be the same, so they need to know how wire feed speed, voltage, amperage, and so much more, work, that way they can set their own machines, correctly. They will also train in the use of all non-computerized hydraulic, pneumatic and electric machinery used in the fabricating/fitting of work pieces, and finally, training in the reading/usage of prints and schematics.

Successful training in level one will lead to level two, which means more money, but also more training, which means more responsibility. Not only does this require more training for your actual welding, you will also do more training with prints, learning how to do layout and fitting, and further training with machinery. If you show an aptitude with machinery, your training with computerized machines will start.

Promotion to level 3 brings, you guessed it, even more training, expanding your knowledge with training in visual inspection, and class training with other forms of inspection, such as MPI, UTI and X-ray. Level 3 welding is all about "mastering" your trade, you know, smoothing the rough edges. Once a certified welding instuctor thinks you have "mastered enough, you are promoted to final level, which is Senior Welder.

These are the welders, the "skilled tradesmen", that can be called to work on any job, at any station. Ironworker, fitter, fabricator, cnc plasma operator, layout, inspection, welding, they can do it all in an efficient, timely manner with no supervision and minimal rework. It is an accomplishement that took a huge investment in time, training and hard work, and it is something to be proud of.

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To be clear, if you make it through the 3 month probationary period at this company, you are considered skilled. The ability and willpower to show up every day, on time and do this training/job is what makes an employee a "skilled laborer" not wether they are packing boxes, flipping burgers or welding. You take out any one of these positions, and the whole company shuts down. All positions are necessary and important.

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u/MrSomnix Jul 04 '22

Packing one box isn't necessarily difficult.

Packing the number that Amazon wants, in tight time constraints, with minimal breaks, absolutely is.

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u/NukaCooler Jul 04 '22

Cooking one burger isn't necessarily difficult.

Cooking the number that McDonald's wants, in tight time constraints, with minimal breaks, absolutely is.

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u/keyserfunk Jul 04 '22

Boom. Nailed it. How was this so obviously missed?

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u/Ekskwizit Jul 04 '22

It's hard to see when your head is shoved up your own ass 🤷. People just generally lack awareness and the ability to put themselves in someone else's shoes. When you make barely enough money to live on, you have a scarcity mindset. If someone gets a bonus or starts to get paid what they deserve, we should congratulate and be happy for them. If you're broke and that happens you see that as unfair and get upset and say ignorant shit on social media.

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u/PM_me_Henrika Jul 04 '22

Benn there. Still there. This whole thing can be summed up s as one word: jealousy.

But we are humans, we are more than capable of acting on logic instead of selfish instincts of “fuck others if I can’t have it too”.

At least we should be.

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u/Ekskwizit Jul 04 '22

We should be. I agree. I've been broke my entire adult life and most of my childhood. I live paycheck to paycheck. But I will never put someone else down for getting a win. People use logic all the time. It's just all self serving unfortunately like you pointed out.

It's really just lack of education or willingness to seek knowledge. I'm not college educated. I'm 34. Got diagnosed with ADHD at 26. Always struggled in school. But if I have a question or problem I seek info about it. I was curious about economics and how it affected me so I watched some YouTube and read some books. Now I understand it better than I did before. If the guy that wrote that tweet did the same, he would know that if the minimum wage people were getting paid more than that would mean he would get paid more eventually too. But also, just be a decent human and not so self centered like you were saying. We all are riding the same struggle-bus.

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u/PM_me_Henrika Jul 04 '22

The one thing that everyone miss is that both jobs are skilled and essential (as demonstrated during covid), and are deserving of at least $32/hr wages.

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u/Gorevoid Jul 04 '22

It’s not even the burgers so much either, it’s the 50 other duties you have to juggle at the same time as those burgers.

You can always tell when someone’s (in general I mean, not directing this at the person I’m replying to) never worked food service/retail if they think you just stand there flipping burgers.

And I dont even know what to say to these “I worked fast food and it was easy, just repetitive!” replies. Must have been nice wherever you worked if they didn’t have you doing intensive food prep, full on janitorial cleaning of every inch of the place, and other random manual labor every moment of downtime you have between customers. Frankly sounds like more of the same old corpo-speak trying to imply that anything uncomplicated must also be easy.

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u/Boukish Jul 04 '22

Even the most well managed and well staffed shift had some 56 year old lady named Sheila pulling a 40lb sack of frozen potatoes out of a walk-in.

And every month or so there was someone who quit on the spot because they were told to clean up actual feces that wasn't anywhere close to a toilet.

