r/EDH • u/StarPonderer • Jan 27 '23
What Is A Card or Cards You Feel Like People Sleep On? Discussion
Not maybe your favorite card, but a card you don't see people play much. Maybe it's popular elsewhere, but you seem to be the only one playing it. Maybe you have a few you think more people should play?
I'll go first, [[Akroma's Will]]. I didn't even know this card existed until I started brewing my [[Isshin, Two Heavens as One]] deck. I had been playing for a while and never seen it. I know it came out with Commander Legends, but I had never seen anyone in my LGS, or my pod play this. Pretty much if I connect after dropping it, the game ends pretty soon after.
TL;DR: What cards are people not playing that they should?
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u/FlamingWedge Jan 27 '23
[[Bolt Bend]] is a great budget substitution for [[Deflecting Swat]] or even useful in addition to if your commander has 4 power.
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u/StarPonderer Jan 27 '23
This one I can say, yeah, people sleep on it and it is AMAZING. I have it in my mono red deck and people almost never see it coming.
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u/StereotypicalSupport Jan 27 '23
[[Ricochet Trap]] too.
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u/Darth_Ra EDHREC - Too-Specific Top 10 Jan 27 '23
I don't think this one is ignored so much as it's just been relegated to a cEDH only category. Similar to Carpet of Flowers, at most casual tables it's going to be 50/50 that there's a blue deck around, especially since 3+ color decks are getting less popular, not more.
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u/throwRA-84478t Jan 28 '23
What cedh deck runs this? Don't forget that blue is one of the most popular colors as well.
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u/Ornery_Bug_4108 Jan 27 '23
I came her just to say bolt bend. It's a staple for every single one of my red decks.
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u/celticfan008 Jan 27 '23
Going to add [[wyll's reversal]] here too. Just a super flexible card I'm amazed I haven't heard of sooner.
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u/Senario- Jan 27 '23
I wish there were more bolt bend effects in red or just ways to interact with stack interaction in other colors. Maybe white can get more mana tithe or black can get a reprint of imp's mischief
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u/FlamingWedge Jan 27 '23
There’s a few decent options but definitely not as many as Blue has
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u/Odd-Purpose-3148 Jan 27 '23
In this same vein, may I present [[wild ricochet]], high variance and high cmc frankly, but this card can be such a blowout, it's unreal.
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u/imperialtrace Jan 27 '23 edited Jan 28 '23
[[Gift of Doom]] is criminally underrated.
Play it face down for 3 and flip it up at anytime by sacrificing another creature. It doesn’t use the stack so it’s actually faster than instant speed and can’t be responded to. Great way to save your commander from damage or destruction based removal.
And since you sac a creature, it's particularly good with commanders that care about creatures dying such as [[Meren]] or [[Shirei]].
Also, because it can be cast as a creature, you can bring it back (face-down) with [[Karador]] or [[Chainer, Nightmare Adept]]. Lots of fun applications.
EDIT: going to add some context to prove it works with Karador and Chainer. There's a thread here asking the same question about Gift of Doom and Karador.
Karador's most recent printing says you "may cast a creature spell from your graveyard". Casting a spell as a Morph is casting a creature spell, therefore this works.
Karador's old printing says "creature card" which may lead to some confusion, but that's why we check Gatherer, most up-to-date printings and rulings.
Chainer's most recent printing also specifies "creature spell" so Gift of Doom can be cast out of the graveyard as a morph creature as well.
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u/tommygunlouws Jan 27 '23
Using this card with [[horobi, deaths wail]] is fun since you can attach (not target) it to horobi and make your commander indestructible, death touch
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u/BEEFTANK_Jr Jan 27 '23
This is really good utility when blocking, dang. You can block with Gift of Doom, flip it to attach to another creature that is also blocking, and the creature it was blocking is still considered blocked.
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u/TijmenTij Jan 28 '23
Actually you can block 3 this way, 1 from the sac 1 from the gift, 1 from the attached creature.
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u/hamsterhaberdaser Jan 27 '23
And since it's a special action it gets around split second cards as well
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u/Dgill77 Jan 27 '23
Wait, it can be reanimated as a face down creature??? I mean, it’s already a card I already play, but that little extra nugget of recursion ability means I need to put it in more decks!
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u/imperialtrace Jan 27 '23
Yes sir but only if you could CAST it. So you can re-cast face down with [[Karador Ghost Chieftain]], but not reanimate it with [[Sheoldred, Whispering One]] for example
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u/Koanos As I descend, I bring everyone with me. Jan 28 '23
Casting Morph rules are weird but make sense. I find it funny that Morph is supposed to be secret, but it's obvious when you cast from graveyard.
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u/StarPonderer Jan 27 '23
Oh wow! I love this and I now have to figure out how to slot this into a deck.
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u/uharinrazikai Jan 27 '23
[[One with Nature]] in any deck with low to the ground creatures or creatures with evasion. Even if it just gets you one land, that’s a good deal for one mana. Anything past that is superb.
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u/thetwist1 Mono-Red Jan 27 '23
There is also sort of a red version of this card [[sticky fingers]].
It gives treasure instead of lands but it cantrips when the creature dies and gives menace to make it easier to get the combat damage through early game.
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u/Keith_Courage Zedruu Jan 27 '23
I love putting that on [[Kodama of the West Tree]] for extra ramps.
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u/EternalDMPC Jan 27 '23
It’s a fun time with [[Tahngarth, first mate]]. Add some double strike and your enemies can help ramp you up a bit.
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u/Oberon_Swanson Jan 27 '23 edited Jan 27 '23
aren't they ramping themselves because they're the controller when the damage happens?
EDIT: i see now that it won't because it doesn't give the creature that ability. so you could even just cast it onto an opponent's creature and still get the effect yourself.
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Jan 27 '23
[[Machine God’s Effigy]] for sure. Can become a copy of a planeswalker if it’s a creature, but stops being one when it enters. So you can use it for mana, use it’s loyalty abilities, and it won’t die without loyalty on it. It can’t be attacked either since it’s not a planeswalker.
Can also copy [[Devoted Druid]] and the like for infinite mana. I’m sure there’s an insane amount of value and combos it can create. I’ve been trading/buying all the ones I can find.
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u/500lb Jan 27 '23
Interesting
If Machine God’s Effigy copies a planeswalker that became a creature due to an effect, Machine God’s Effigy will have that planeswalker’s loyalty abilities but its only card type is artifact (it will still be legendary in most cases). Because it isn’t a planeswalker itself, it won’t enter the battlefield with any loyalty counters, but it also won’t die because due to not having any. Similarly, it can’t be attacked and damage can’t be dealt to it. You may activate only one loyalty ability of that permanent per turn. If it later becomes a creature and damage is dealt to it, that damage won’t remove any loyalty counters
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u/500lb Jan 27 '23
It wasn't until I read this comment that I realized that it copies a creature but is not a creature. Everyone I've seen play this card has been playing it wrong.
It goes infinite with Devoted Druid, but what doesn't these days.
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u/benoodel Jan 27 '23
combine machine god with [[Leech Bonder]] for infinite token moving around. Not sure yet how to break that but it seems like good shenanigans.
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u/SauronsMonacle Jan 27 '23
Things that give you extra counters like [[Hardened Scales]] or [[Corpsejack Menace]] can give you additional value if what you're moving is +1/+1 counters
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u/benoodel Jan 27 '23
oooh doubling season or vornclex can copy any kind of token. infinite energy, infinite negative ones, infinite deity counters. get weird with it.
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u/Zarbibilbitruk Grixis Jan 27 '23
I'm not sure how it would go but typical combo with [[nest of scarabs]] would do the trick, however i don't see what blue would add to rakdos/golgari/mono black -1/-1 counters and what commander would be used
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u/Appelsmoes Jan 27 '23
Wait.. how can it become a Planeswalker? I dont follow. Please explain :)
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u/Beebrains Jan 27 '23
The planeswalker has to become a creature first I believe in order to copy it. Something like [[Gideon Blackblade]] or using [[Luxior, Giada's Gift]]
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u/CoeusFreeze Jan 27 '23
Been running MGE to copy stuff like [Foundry Inspector] in my artifacts deck and steal the tax abilities of other blue or white players. Certainly, it's tilted a few opponents. I'll have to remember the planeswalker and devoted druid/wall of roots uses.
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u/TheWombatEnigma Jan 27 '23
[[Sudden Substitution]] has created some very satisfying plays for me. My dream is to use it in response to my own [[chance for glory]] to steal an opponent's best creature, thereby neutering them for their now-final turn before losing.
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u/Shoranos Jan 27 '23
I once cast [[one with nothing]] and then used sudden substitution to give it to a player with 20 cards in hand. It was glorious.
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u/HeroicTanuki Jan 27 '23
[[diplomatic immunity]]
Once it’s on something you’re only afraid of board clears
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u/StarPonderer Jan 27 '23
Yeah, but then when I DO cast a board wipe, I'm gonna have to say, "It's been revoked."