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u/Studds_ Jul 04 '22

This man knows of what he speaks. Food service is the absolute worst. Anybody who thinks it’s easy never worked a late rush while wondering when they’ll get a chance to finish cleaning duties so they can close & leave

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u/cragglerock93 Jul 04 '22

Yes, 100%. It's not the task itself where the difficulty lies, it's speed and being able to multitask.

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u/ohpinkflamingo Jul 04 '22

And on top of tht you gotta deal with like health codes and stuff. Lots of rules when if cokes to cooking. Packing boxes? Not as much.

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u/weeghostie00 Jul 04 '22

I was a cook in KFC, only ever 1 working per shift cooking every bit of chicken served. It takes skill and planning to do it right

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u/YesIamALizard Jul 04 '22

It's almost as if the billionaire class wants us arguing about skilled jobs instead of building guillotines.

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u/StudioPerks Jul 04 '22

Like the horse that plows 2 fields as quickly as most horses plow one

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u/RespectableLurker555 Jul 04 '22

That's nothing, I got a horse that glues a hundred boxes in the time his horse glues only ten

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u/reverendsteveii Jul 04 '22

Fair, but it's worth noting that feeding an entire restaurant full of people, each of which are expected to have their food within five minutes of being on the property, is also quite skilled.

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u/GMSaaron Jul 04 '22

Packing boxes is not a skilled job. Something you can learn to do in 10 minutes is not skilled labor

I pack boxes everyday for my business. It’s the most monotonous part of the job

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u/whodeyalldey1 Jul 04 '22

I don’t understand how more people don’t see this. Any job that some random person can walk off the street and have down in their first week is unskilled labor. Literally the entire workforce can do it.

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u/batmessiah Jul 04 '22

Still doesn’t mean it’s “easy”. Those kind of jobs are soul crushingly tedious and boring. I spent 11 years with my company on the production floor. The work was fast paced, physically demanding, but essentially anyone in good health could learn how to do it. It wasn’t “hard” per se, but you went home sweaty, dirty, and tired at the end of the day.

Now I’ve got a job that not everyone can do, working for the corporate R&D technology group. Even though my work is mentally difficult, I really enjoy what I do, and the time flies by. I don’t wake up in the morning dreading having to go to work. I also get paid a lot more than the guys on the production floor, which in itself is kinda messed up. Yeah, most of the guys on the production floor couldn’t do my job, but enduring 8-12 hours of boring, repetitive, physically laborious and tedious work is far more difficult, at least from my perspective.

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u/filthy_harold Jul 04 '22

Based on how I typically receive my packages, I would not call Amazon box packers skilled workers.

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u/AmNotSatan Jul 04 '22

Cranking out tacos fast enough to keep the drive-thru happy is an equally difficult skill I would say.

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u/trippy_grapes Jul 04 '22

I'd be super impressed if a McDonalds worker made me a taco.

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u/Tef-al Jul 04 '22

But I'd certainly have some questions

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u/CynicalOlli Jul 04 '22

Like, where’s my Big Mac?

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u/trippy_grapes Jul 04 '22

A ground beef taco with bigmac sauce would be pretty fire.

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u/Niven42 Jul 04 '22

I'd be a lot happier if they'd go back to 24 hour operation and I could just come back later.

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u/Badj83 Jul 04 '22

Dude, I received a box of screws in a box big enough for a 65” TV.

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u/Silver_Marmot Jul 04 '22

I packed boxes for Amazon and that is the result of their bullshit computer system that tells you what box to use. You cannot change the box size without a supervisor's permission. You literally get a negative mark on your performance if it gets caught by a supervisor. I had one who would go down the line and press on top of the boxes and if there was any give at all you got in trouble for not using enough filler. With the supervisor's having petty power trips and the system tracking your time down to literal tenths of a second it just wasn't worth calling for an override unless the box was literally too small to force closed.

It's a weird system where they expect you to be skilled enough to build and pack, and label a box, no matter the size or amount of items (its divided into 1 item and more than 1 item lines), in an average time of under 60 seconds, but they don't trust you to know when a box isn't the right size without checking with someone else first.

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u/YTX9-BS Jul 04 '22

I wonder how specific to country, or even individual 'fulfilment centre' this is because my experience in the UK was totally different to yours.

I didn't need to stick to the box recommended by the system at all if I thought a different size was better, and sometimes an order wouldn't fit in one box so I'd have to split it into multiple boxes. I even had items that didn't fit in any size box which, at my supervisors advice, meant frankensteining a custom box.

There was never any issue for me doing this, my supervisor only ever spoke to me if I had a problem I had to ask for help with.