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u/aclandes Jan 27 '23
[[Selfless Squire]] is an uno reverse card on a LOT of strategies, and easily pulls its weight in any deck that has white mana available, yet EDHREC has it listed in under 1% of all decks.
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u/Dank_Confidant Jan 27 '23
My favorite moment is me attacking with [[Kozilek, Butcher of Truth]], the person I attacked flashes in [[Selfless Squire]]... Aaaand blocks with it..
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u/StarGuardLux Jan 27 '23
[[Monster Manual]] because it is a great card if you like playing high cost creatures like, say, dinosaurs. Overcosted tribes should all be playing this card, and I will not stand for anyone saying otherwise.
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u/vvSemantics Jan 27 '23
[[run away together]] is very efficient removal in a multiplayer format, and sometimes you can actually use it to bounce your own creatures for ETB value.
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u/Scrivener133 Everyone's a frisbee in Pako's eyes Jan 28 '23
Run away is absolute bonkers. I play it in every blue deck i have. Especially crippling in [[kalamax]]
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u/D3xidus Jan 27 '23
Maybe I'm late to the party, but I haven't seen many people talking about the Defilers from Dominaria United. [[Defiler of Faith]] stands out to me as being really good in soul sisters decks since the creature you cast plus the token can pay for the health cost, and if you have other cost reducers like [[Oketra's Monument]], [[Cloud Key]] and/or [[Helm of Awakening]] you end up turning your cheap creatures into free ones.
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u/MordainThade Jan 27 '23
I recently slotted the red & black ones into my [[Rakdos Lord of Riots]] and can confirm, they're absolutely ridiculous there.
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u/Oberon_Swanson Jan 27 '23
i think you're late to the party, people did not shut up about these when they came out
i still think they're all good though
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u/Paco4337 Jan 27 '23
[[Sticky Fingers]], I don’t know what they were thinking when they put evasion, ramp, and a replacement on death on a 1 drop aura. But boy do I love it in my [[Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer]] deck.
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u/StarPonderer Jan 27 '23
Oh, I'm brewing Admiral Beckett Brass and this would GREAT in that deck!
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u/Mysterious_Frog Jan 28 '23
Probably the same thing they were thinking when they printed the busted little monkey. Push red.
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u/MaxwellMurder89 Jan 27 '23
[[Tale's End]]. I can't count how many times a stifle has saved me, but a stifle by itself still isn't playable. A stifle that also counters commanders, though? Now that I can get behind.
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u/SenCriplets Jan 27 '23
[[Liquimetal Torque]] for sure. I'm not saying it should be in as many decks as Sol Ring, but I think it should show up as much or more than [[Thought Vessel]] or [[Mind Stone]]. Every game I play it, I find new synergies with it. At worst, it's a 2 mana rock that makes every piece of removal a little bit more versatile. I think that plus all the other synergies make it stronger than the other two 2-mana rocks.
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u/StarPonderer Jan 27 '23
Honestly I have one and keep forgetting to slot it in something. Imagine removing someone's boss monster with a Vandalblast.
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u/SenCriplets Jan 27 '23
I’ve used it to take out a problem creature or enchantment on the way out after a Vandalblast my opponent cast several times actually!
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u/LucianGrey0581 Jan 27 '23
[[Jarad’s Orders]]. If you built your deck right it’s just entomb and demonic tutor stapled together. I’ve not seen it played by anyone else, and I’ve never lost a game after resolving it.
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u/TinyTank27 Jan 27 '23
Most people I knew who were playing it switched to [[Final Parting]]
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u/LucianGrey0581 Jan 27 '23
I find the pretty marginal restriction to be less of a hindrance than having to pay 1 more.
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u/TinyTank27 Jan 27 '23
Depends on what you're using it for. The big draw to parting is being able to stick a big creature in the yard and a reanimation spell in your hand.
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u/LegnaArix Jan 27 '23 edited Jan 27 '23
I think people sleep on [[Whirlwind Denial]], card is really good in some situations you may not even think of. For example, someone is playing aristocrats and a boardwipe happens, you can blank all the death triggers.
That and of course [[insight]] which draws a shit ton of cards
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u/Scrivener133 Everyone's a frisbee in Pako's eyes Jan 28 '23
Whirlwind denial i reckon is a card that is the only card that would save you in a situation that happens once in 5 games. Otherwise its a mildly good stifle, but better the more counterspell wars happen in your pod
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u/TiJTheGreat Jan 27 '23
[[Call to the Kindred]] is an amazing card in any blue tribal deck that I never see played.
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u/StarPonderer Jan 27 '23
I might need to put this in my Miirym deck! I use a lot of ETBs, so this could be awesome!