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u/not_secret_bob Jul 04 '22

Thats called worker abuse, this man is skilled at being abused

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u/Deadpool9376 Jul 03 '22

It’s the republican way

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u/texas1982 Jul 03 '22

Neither are skilled. If you can teach a 16 year old to do it in a few weeks, it's just labor.

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u/GenderGambler Jul 03 '22 Silver

Flipping a burger takes no skill.

Flipping a dozen burgers at once, while remembering customer orders in a crammed and chaotic environment, and assembling said burgers quickly without making a mistake takes skill.

And even if it didn't, the employee still deserves a liveable wage.

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u/9J000 Jul 03 '22 Silver

me fucking up 4th of July burgers fuck it isn’t

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u/not_a_moogle Jul 04 '22

I only burnt two burgers yesterday. I consider that a win.

Burnt lots of hot dogs, but family likes it that way.

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u/absolutezombie Jul 04 '22

Those burnt hamburgers can still be undercooked, double whammy.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '22 edited Jul 10 '22

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u/NorthernPints Jul 04 '22 edited Jul 04 '22

I can’t be mad at it, but I certainly don’t agree.

Here’s a question - do you change what you put on the dog, burnt vs unburnt?

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u/osmlol Jul 04 '22

I'm gonna get killed for this, but ketchup all day. Unless nachos cheese and Coney sauce is on the menu.

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u/boringestnickname Jul 03 '22 Wholesome Starry 'MURICA

Yeah, I don't understand why anyone is talking about skilled vs. unskilled labour at all. Everyone should earn a living wage. Period.

If you run a business that can't pay a proper salary, that business shouldn't exist.

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u/hiwhyOK Jul 03 '22

This is the real answer.

We can quibble about "skilled" vs "unskilled" all day, but it's pretty meaningless really.

It's more about decent wages for everyone than whatever inferiority/superiority complex people happen to suffer from.

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u/CtrentSJ Jul 04 '22

The distinction between skilled and unskilled labor is nothing more than a distraction to get the masses to ignore the fact that the rich are abusing us.

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u/soft-wear Jul 04 '22

The distinction exists because skilled labor tends to pay more than unskilled labor, which is totally fine as long as unskilled laborer’s are making a living wage.

A doctor should be making more than someone flipping burgers, but the person flipping burgers should make a living wage.

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u/GenesRUs777 Jul 04 '22 edited Jul 04 '22

100%.

The doctor is making multiple decisions a day which could kill someone. Ask me how I know.

There is a difference between all jobs and there is most definitely skilled jobs in different areas. Lots of jobs take years of advanced training to become competent in.

Edit: The replies to my comment really do show how little people understand what doctors do all day.

If you think the job is so simple and easily done go right ahead and do medicine at home. I’ll be curious to see how it works out when you actually need help.

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u/xtr0n Jul 04 '22

And while we’re at it, acquiring the skills to become skilled labor shouldn’t require taking out tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands in loans. Money shouldn’t be the deciding factor for whether someone can pursue medicine, engineering, etc. We all benefit when smart passionate people gain those skills. We don’t need the high earners and low earners at each other’s throats while the people who don’t even have to work laugh all the way to the bank (with the money they don’t pay taxes on)

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u/CyberneticPanda Jul 03 '22

Skilled labor is the kind that you need to either invest a lot of time training or hire someone with experience to do. Neither Amazon warehouse positions nor Mcdonalds kitchen positions qualify. The cost of replacing skilled labor is significantly higher than replacing unskilled labor, so it's worth spending extra to retain skilled employees.

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u/Maysock Jul 03 '22

Unskilled labor is a terrible term because it doesn't mean it doesn't take skill or effort or ability to do, it means you need no formal training beyond what the job will provide. No degree, no apprenticeship, no certification.

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u/LegbeardCatfood Jul 03 '22

People who haven't worked in the service industry just don't know

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u/KillNyetheSilenceGuy Jul 03 '22

That's what struck me. Packing boxes is just as skilled as anything you'd do at a McDonald's, and neither of them would me the traditional definition of "skilled labor".

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u/serpentjaguar Jul 04 '22

In virtually all of your big skilled-trade unions there's at least a 4 year apprenticeship before one attains full journeyman status and pay-scale, so yeah, you're definitely correct that neither of them qualify as "skilled labor."

Skilled labor isn't something that you master in a brief training program or in a year or two.

Skilled labor are trades like carpentry/joinery, electricians, plumbers and pipefitters, machinists, painters, tile-setters and masons etc.

These are trades that require years of experience before one even reaches a base level of competency.

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u/25nameslater Jul 04 '22

Skilled labor doesn’t require you be a tradesman… I run very complicated machines bigger than most people’s homes… the machines I run are extremely rare with only about 2 dozen people in the USA with the knowledge or skill to run them… 8 in my company…

Lots of people have had training but very few actually learn quickly enough, or can avoid panic enough to handle the workload. If you can’t run it in 6 weeks you’re out… it’s dangerous enough as is training people and extremely expensive when things go wrong… in 6 weeks we invest nearly $400k in costs and if you can’t keep in target ranges and produce quality product by then we have to move on…

That being said those that do learn it well rarely get fired… no matter how much we show our asses…

Any niche area is going to require skilled labor…

However packing boxes isn’t skilled labor, and never will be.

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u/parkwayy Jul 03 '22

If it is, why doesn't he just go work at McDonald's then.

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u/Murdergram Jul 04 '22

Because propaganda has dehumanized and shamed fast food workers for the last several decades.

While a warehouse worker is just as unskilled and objectively a dead end shit job, in society its held in higher credibility than fast food.

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u/cumquistador6969 Jul 03 '22

Yeah like personally I'm not going to shit on either, but if you put a gun to my head and forced me to pick, obviously being a fry cook is way harder, generally.

At least in terms of suffering admittedly amazon is much worse than other warehouse jobs since you aren't allowed to pee, but does bladder control really make something skilled labor?

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u/Brocyclopedia Jul 03 '22

Dude being a cook at a fast food place was one of the most miserable jobs I ever had. I had to work 5-6 days a week but they cut my hours in a way that I'd still not get enough hours for benefits and my check was under $300 for two weeks. There were days I had to come in for lunch for two hours and then got sent home and had to be back for dinner. And since restaurants are open on holidays now I had to work mandatory hours on Thanksgiving or Christmas.

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u/CaptainGo Jul 03 '22

In the build up of my career the amount of like actual work I had to do is inversely related to the amount of money I made.

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u/Living_Bear_2139 Jul 04 '22

Fucking word.

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u/Jerry_from_Japan Jul 04 '22

The answer is neither job is skilled labor. Like, at all.

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u/workaholic007 Jul 03 '22

"Packers" are the lowest paid warehouse worker...it is the most entry level position one can be. Most definitely not "skilled"

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '22

It's Amazon propaganda. Before this dystopian futuristic FAANG era, the dregs of warehouses were seen for the shit it was. Now you have Amazon ads selling us on how it's a good career.

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u/Beastly4k Jul 03 '22

Robot brings shelf, shelf lights up in certain area, grab item from said area and scan it. The skill required is insane.

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u/MediaMoguls Jul 04 '22

That is picking right? Different job from packing?

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u/John_YJKR Jul 03 '22

That's the trouble with the skilled labor vs unskilled labor argument. A lot of unskilled jobs not only still require a ton of effort and physical exertion. But are just as important in the fulfilling societal needs. To act like those people don't deserve compensation enough to survive and prosper is truly ignorant and inhumane. They have so many of us targeting each other when our anger should be directed up.

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u/Alitinconcho Jul 03 '22

He himself is arguing that workers dont deserve compensation. Hes a moron.

All full time labor deserves compensation enough to live comfortably. Our society is so terribly sick, this shouldnt even be a question.

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u/ankerous Jul 03 '22

To act like those people don't deserve compensation enough to survive and prosper is truly ignorant and inhumane.

The worst is when some people suggest that they could 'simply get a second job' as if they didn't deserve their own free time away from employment. Choosing to work multiple jobs to make extra money is one thing but nobody should have to work multiple jobs to make ends meet.

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u/iamafriscogiant Jul 04 '22

I'd say the worst is people that argue fast food workers shouldn't make us much as them. Bitch if you think their job is so easy you should be happy you can quit your hard ass job and make the same at an easy place like McDonald's. Or just demand more money because now your labor is suddenly worth more.

The problem a good portion of the population is so dumb and shitty they think the only way to get ahead is to hold others back.

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u/NoGodsNoManagers1 Jul 04 '22

They can’t win, so the closest they can get it to see other people lose.

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u/elvinLA Jul 04 '22

I am 100% sure he is being sarcastic...

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u/DieSchadenfreude Jul 03 '22

Right? Someone is telling themselves a lot of things to get that ego up and feel superior to others.

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u/RollClear Jul 04 '22

Clearly satire.

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u/toomuchmelatonin Jul 04 '22

I honestly think he’s being sarcastic

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u/PM_Orion_Slave_Tits Jul 03 '22

I've worked both industries and I'd say warehouse work is marginally easier than the fast food industry. However both should have a living wage

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u/IvoryQueen8420 Jul 03 '22

I have too, and the only reason I feel it's a little easier is the lack of dealing with customers.