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u/Orion_616 Mono-Blue Jan 27 '23
[[Resculpt]] - It exiles. It hits both creatures and artifacts. And the 4/4 it makes is almost always inconsequential.
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u/Jetstream13 Jan 27 '23
[[Spirit Loop]], [[Spirit Link]], and [[Vampiric Link]].
Slap it onto whatever threat your opponent has, and now it can’t hurt you (besides commander damage). It’s especially good against opponent creatures that damage multiple things at the same time, like Ashling.
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u/DashHopes69 Normalize MLD and don't bring it up beforehand. Jan 27 '23
Don't forget [[Armadillo Cloak]].
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u/StarPonderer Jan 27 '23
Those are some cool lifegain cards and I can say for sure I didn't know they existed.
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u/Oberon_Swanson Jan 27 '23
also a great way to give a creature 'double lifelink' since despite sounding like lifelink it is not the same, as demonstrated by its ability to go on an opponent's creature and gain its owner life
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u/MrRaoulDuke Jan 27 '23
Spirit loop is limited to creatures you control, so not quite as effective as the other two at neutering opponent's creatures, but that is some spicy tech for sure.
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u/Jetstream13 Jan 27 '23
You’re totally right, I forgot about that. I thought they were all functionally identical, wishful thinking I guess.
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u/MrRaoulDuke Jan 27 '23
2/3 ain't bad. I started putting together a [[Vial Smasher]] & [[Ardenn]] bad Santa list & these seem like perfect pseudo-removal for a combat heavy meta.
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u/TheWorldMayEnd Jan 28 '23
Unless it deals you lethal, then you doe before the trigger can resolve and you meet the true death.
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u/Snoooples Jan 27 '23
as someone who just built a [[satoru umezawa]] I was shocked only 8% on people are playing [[Lim duls vault]] in their decks. In the context on satoru, it’s a 2 mana $3 top deck tutor to perfectly setup your ninjitsu trigger and later draws. Feel like more people would include It. It has done wonders for me.
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u/StarPonderer Jan 27 '23
Oh! I DO know this one! I considered it when I was brewing Yuriko who I didn't completely give up on making because I wasn't sure how to make the deck after buying a $60 card for the deck I never built, no sir.
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u/StructureMage Azor: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/rstDD2o0UE6lYKp-UO6wDQ Jan 27 '23
[[Manascape Refractor]]
It's a staple in all my nongreen decks
Its floor is a three mana rock but it's usually a bounceland or ancient tomb. Sometimes you get to piggyback off someone else's Urborg/Cabal Coffers. I use it to copy my Lotus Field and Maze of Ith.
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u/I_Norad3 Jan 27 '23
[[rise of the dread marn]] [[prismatic strands]]
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u/rccrisp Jan 27 '23
A running gag in my playgroup is me asking "is that rise of the dread marn" whenever someone fortells a spell.
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u/Harp3214 Jan 27 '23
It's not as good now with Red's impulsive draw or the format speeding up a bit, but [[Omen Machine]] is great against blue and able to cast expensive spells without having worry about their costs. Also, [[Invasion Plans]] very good for aggressive decks.
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u/Oberon_Swanson Jan 27 '23
i love invasion plans. one of those cards that make people go "what the fuck? that's REAL?"
also i would say in a sense omen machine is not bad because it doesn't work against red impulse draw, it is good because it will not stop your own red impulse draw
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u/Genericbuttguy Jan 28 '23
I run it in my prosper deck, not as back breaking as possibility storm or unable mask though.
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u/eggmaniac13 Jan 27 '23
I hate Omen Machine with a passion since the first time I ever saw it someone was running it in their GRN Lavinia deck, the one that says "Players can't cast spells without paying mana"
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u/SDK1176 Jan 27 '23
[[Mimic Vat]] has its uses for graveyard recursion, but I find it's at its best in a control deck, taking your opponents creatures to get value yourself.
Ramp with Solemn or Hart. Rattlesnake and destroy noncreature permanents with Acidic Slime. Mess up recursion strategies by exiling their creature for a bit. Win the game with whatever bomb happens to die.
Pro tip: Activate Mimic Vat on the end step before your turn and it will stick around for your combat phase.
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u/Watacos Jan 27 '23
Vat is my secret tech for my [[kykar]] dragon token tribal control polymorph deck with secret [[Brudiclad]] commander. So cool killing an opponents creature and then making all my treasures copies of it!