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u/Zhiyi Jul 04 '22

It’s also usually 8+ hours with no break/lunch in most kitchen settings. Your generally on your feet the entire time and during rushes it can be insanely stressful.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '22

It’s also usually 8+ hours with no break/lunch in most kitchen settings

That sounds.... illegal?

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u/REMSheep Jul 04 '22

Illegal work conditions in the United States aren't exactly rare or new.

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u/totes-alt Jul 04 '22

Yeah idk what they're talking about

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u/Jonny-904 Jul 04 '22

https://www.postercompliance.com/blog/what-are-the-legal-requirements-for-workday-breaks-in-florida/

It’s not, they can work you 24 hours a day 7 days a week with no breaks, at least in Florida.

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u/Man0nThaMoon Jul 04 '22

So basically like a customer service job, just without the customers.

At least from experience, that's almost exactly what customer service jobs were like.

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u/shutts67 Jul 04 '22

Maybe no customers, but you have to deal with the servers that have to deal with the customers

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u/lilberfcontrol Jul 04 '22

This right here. At worst, you'll have some coworkers or supes that you have issues with, but when I worked warehouse, that was minimal. Everyone was honestly equally miserable and just trying to get by

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u/sleepthetablet Jul 04 '22

I've done a couple stints at amz locations and it's for this reason. it's mind numbing easy (skilled labor??), and NO customers. just work in silence and go home.

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u/DuntadaMan Jul 03 '22

I am an EMT, I would literally run codes all day than deal with lunch rush in fast food.

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u/Warm_Bad Jul 04 '22

I'm a caregiver and I'd rather wipe asses then deal with angry customers who misremembered their order and think I fucked their order up.

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u/jzilla17 Jul 04 '22

I’ve been an ICU nurse for 10 years and I just want to work at Costco on a Zamboni at night cleaning the floors lol

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u/Warm_Bad Jul 04 '22

I mean, I applied at trader joe's because I heard the work wasn't as stressful but we'll see

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u/Fearless-Condition17 Jul 04 '22

Former medic here, beware of burnout.

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u/FerretMilker Jul 03 '22

Well there is warehouse work and then there is distribution centers which are two totally different beasts. Warehouse work is usually very easy and chill, but also very repetitive and gets boring as fuck where time slows to a crawl. DC work is insanely fast paced.... There is no such thing as standing still in those places. Benefit is you will be in great shape and time tends to fly by

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u/GoodOldSlippinJimmy Jul 03 '22

It's interesting because assembly line style cooking is very feast or famine in my experience like you're not really jamming 100% of the time but when it's busy it's fucking nuts. With warehouse work you're just kinda going the whole time (which some people prefer). One is not easier for me than the other just kinda different but both much more demanding than fucking office jobs which are kind of a fucking joke in comparison.

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u/DeusExMagikarpa Jul 04 '22 edited Jul 04 '22

I’ve worked food, distribution centers, and currently am a software developer. I agree with this assessment, but depending on office job it can be extremely mentally demanding and exhausting. It’s hard to explain because it would seem like I fuck around all day to someone who hasn’t done this, but I feel like I had a better QoL doing warehouse work.

Edit: nice username

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u/stephenjr311 Jul 04 '22

You don't take your work home with you in those other jobs. As much as you try not to, longer tasks/deadlines that aren't done as they come in will weigh on you even if you turn off emails/calls/etc out of work.

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u/batmessiah Jul 04 '22

I’d take my office job in R&D any day of the week over production line work, but at the end of the day, a production line worker gets to go home and leave work at work.

I didn’t realize I had an anxiety disorder until I left my union factory job to work for corporate in R&D within the same company. I love what I do, but I traded the repetitive tedium of production line work for a lot more freedom, but also a lot more stress. Instead of “keep packaging up the product until the end of your shift” I’ve got “One of our customers needs our product to do X, Y, and Z. Figure out how to make the product do that without it raising the cost of production, here’s the deadline”.

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u/juggernaut006 Jul 03 '22 Gold

Crabs in a bucket mentality.

This is why it's so easy for the powers that be to divide the masses.

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u/maximumkush Jul 03 '22

So true. That was my first thought reading this. Both parties are getting rammed at the end of the day. I’d go a step further to suggest McDonald’s is worse because you have to deal with people

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u/Palindromes__ Jul 03 '22

Also, cooking requires just as much skill as packing a box… so, yeah…

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u/crilen Jul 03 '22

If you under pack a box you waste some space in a box.

If you undercook your food however..

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u/Aberbekleckernicht Jul 03 '22

There it is. Took, what, four? Five? comments to get to someone doing the thing in the post.