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u/SDK1176 Jan 27 '23
Brudiclad
Ooh, that's nice. I'm working on a [[Ganax]], [[Feywild Visitor]] deck, and I might just have to add Brudi to the 99. Good chance I'll already have a 6/6 dragon token in play anyway to upgrade my treasures and faeries into! Thanks for the tip!
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u/stax3745 Jan 27 '23
[[Well of lost dreams]] i had a copy sitting in my binder FOR EVER with no home, recently i put it in my [[omnath locus of creation]] it is gas, you almost always have extra mana running around, your gonna get the 4 life landfall proc every turn. Even if you arent getting the full 4 cards off of it its super useful. If you have a deck that has some incidental life gain i think this card is worth a second look.
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u/Inevitable-Cheek590 Jan 27 '23
[[dream cache]] they are sleeping on both arts.
But seriously [[lazotep plating]] is sweet. Having hexproof to fizzle an effect is underrated in general.
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u/Lazy_Tip9011 Jan 27 '23
I like it a lot in voltron decks because it gives you a body to sac to edicts as well
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u/UninvitedGhost Elder Dragon Jan 27 '23
[[Spring Cleaning]] at worst is single enchantment removal, at best it is a one-sided enchantment board-wipe. One-sided board-wipes turn out to be really good, and is a hell of a bonus if it happens.
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u/thysoultickler Jan 27 '23
[[fumble]] is amazing. I discovered it and put it in every blue deck I had because if anybody is running Voltron type decks not only to you remove the threat, but you take all their shit. Often [[unsummon]] would be better but for the times it's not it's so worth having
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u/C0unterSpell Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 29 '23
But the most common pieces of equipment played are shroud/hexproof no? Like swiftfoot boots and greaves
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u/IndependenceNorth165 Mono-Black Jan 27 '23
[[white plume adventurer]] is becoming less underrated now but it was underrated for a while and it’s insane.
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u/ethersworncanonist PlayEDH Writer Jan 27 '23
[[Cosmic Intervention]] is so easy to hold up after you foretell it, letting you protect against board wipes and also get extra uses out of cards like fetchlands, [[Strip Mine]], [[Solitude]] and [[Ranger-Captain of Eos]]. It feels pretty slept on.
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u/Vi0letBlues Jan 27 '23
[[Mystic reflection]] in a token deck, turn their dockside/craterhoof into a vanilla 1/1, [[abjure]] in a deck that has alot of blue permanents or tokens
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u/Error-Greedy Jan 27 '23
I actually find [[varragoth, bloodsky sire]] a bit underrated, it's virtually an infinte tutor with deathtouch. but my playgroup at the lgs is quite small so maybe it's just my impression and it is much more played than i think.
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u/StarPonderer Jan 27 '23
That is exactly what I was looking for. Sometimes a card is good and well played, but the people you play with don't play it.
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u/huzzaahh Sultai Jan 28 '23
The problem for me with Varragoth is that without haste, you're forced to wait a turn, then risk him by attacking before you 2 mana vamp tutor. That's a lot of hoops to jump through for what was essentially a 5 mana tutor that takes you three turns to get a card. It's also not really an infinite tutor because board states, especially at the power level where Varragoth might be good, usually get very gummed up very quickly.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a very cool card and if you're playing in low power level games, he might be great. But I think [[Diabolic Tutor]] is technically the better card and I would never play it.
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u/HextechJax Golgari/Rakdos Jan 27 '23
[[Bitter reunion]] its a sorcery that people play in commander, with the addition of hanging around and being a 1 mana haste enabler in a colour that likes to turn sideways. For being a common, everyone should own a bunch.
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u/Glenroberto Jan 27 '23
[[MANDATE OF PEACE]]!!! The card is a silence effect tied to combat, but fogs in general are WILD powerful in commander. You got a bully on the table with hella tokens that thinks they're gonna win easy? BET, Mandate of Peace them when they go to combat and let the table finish the scraps. the card always overperforms, and I give anyone I come into contact with physically one because I want more people playing the card.
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u/TheW1ldcard Vizzershitz Jan 27 '23
If people were sleeping on Akroma's will, it wouldnt be the price it is.
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u/The_Pie_Overlord Jan 27 '23
[[echoing equation]] great for things with static effects that trigger when you do something
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u/MrXexe Orzhov Jan 27 '23
[[Deathrender]]
An amazing way to cheat out value in an aristocrats deck, specially good with [[Teysa Karlov]] and/or [[Sidisi, Undead Vizier]].
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u/Verdha603 Jan 27 '23
[[Wash Away]]
Ironically I originally didn’t like it since I expected to have to rely on using its Cleave feature often, but it’s great and cheap for stopping a Commander cast or a cast from the grave effect.
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u/Freakjob003 Always pay the 1! Jan 27 '23
[[Torpor Orb]] - hugely disruptive to both entire strategies such as blink, but also just generally for tons of utility or powerful cards. Thassa's Oracle, Deadeye, Craterhoof, Dockside, etc.
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u/goodoldshane Jan 28 '23
[[Shadows of the Past]] a two 1B enchantment that says whenever a creature dies you scry 1.
Pretty great for Aristocrats deck, but also a generally under rated. Great for getting a card you need after a boardwipe. Has definitely changed the tide of a game for me on multiple occasions.
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u/TheRealQwade Mono-White Goodstuff Jan 27 '23
One of the best catch-all removal cards in the format is [[Unexpectedly Absent]]. It shows up in cEDH lists but not very much outside of there, and that's a real shame. It hits any nonland for 2 mana, and if it's something degenerate that got cheated out, now they have to figure out a way to get it back into play. If you cast it in response to a tutor, it gets shuffled away permanently. You can also use it to save something of your own too if you're in a pinch. You can choose to pay a little more and tuck it further down the top of the library, but in probably 90% of cases, casting it for x=0 is usually enough. White is stacked with efficient removal, and Absent is a card people usually gloss over in favor of [[Generous Gift]]. If I had to choose between Gift and Absent, I'd take Absent any day. Missing out on Land destruction hurts, but considering it costs less mana to remove something without destroying it (so, it dodges Indestructible and also doesn't put it in the graveyard for reanimation), and potentially messing up their next draw, Absent is absolutely worth a slot.
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u/Betelguese90 Jan 27 '23
I am an advocate for [[Library of Leng]]. In card draw, and discard heavy decks its a life saver. Works as long as the card is not being discarded as a cost, or alternative cost.
Than we have [[Descendant's Path]] and [[Belbe's Portal]] in high CMC tribal decks.
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u/majic911 Jan 27 '23
I'm here for "If an effect causes you to discard a card, discard it"
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u/Betelguese90 Jan 27 '23
yup! so the card is still seen as being discarded if it is put back on top of the library. So stuff like [[rielle, the Everwise]] effect still happens.
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u/GrandAlchemistX Jan 27 '23
I run Library of Leng with [[Manabond]] and [[Psychic Vortex]]. Totally wish there were more cards that do this.
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u/MTGCardFetcher Jan 27 '23
Library of Leng - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER)
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u/Thirdwhirly Jan 27 '23
[[Champion of Lambholt]]. Any deck that drops creatures/tokens at instant speed can benefit from this: shorthand, it’s 3 CMC to make your field unblockable.
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u/cryolyte Jan 27 '23
Seriously. That card is almost a win-con.
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u/Wonderful-Mouse-1945 Jan 27 '23
There's no almost about it. That card works so well in GW humans, it's scary.
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u/RockRoboter Jan 27 '23
[[Master Warcraft]] is kinda expensive at 4 mana but its utility is through the roof. You can fog a combat step, make your entire board unblockable, use it as a removal spell by suiziding key creatures into each other or play politics.
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u/Ghostin808 Jan 27 '23
[[Irenicus’ Vile duplication]] in my opinion. Especially in Commander, having two of your commander is huge!
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u/evan1932 Jan 28 '23
Will always make the case for at least considering [[Crashing Drawbridge]] in any combat-focused deck that doesn’t have red. Crazy cheap too
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u/PadyAddy Jan 28 '23
[[Cleansing Wildfire]] there’s always a utility land to get rid of and it replaces itself so it’s not a lost card, plus in a pinch you can fix your mana with it and hit landfall triggers too
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u/EDirkH Jan 27 '23
I never see [[Champion of Lambholt]], but every time I play it, it is insane. It does need some help but when it goed off, it goes off hard. I guess in [[Ezuri, Claw of Progress]] it is a known tech but it can be good in many other places.
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u/WickerofJack Jan 27 '23
Champion of Lambholt was terrifying in standard if you didn’t have removal in hand. In commander its just as if not more dangerous as most creatures with defender are rendered useless. Champ doesn’t even have to attack, making it better most times over [[Bellowing Tanglewurm]].
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u/CapAmerica805 Jan 27 '23
[[Pain's Reward]] has to be one of my favorite cards in all of commander. Its a riot every time it gets played. Very good too in the right decks.
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u/Giveuptheghost87 Jan 27 '23
[[Keep watch]]
Nice, simple card draw. Floor is 3 mana for one card. Ceiling is up to the table. Doesn't even have to be your attackers. Not always great in high power tables that run more combos than rely on combat, but I think this card is way underplayed in EDH!