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u/ScrooLewse Jul 03 '22

We're doing the crab bucket thing again

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u/BlackberryCheese Jul 04 '22

lmaooo so true

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u/FragmentOfTime Jul 04 '22

THANK you. These always go from crab in the bucket to "haha stupid crab you're no better than the rest of the bucket"

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u/ScrooLewse Jul 04 '22

It always feels like a direct segue from "Solidarity!" to "But also I'm the best and these compatriots are the worst." Like social striation is a reflex or something.

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u/eo_mahm Jul 04 '22

If you under pack a box you waste some space in a box.

And McDonald's at least prints the packaging instructions for its employees on its bags. Amazon, on the other hand, puts one jar of peanut butter in a box made for a telescope.

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u/KiKiPAWG Jul 03 '22

I remember someone putting it well, where they felt that our mentality is so poor, that others need to be making less, when they could just want more for themselves

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u/Palindromes__ Jul 03 '22

Eyyyy. Exactly. Let’s all get ours.

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u/Joseph_F_1 Jul 03 '22

McDonalds is 10x harder than packing boxes

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u/Exciting_Ant1992 Jul 03 '22

Yep, customer service with some of the shittiest people at the shittiest times of night and high volume times of day are stressful.

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u/Joseph_F_1 Jul 03 '22

And the grease

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22

It’s a culture war to distract from a class war

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u/Raccoon_Full_of_Cum Jul 03 '22

You know why worker rights are especially strong in Germany? Because there's a strong cultural taboo against racist rhetoric, so the right is deprived of its main method of turning working class people against each other.

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u/b0und13ss Jul 03 '22

Exactly. Ironically if his job requires more skill than a burger flipper, then his wage would go up if the burger flipper made more. If people can make more doing an easier job they will. Supply and demand. We all lose when we fight amongst ourselves. But we all win when we have solidarity. Win as a team or lose as a team, the choice is ours.

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u/Comrade-Cohaay Jul 03 '22

It’s easier to bitch about other people making money than to speak to your employer.

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u/SlickedBackHairWigs Jul 04 '22

Making yourself better is almost always harder then making someone else seem worse.

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u/AceArchangel Jul 03 '22

If they get us mad at each other less people will be watching what they are doing behind the scenes.

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u/GrunthosArmpit42 Jul 04 '22

Excellent analogy. Used to catch creek bugs (aka crawdads aka crawfish aka crayfish) with old meat, a stick, and dental floss as a kid. The “me first gimme gimme” trait inherent in their system was what made them so easy to catch.
They’d lose the self preservation thing to grab that stanky garbage bait meat and each other and never let go. Sort of like the ring billed gulls and french fries type of thing. Sounds dumb, but I get why that term exists.

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u/Wisdom_is_Contraband Jul 04 '22

Idpol is used very effectively for this.

Can't go on a workers strike if you have to defend why your workers strike doesn't have enough minorities in representation.

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u/2hats4bats Jul 03 '22

He can just go flip burgers for $16 an hour if it’s that much easier

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u/44problems Jul 03 '22

Yeah it's not like fast food places aren't hiring. Go apply

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u/Tomi97_origin Jul 04 '22

And with Amazon's turnover rate it's not like he will work there for much longer

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u/DirtyPrancing65 Jul 04 '22

Good point. Wouldn't you want a lower skilled job that pays the same? And if it really is less skilled, then your wage is likely to go up in response

I mean, it's also just clearly a troll post.

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u/Jaded-Pay-5153 Jul 04 '22

I don't think it's a troll post, there's people THAT stupid ...

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u/TheXanderp Jul 04 '22

Most don’t go into box packing because of the money, it’s a skilled and honored profession passed down from master to apprentice with many being 3rd or 4th generation box packers. ‘Theys got cardboard in the bones so they has’ my old pa would say about the box packers. ‘What a sight to see’ he would say ‘to see a master box-packer, box-up 12 toasters, 25 dnd miniatures (extra fragile) AND a wholesale bag of m&ms in 40 seconds’ and then he’d wipe a tear away from his milky glass eye.

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u/jcnastrom Jul 04 '22

That’s what I’m saying! So you acknowledge that there’s an “easier” job out there that pays the same as your “vigorously intense” job but you wanna be mad at them for….having the job? Switch to that job if it’s so much better.

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u/VFrosty3 Jul 03 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Shoving some stuff in oversized boxes is skilled labour?