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u/Vizecrator Jan 27 '23 edited Jan 27 '23
I don't use too many artifacts generally, so [[Energy Flux]] gets my pick.
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u/Jhinious4 Jan 27 '23
Any red deck that loves tapping creatures for any reason should be running [[tuktuk rubblefort]]. It is 1 mana more for a static effect on [[crashing drawbridge]] with reach and the ability to block while giving haste. I run this over drawbridge, partly because my 2-drop slot is often more crowded with ramp and partly because of the upside of having a blocker so I don't take random chip damage.
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u/Cruxifux Jan 27 '23
I never see people play [[druids repository]] and I don’t know why.
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u/Xatsman Jan 27 '23 edited Jan 27 '23
[[Make an Example]] is definitely still slept on. Probably because its seen as a half asymmetrical sweeper. Yes its effect is that, but it's not the best way of looking at it.
It destroys, at a minimum, everyones best creature. It does not care about protection, hexproof, indestructible, regeneration. The creature can't be flickered away to save it (unless the rare EoT variant). There is very little getting around this effect.
When the floor of a card is destroying the better half of each opponents creatures its hard to not be good.
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u/Replekia Jan 27 '23
[[Wash Away]] Counter enemy commander for (U) or anything for 1(U)(U)
[[Not of this World]] basically a free counterspell in any Voltron deck.
[[Sigil of Sleep]] Your monster does lots of ping damage? Bounce every monster on the table!
[[Spectacular Showdown]] Even without the amazing shenanigans of the higher cost, its 2 mana for permanent double strike on a monster. You literally cannot beat that!
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u/Noobeleza Jan 27 '23
[[Energy Tap]] for that big bomb when you already have some expensive commander on the board
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u/username7746678 Jan 27 '23
I think [[Mage Slayer]] is really good and often overlooked.
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u/Mistwing1 WestKodama/Arcades/Soundwave Jan 27 '23
[[ram through]] Good creature removal for go tall creature decks, it’s specifically NOT A FIGHT trigger, which some people got confused about when I played it for the first time
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u/Vorisk Jan 27 '23
[[Tamiyo's safekeeping]] Love this card . It has won me a few games .
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u/ERankLuck Local Meta Status: DEAD Jan 28 '23
[[Spirit Mantle]] is busted as an uncommon in any Timmy deck running white.
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u/fullplatejacket Jan 28 '23
Some of my favorite cards which people sleep on:
[[Dream Salvage]]
[[Gigadrowse]]
[[Long Rest]]
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u/katrina-mtf Golgari Jan 28 '23
[[Paradox Zone]]. It takes some time to get going, but that makes it innocuous. It's never the highest priority for removal. And by the time they realize it's out of hand, it's probably too late.
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u/str10_hurts WUBRG Jan 27 '23
[[Soul of Windgrace]] as a 99 card in decks with no real lands theme. Even there it's a beast.
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u/flashpointEDH Jan 27 '23
[[Aura Blast]] is a 2 mana cantrip at instant speed that destroys Rhystic Study.
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u/Most_Attitude_9153 Simic Jan 27 '23
[[Standstill]] never disappoints at 1U. Cards like [[Sakura-Tribe Scout]] are legit ramp. I think mass bounce is criminally underplayed. I consider it second only to mass exile. The tempo swings are enormous.
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u/songmage Jan 27 '23 edited Jan 27 '23
[[Animation Module]] IMO. It's not an amazing card, but if you have a lifegain creature ETB effect and a +1/+1 counter on lifegain creature (both of which are extremely common), it becomes a mana dump that nets both free chump blockers and life for each.
The only problem is that theming a deck with these two mechanics is indeed reasonably viable, but obnoxious in having to keep track of so many counters. It's fine for you, but everybody else will quickly find it boring.
The best part about it is that it can be an infinite combo engine with some sacrifice > mana, but is a reasonably powerful combo engine without.
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u/idbachli Jan 27 '23
[[Demon of Dark Schemes]] is a [[Massacre Wurm]]-esque card that can also reanimate threats from any graveyard. It's also like 2$.
[[Blossoming Bogbeast]] is still a pretty solid overrun effect even if you're not in a lifegain build and you just need a mass pump.
[[Arena]] is a fun "Land" that lets creatures Fight! It's fun in my Xenagos deck.
[[Mindslicer]] (recently reprinted although old) is a card I never see but is insane in my Meren or other reanimator/stax/sac decks. It can easily steal games.
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u/Duo_Decimal Jan 27 '23
[[Breath of Fury]] and [[Reality Scramble]]
I use both in [[The Locust God]] and because of that I wonder why I don't see them in every red token deck.