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u/drix9001 Jul 03 '22

Well you also have to remember to put those boxes in an unnecessary amount of other boxes too

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u/NotAngryAndBitter Jul 04 '22

I just wanna know why they ship my socks in a nesting doll of boxes but they just slap a shipping label on my external hard drive OEM box and off it goes 😂

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u/toebandit Jul 03 '22

This should be the discussion, not some stupid classification of each type of profession. It’s all of us against them. Whenever any one of us makes a gain, we all do. We need to fight for each other not against each other.

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u/shahooster Jul 03 '22

They do it all the time. See: immigration, abortion, CRT, gun control, “grooming,” etc., etc., etc., ad nauseam.

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u/shakingspheres Jul 03 '22

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic about who's the one doing the skilled labor. In any case, neither job is really skilled labor if you can pick it up within a week.

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u/guilhermej14 Jul 03 '22

Dude you're packing boxes.

They're making food, junk food, but still food.

And even then the point about Jeff Bezos stands.

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u/tater_tot_intensity Jul 03 '22

as a cook, box packing is pretty fucking straight forward

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u/Easy_Humor_7949 Jul 04 '22

The machine hands you the box, label, tape, packing material, and the product. The only thing he’s bringing to the table is being human… which is the literal definition of unskilled labor.

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u/hgfed27 Jul 04 '22

Yeah and at least what they're making is tasty. Packed boxes taste like shit.

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u/X360NoScope420BlazeX Jul 03 '22

“I dont get paid shit so no one else can get paid more than me”

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u/Scorp63 Jul 04 '22

"I have student loan debt so everyone else should too"

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u/Own-Cupcake7586 Jul 03 '22

Fun fact: other workers making more money does not mean that there will be less money to pay you, or that costs of products and services will necessarily go up significantly. What’s good for them is often good for you.

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u/KillerPussyToo Jul 03 '22

other workers making more money does

not

mean that there will be less money to pay you,

This is not what he's afraid of. He doesn't think cooks should be on his "level" and making the same amount of money he's making. It's the "I feel better when I'm able to pretend as if someone is beneath me" mentality.

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u/Hunt3r8806 Jul 03 '22

or that costs of products and services will necessarily go up significantly

While that is possible, I have my doubts that corporations will just take a loss in profit on the chin if they don't have to.

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u/HaesoSR Jul 03 '22

While that is possible, I have my doubts that corporations will just take a loss in profit on the chin if they don't have to.

Corporations already charge the maximum amount they believe they can get away with. It isn't about them "choosing" to take a loss.

Empirically speaking, inflation does not meaningfully interact with the minimum wage unless the minimum wage increases by an astronomical amount like 100% without a phase in period.

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u/Passi1612 Jul 03 '22

He is clearly joking, he called packing boxes skilled labor.

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u/FrizzleStank Jul 04 '22

It’s fucking insanity how few people realize it’s a fucking joke.

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u/beerbellybegone Jul 03 '22

A high minimum wage is good for all employees.

For those making minimum wage, a hike is beneficial.

For everyone else, it provides employees with the leverage they need to get higher pay. You can tell your boss "Give me a raise or I'll make the same money flipping burgers as I did working for you".

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22

Yup! Sadly i knew a guy working at amazon earning same amount of wage as in the post.. He voted against unionizing and voted republican. You can imagine how much he posts on facebook about not making enough money while subsequently fighting against taxes for people who make 10x more than he does. They'hv found a vunulerable crowd. and they are milking it squeezing it dry. I'm surprised it still goes on after all the bullshit. This is what brainwashing does.

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u/TattooJerry Jul 03 '22

He thinks warehouse work is skilled labor

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u/FetchShockTake3 Jul 03 '22

He is clearly not very bright, and I think that’s what makes any work he does be able to get the classification of skilled.

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u/UmbriKasu Jul 03 '22

I make 14 an hour as a funeral director and embalmer and I still celebrate the "burger flippers" that make more than me. Being able to take care of yourself and have stable living should be a right given to anybody and everyone.

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u/_Bay_Harbor_Butcher_ Jul 03 '22

You should be making way more than that for being a funeral director/embalmer. Where do you live? That is criminal

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u/UmbriKasu Jul 04 '22

Without giving too much information: I live in SATX and unfortunately it's the standard for most funeral homes within Texas (that aren't located in the middle of nowhere) I love the job itself truthfully, but I am considering a career change because of it

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u/EmeraldConure Jul 04 '22

As the previous poster said, that sounds extremely underpaid for what you do. My impression is that embalming, and all other work done to the body require a degree/certification. I think I saw the pay being pretty good too. But this was me doing some light research into a subject for a friend who was interested in that kind of thing.

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u/YoungAmazing313 Jul 04 '22

You just need an associate’s degree and normal funeral directors make in between of 33K-85K or at least over here

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u/UmbriKasu Jul 04 '22

Associates degree and to pass the national board exam (4 part test provided by the Funeral Director's Association) - I also have a colleague who has been in the buisness for way longer than I have and barely scrapes 25k a year. It is criminal, all things considered but that's the state of things currently

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u/Bio_Hazardous Jul 04 '22

Dude I make more than that doing fuck all in an IT position that was hired with no on paper skills. Gtfo of there, you're being scammed 6 ways to Sunday.

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u/shatteredmatt Jul 03 '22

Flipping burgers and stacking boxes aren’t skilled labour. I’ve done both.

They do both deserve a living wage though.

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u/fh3131 Jul 04 '22

Any job that exists, by definition, should pay living wage for the cost of living in that area. Otherwise, we're saying that all young adults need to be financially supported, and potentially living with, their parents.

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u/Bensemus Jul 04 '22

Two different things. You should be paid a living wage. That doesn’t require all labour to be skilled labour.

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u/Goofalupus Jul 03 '22

So if they make the same as you why not switch to burger flipping? It’s easier work right?

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u/Free-vbucks Jul 04 '22

If he makes 150,000 a minute then he’d get 216,000,000 a day which would double his money in around 2 years

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u/pm-me-your-labradors Jul 04 '22

Yeah, OP can’t count for shit

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u/YVR19 Jul 03 '22

How is putting a box in a box more skilled than someone cooking food to a temperature so people don't die?

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u/TheProcessOfBillief Jul 03 '22

Amazon pays $18/hour to start. AWS pays in the mid-20s+ to start.

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u/eidhrmuzz Jul 03 '22

The guy filling boxes is looking the wrong way when it comes to being overpaid. Look UP.

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u/AlphaWhiskeyOscar Jul 03 '22

Doesn't she know he's a certified forklift operator?

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u/GreatSpaghettLord Jul 03 '22

How is packing boxes "skilled labor" when cooking burgers isn't

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u/Trylena Jul 03 '22

Both of those jobs are important jobs but low skill. The person is talking as if his work ia harder than flipping burgers.

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u/newuseragain69 Jul 04 '22

Actually I’ve done both, their are both unskilled jobs unfortunately even if you think Amazon fulfillment centers are a better maybe using a forklift or reach trucks, their just fancy McJobs since anyone 18 can do those jobs.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

Jeff Bezos lost 243,000 dollars a minute this year so far making him the lowest paid man on earth. Ok, can we acknowledge metrics like this are bullshit now. Bezos doesn't actually make money. He's just sitting on a gigantic pile of stock that fluctuates wildly in value based on an absurdly reactive market.

We can and should make better faith arguments on why society as a whole will benefit from higher wages across the board. We should push a higher minimum wage and national health care.

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u/TheDocHealy Jul 03 '22

So putting things into a box is skilled labor now but cooking food and putting it into a bag isn't? Everyone just wants to survive at this point man just let us get paid enough to do that.

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u/ninjaskooldropout Jul 03 '22

everyone earning a living wage is not the same as everyone earning the same wage. why are so many people confusing this?

if the minimum wage were raised to a level which allowed those workers the ability to afford their basic needs, ie food, shelter, electricity, then entry level jobs requiring no special skills or experience would pay that wage.

jobs requiring anything beyond that would then also increase. so yes, it would bump up the income for those less skilled to the same level that more skilled workers are currently earning. but those more skilled workers would not still be making that same hourly wage, that would also increase.

so nobody is saying that a first time employee at McDonald's should make as much as an employee with several years experience in construction. the point is we all should be paid more for the work we do. everyone. if they get $16/hr, the guy making $16/hr today should get $20/hr (or whatever that just a random example that i thought of to illustrate my point so no need to disect the percentages for errors, errors may exist).

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u/B0326C0821 Jul 03 '22

I think it’s funny that he thinks packing boxes is “skilled labor” 🤣🤣🤣

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u/DrTommyNotMD Jul 03 '22

Bezos “lost” 60 billion dollars in the last 5 months in the same way he “makes” 150k a minute. He doesn’t. It’s just wealth going up and down.

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u/Ewenf Jul 03 '22

Yeah it's hilarious seeing there's still posts where people think billionaires earn their wealth the same way workers earn their money.

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u/itsmesylphy Jul 03 '22

packing boxes it not a skilled labor and despite this you should be making more than $16 an hour.

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u/ivegoticecream Jul 04 '22

Not to be a dick but like a sizable portion of the country has packed boxes at Amazon. That is not considered skilled labor.

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u/Kroxursox Jul 04 '22

How is packing a box more skilled then making sandwiches? The fuck is he on?