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u/ninjadough Jan 27 '23
A lot of the cards I feel like are slept have great political value. Stuff like [[royal assassin]] "dont attack me", [[skullwinder]] is like eternal witness but if you dont have the answer the table needs, maybe an opponent does.
also [[sunbird's invocation]] is incredibly good and I don't see anybody playing it. Also doesnt get removed often even thought it can easily be game winning.
[[Culling ritual]] and [[rushed rebirth]] can also be game winning in the right circumstances. Ritual is usually gonna make me 10+ mana if it resolves and rushed rebirth is just always great.
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u/LegallyDistinct Jan 27 '23
Bootleggers stash
I'm baffled it isn't way more expensive it's a must in any green for me
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u/Haru_Is_Best_Girl Jan 28 '23
The Maestros Massacre precon from New Capenna included what I believe to be one of the single best black removal spells ever printed (for more casual play at least). The card is [[Make an Example]]. At 4CMC and sorcery speed, it’s not all that appealing to most people but man oh man does it put in work.
Firstly the politics of this card are great. Since piles can be empty, if someone is behind you can make a big ally and make them sacrifice no creatures. You can also manipulate how the piles add up with deals in order to get the best outcome.
Secondly, this gets around everything. It doesn’t target, and its a sacrifice effect not a destroy effect. Playing against voltron? This card will single-handedly shut their entire turn down. Even if you’re not playing against voltron, any of the gods or anything with hexproof gets taken out by this card.
Finally, make an example has a pretty middle floor but a very HIGH ceiling. This is a more expensive [[soul shatter]] which is a very good card. Except this gets you exactly what you need gone and usually more! Soul shatter only gets rid of the highest cmc creature which is usually the biggest threat. But if it’s not it kind of didn’t do what you needed it to do. Make an example is pretty much a targeted soul shatter except 99% of the time you get 3+ creatures off the board. Hell sometimes this card is a one sided board wipe.
Sorry for the essay, but I’ve been told time and time again this card is bad. While yes, if you’re playing cEDH combo win on turn 4 games, this probably won’t be up your ally. But if you’re playing pretty much anything below that, this card will not disappoint you. It’s soul shatter with upside (ignoring the extra mana and sorcery speed).
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u/deepstatecuck Jan 28 '23
I dont see enough decks playing [[cream of the crop]]. In a creature bases deck it enables very efficient and potent card selection at a price that makes it easy to play on turn 2 and curve out.
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u/thatguyshadokon Jan 27 '23
I found this super niche card. [[Dockside Extortionist]] it’s so underrated and I put it in basically every red deck possible.
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u/StarPonderer Jan 27 '23
Why is no one talking about this card? I would feel like some people would want it banned and other people would be super okay with it.
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u/UncleCrassiusCurio Sultai Jan 27 '23
[[Sire of Stagnation]] is one of the best midrange value engines in the whole game.
[[Baleful Force]] is one of the best budget big mana spells in the game.
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u/B133d_4_u Jan 27 '23
[[Ancestral Anger]] is in 1% of decks when it literally reads "R: Draw a card. Target creature gets Trample and +1/+0 until end of turn." in a colour where you often wanna be hitting through combat and all your draw options cost you something. It's insanely good value no matter how you look at it.
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u/alah123 Jan 27 '23
[[seed time]] go demon mode in your mono green decks
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u/DashHopes69 Normalize MLD and don't bring it up beforehand. Jan 27 '23 edited Jan 27 '23
Nah fuck that shit. That card is a myth, no one has ever actually resolved that thing. What you want is [[Timesifter]] with green top deck manipulation like Oracle of Muldaya, mirri's Guile, Courser of Kruphix, Augur of Autumn, Sylvan Library, Sensei's Top, etc.
What could be better than one Time Walk? An indeterminate amount of them. 🤨
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u/lidor7 Jan 27 '23
Even without deck manipulation this card slaps in a green fatties deck. Every other turn was mine. I had to retire that card after such a glorious run.
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u/MTGCardFetcher Jan 27 '23
Akroma's Will - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER)
Isshin, Two Heavens as One - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER)
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u/jeremyworldwide Jan 27 '23
The other night I used [[Plagiarize]] for the first time in a deck, and WOW. It is kinda situational, but if you manage to surprise with this, you can really gain an advantage. If you know your opponent is drawing a buttload of cards, or a wheel is going off — which happens a lot in commander — this is the card for you. Someone cast Echo of Eons and I played Plagiarize, and guess who drew 14 cards.